RE: [WSG] Google 'Alexander Calder' theme [SEC=UNOFFICIAL]
UNOFFICIAL Interesting - I don't have access to Chrome at work - but in FireFox it moves slowly and gracefully and has a drop-shadow (missing in IE8) reflected below the search box - so they have taken some time to do some rather classy work Enid -Original Message- From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On Behalf Of grant_malcolm_bai...@westnet.com.au Sent: Friday, 22 July 2011 4:16 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: [WSG] Google 'Alexander Calder' theme Hello, Today's Google home page theme seems to be a very good example of progressive enhancement. The mobile graphic is non-interactive in IE7 but looks fine. In Chrome, however, the graphic swings about in response to mouse movements (as does its shadow, not present for IE7). Could anyone advise: (i) what technologies were used for this (canvas, etc.), and (ii) whether it is possible to save a working copy of the page locally in order to study its function (I've never had luck doing this with Google themes). Thank you and regards, Grant Bailey *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** UNOFFICIAL DISCLAIMER: If you have received this transmission in error please notify us immediately by return email and delete all copies. If this email or any attachments have been sent to you in error, that error does not constitute waiver of any confidentiality, privilege or copyright in respect of information in the email or attachments. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
[WSG] Google 'Alexander Calder' theme
Hello, Today's Google home page theme seems to be a very good example of progressive enhancement. The mobile graphic is non-interactive in IE7 but looks fine. In Chrome, however, the graphic swings about in response to mouse movements (as does its shadow, not present for IE7). Could anyone advise: (i) what technologies were used for this (canvas, etc.), and (ii) whether it is possible to save a working copy of the page locally in order to study its function (I've never had luck doing this with Google themes). Thank you and regards, Grant Bailey *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] Re-ask: z-index bug in webkit?
Strange, it works for me. > http://bit.ly/oyBzIY tee On Jul 21, 2011, at 10:27 PM, Birendra wrote: > Hi Tee > > The link isn't working. "http://bit.ly/oyBzIY"; > > Please can you check the link. > > Regards > Birendra > -Original Message- > From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On > Behalf Of tee > Sent: Friday, July 22, 2011 10:38 AM > To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org > Subject: [WSG] Re-ask: z-index bug in webkit? > > p/s: Please ignore my previous thread as it is a static page and the slide > images' links to my local server. > > I have never experienced z-index issue before in webkit browsers and this > one really got me. It's been two days still haven't been able to solve. > > Visit from Chorme or Safari, the slideshow has a transparent layer for > texts. I do believe the z-indx order is correct because it works for IE6/7. > > http://bit.ly/oyBzIY > > Thank you! > tee > *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
RE: [WSG] Re-ask: z-index bug in webkit?
Hi Tee The link isn't working. "http://bit.ly/oyBzIY"; Please can you check the link. Regards Birendra -Original Message- From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On Behalf Of tee Sent: Friday, July 22, 2011 10:38 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: [WSG] Re-ask: z-index bug in webkit? p/s: Please ignore my previous thread as it is a static page and the slide images' links to my local server. I have never experienced z-index issue before in webkit browsers and this one really got me. It's been two days still haven't been able to solve. Visit from Chorme or Safari, the slideshow has a transparent layer for texts. I do believe the z-indx order is correct because it works for IE6/7. http://bit.ly/oyBzIY Thank you! tee *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
[WSG] Re-ask: z-index bug in webkit?
p/s: Please ignore my previous thread as it is a static page and the slide images' links to my local server. I have never experienced z-index issue before in webkit browsers and this one really got me. It's been two days still haven't been able to solve. Visit from Chorme or Safari, the slideshow has a transparent layer for texts. I do believe the z-indx order is correct because it works for IE6/7. http://bit.ly/oyBzIY Thank you! tee *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] z-index bug in webkit?
http://bit.ly/nX5se0 On Jul 21, 2011, at 7:21 PM, Al Sparber wrote: > On 7/21/2011 10:10 PM, tee wrote: >> I have never experienced z-index issue before in webkit browsers and this >> one really got me. It's been two days still haven't been able to solve. >> >> Visit from Chorme or Safari, the slideshow has a transparent layer for >> texts. I do believe the z-indx order is correct because it works for IE6/7. >> >> http://bit.ly/qJoJcy > > Actually, it does not work well in any modern browser. Perhaps IE7 is its > sweet spot :-) > *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] z-index bug in webkit?
