[WSG] light box issue can you help
Good evening list,
i just received a mail from a member who has troubles mailing to the
list so he asked me to post his cry for help:
Hi Everyone,
This is my fist post but hope you can help
I have a light box running on this page
http://www.skyeshopfitters.com/clients.html It isn't running very smoothly
in IE8 and am getting the error below:
Webpage error details
User Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 8.0; Windows NT 6.0; Trident/4.0;
SLCC1; .NET CLR 2.0.50727; Media Center PC 5.0; InfoPath.2; .NET CLR
3.5.30729; FDM; .NET CLR 3.0.30729; Tablet PC 2.0)
Timestamp: Thu, 15 Jul 2010 14:34:49 UTC
Message: Array length must be assigned a finite positive number
Line: 464
Char: 5
Code: 0
URI: http://www.skyeshopfitters.com/js/prototype.js
Here is the code it is talking about:
shift: function() {
var result = this[0];
for (var i = 0; i < this.length - 1; i++)
this[i] = this[i + 1];
this.length--;
return result;
},
This is line 464 of the above code:
this[i] = this[i + 1];
Char 5:
T
Can anyone help
Thank You
Edward Deane
New2excel Logo copy
<http://www.2excel.com.au/> www.2excel.com.au
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Re: [WSG] Overflow hidden and floated divs
Good afternoon Stevio, It was foretold that on 15/07/2010 @ 16:11:50 GMT+0100 (which was 12:11:50 where I live) Stevio would write: S> However, if I add "overflow:hidden;" to the parent div, then the rightmost S> list item still jumps down, but now the box expands down the way, so it S> looks a lot better. S> My question is why does it do this? I have looked up what overflow hidden is S> meant to do and from what I read it sounds like the content should just get S> clipped at the right hand side and not be shown. Why is it causing the box S> to expand down the way? Because a float is removed from the flow. When you float a child, the parents’ height collapses to 0 unless you set a height or clear the float. The floats float out of the container. To make the parent encompass the float (e.g. when you want the parents background colour to extend) then you need to clear the float so that the parent encopasses the float. There are several ways to do that but the latest technique is to use the overflow:hidden technique (for other techniques, google 'containing floats'). This technique creates a new block formatting context [1] and forces the parent to acknowledge the floated children. Overflow:hidden will not work in IE6 but for that old beast you just have to give the parent "haslayout" [2] which can easily be tripped by supplying a dimension. [1] http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS2/visuren.html#block-formatting [2] http://reference.sitepoint.com/css/haslayout -- Regards, Luc _ http://www.dzinelabs.com Using the best e-mail client: The Bat! version 4.2.6 with Windows XP (build 2600), version 5.1 Service Pack 3 and using the best browser: Opera. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] Accessibility does not matter!
Good afternoon Jason, It was foretold that on 30/01/2010 @ 16:57:27 GMT+ (which was 14:57:27 where I live) Jason Grant would write: JG> @Luc Glad we agree. ;-) Just to make myself clear: i don't agree with your point of view: the quoted text was to illustrate the motive that one should be using accessibility. -- Regards, Luc _ http://www.dzinelabs.com Using the best e-mail client: The Bat! version 4.2.6 with Windows XP (build 2600), version 5.1 Service Pack 3 and using the best browser: Opera. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] Accessibility does not matter!
Also posted on your blog: "When accessibility matters: There are clear circumstances within which accessibility is incredibly relevant and should be implemented by all means possible. A company cares about their users, wanting to ensure a wide as possible accessibility in order to avoid customer complaints, negative feedback and generally increase their changes of higher profits by ensuring everyone can buy goods from their web site without problems Enough said i think :-)" -- Regards, Luc _ Using the best e-mail client: The Bat! version 4.2.6 with Windows XP (build 2600), version 5.1 Service Pack 3 and using the best browser: Opera. "You are richer today if you have laughed, given or forgiven." *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] character