On 7/21/2011 10:10 PM, tee wrote: I have never experienced z-index issue before in webkit browsers and this one really got me. It's been two days still haven't been able to solve. Visit from Chorme or Safari, the slideshow has a transparent layer for texts. I do believe the z-indx order is correct because it works for IE6/7. http://bit.ly/qJoJcy Actually, it does not work well in any modern browser. Perhaps IE7 is its sweet spot :-) Looking at the page, I would say that z-index might be the least of your concerns. -- Al Sparber - PVII http://www.projectseven.com Menus | Galleries | Widgets For the Real World Since 1998 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
[WSG] z-index bug in webkit?
I have never experienced z-index issue before in webkit browsers and this one really got me. It's been two days still haven't been able to solve. Visit from Chorme or Safari, the slideshow has a transparent layer for texts. I do believe the z-indx order is correct because it works for IE6/7. http://bit.ly/qJoJcy Thank you! tee *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
[WSG] Re: WSG Digest
Hi!!! I do enjoy reading those emails, but really! isn't there any way to filter out the "out of office" autoreplies? These autoreplies are now quite standard and used more and more often. But do we care in the mailing list that someone in the list is out of the office? my two cents... Wilfrid Legoussouart [e] wlegoussou...@gmail.com On 22 July 2011 19:50, wrote: > * > WEB STANDARDS GROUP MAIL LIST DIGEST > * > > > From: "Julien Viard" > Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2011 16:49:26 -0700 > Subject: Out of Office Reply Re: WSG Digest > > Hello! > > I'm out of the office until Monday 15th August. > > I'll respond to all emails on my return. > > For more urgent assistance, please contact Georgie at > geor...@10collective.com.au or call the office on 03 9935 9409. > > Cheers, > Julien > > * > From: kirst...@ag.nsw.gov.au > Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2011 10:01:55 +1000 > Subject: AUTO: Kirsten Tilgals is out of the office (returning 08/08/2011) > > > > I am out of the office until 08/08/2011. > > Thanks for your message. If you are emailing from within the Art Galler > y of > NSW regarding the Gallery's website, please email 'Web Team'. Or you ca > n > contact Brooke Carson-Ewart broo...@ag.nsw.gov.au or Jonathan Cooper > jonath...@ag.nsw.gov.au directly > > > Note: This is an automated response to your message "WSG Digest" sent > on > 21/07/2011 7:48:41 PM. > > This is the only notification you will receive while this person is awa > y. > > > * > From: "Andy Dempster" > Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2011 20:02:43 -0400 > Subject: Out of Office AutoReply: WSG Digest > > I will be out of the office until Wednesday, July 27th. I will get back > to you then. > > > > > > > * > From: "Alan C. Whiteman" > Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2011 21:27:29 -0700 > Subject: Re: WSG Digest > > > > > On 07/21/2011 09:48 AM, wsg@webstandardsgroup.org wrote: > > * > > WEB STANDARDS GROUP MAIL LIST DIGEST > > * > > > > > > From: "Stevio" > > Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2011 16:45:33 +0100 > > Subject: Modal forms - what to call them? > > > > I am working on a CMS and within it, when a user wishes to add a record, > I > > give them two options: > > 1) Add record - this goes to a new web page with a form. > > 2) Add record modally - this brings up a modal dialog box containing the > > form which allows them to add the record without leaving the page they > were > > on (this page lists the current records). This uses jQuery. Once they add > > the record, the list of records is updated using AJAX. > > > > However, what user-friendly descriptive name should I use for the modal > > forms? I doubt many people know the word modal. Any suggestions? > > > > It would be laid out as follows: > > Add record (pop-up dialog box)? > > > > Clicking on 'Add record' takes the user to a new page, while clicking on > > 'pop-up dialog box' opens the modal form. > > > > However, I would like something shorter and simpler than 'pop-up dialog > > box'. Any thoughts? > > > > Thanks, > > Stephen > > > > > > * > > From: "Nixon David" > > Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2011 17:53:41 +0200 > > Subject: RE: [WSG] Modal forms - what to call them? > > > > I usually go with business activity - business function with my modal > > forms (SharePoint) > > e.g. Records - Declare a new record > > > > -Original Message- > > From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] > > On Behalf Of Stevio > > Sent: 20 July 2011 16:46 > > To: Web Standards Group > > Subject: [WSG] Modal forms - what to call them? > > > > I am working on a CMS and within it, when a user wishes to add a record, > > I give them two options: > > 1) Add record - this goes to a new web page with a form. > > 2) Add record modally - this brings up a modal dialog box containing the > > form which allows them to add the record without leaving the page they > > were on (this page lists the current records). This uses jQuery. Once > > they add the record, the list of records is updated using AJAX. > > > > However, what user-friendly descriptive name should I use for the modal > > forms? I doubt many people know the word modal. Any suggestions? > > > > It would be laid out as follows: > > Add record (pop-up dialog box)? > > > > Clicking on 'Add record' takes the user to a new page, while clicking on > > 'pop-up dialog box' opens the modal form. > > > > However, I would like something shorter and simpler than 'pop-up dialog > > box'. Any thoughts? > > > > Thanks, > > Stephen > > > > > > > > **
Re: [WSG] Modal forms - what to call them?
On Jul 21, 2011, at 3:18 AM, Stevio wrote: >> > > To the contrary, I think you strengthen my argument by highlighting the > differences. There are advantages to both the modal and non-modal facebook > implementation of images, and different users may prefer one over the other, > which is the point I was trying to make. It is not a perfect illustration of > what I am looking to do and I did not claim it was, so please do not over > examine the comparison. > > If a user choice is clear and makes sense, and is not confusing, then why not > give them that choice? My original intention was not to offer both choices > but I have come to realise as I have developed the system, that if both > options are implemented, then why not allow users to choose. They may prefer > to be working on a page that is non-modal and they can click on links like > home and have more workspace, or they may prefer to use a modal form to > quickly add a record. Let's not write off an idea just because it isn't the > way it's normally done. > > Thank you for your thoughts. Less is more really! Giving your user both choices just because they are both implemented isn't necessary a good choice. Overly consideration is bad consideration. You mentioned it's a CMS, so if there is a user account (e.g. admin area), why not create an option in the admin to allow your user to choose either one if you want to be considerate? Putting both choices on the front-end at all times is a bad choice, never mind your good intention. If there is no admin and you really must have it, perhaps use cookies to control the options, the first time a user visits the site, present both choices with an option for your user to choose one option, and please never bug your user who has already made the choice again unless he/she empties the cookies or switch computer or browsers. A well-designed site that take care of good interface and usability won't make user sometimes want to use this and sometimes prefer to use that. Facebook has the worse UI I ever seen: what kind of rude developer/web designer use [x] for delete, edit and post options and make it only hover? Every time I think about this I cringe. tee *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
[WSG] AUTO: Fran Sheppard/TGA/Health is out of the office. (returning 26/07/2011)
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[WSG] Out of Office AutoReply: WSG Digest
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Re: [WSG] Modal forms - what to call them?
- Original Message - From: "Patrick Horgan" Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2011 9:05 AM On 07/20/2011 09:43 AM, Stevio wrote: Take Facebook's current implementation of photos for example. A while back they introduced a modal viewing box for images. However, if you click F5 to refresh Firefox, you go back to the old style viewing of the image in it's own page. Often I do this because I prefer it, other times I persist with their viewing box. That's a really bad example, since that feature is user hostile, the F5 doesn't work in all browsers, and the same capabilities aren't available in both modes, for example with the popup much of the page is blocked and you can't click on links like home, and sometimes after browsing with the popup you get back where you were, and sometimes you don't. Please don't use it as an example. It makes you really wonder what problem they were trying to solve, and you should ask yourself the same. (Really page designers should always ask themselves that. It avoids doing something because it's a cool feature you learned about, but that makes things worse for users.) To the contrary, I think you strengthen my argument by highlighting the differences. There are advantages to both the modal and non-modal facebook implementation of images, and different users may prefer one over the other, which is the point I was trying to make. It is not a perfect illustration of what I am looking to do and I did not claim it was, so please do not over examine the comparison. If a user choice is clear and makes sense, and is not confusing, then why not give them that choice? My original intention was not to offer both choices but I have come to realise as I have developed the system, that if both options are implemented, then why not allow users to choose. They may prefer to be working on a page that is non-modal and they can click on links like home and have more workspace, or they may prefer to use a modal form to quickly add a record. Let's not write off an idea just because it isn't the way it's normally done. Thank you for your thoughts. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] Modal forms - what to call them?
On 07/20/2011 09:43 AM, Stevio wrote: > User choice basically. They may prefer to see more of a form in its > own page, or they may prefer to use a modal form to add the record. > > If JavaScript is disabled, the system still works fine with the > non-modal form option. > > Take Facebook's current implementation of photos for example. A while > back they introduced a modal viewing box for images. However, if you > click F5 to refresh Firefox, you go back to the old style viewing of > the image in it's own page. Often I do this because I prefer it, other > times I persist with their viewing box. That's a really bad example, since that feature is user hostile, the F5 doesn't work in all browsers, and the same capabilities aren't available in both modes, for example with the popup much of the page is blocked and you can't click on links like home, and sometimes after browsing with the popup you get back where you were, and sometimes you don't. Please don't use it as an example. It makes you really wonder what problem they were trying to solve, and you should ask yourself the same. (Really page designers should always ask themselves that. It avoids doing something because it's a cool feature you learned about, but that makes things worse for users.) Patrick *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***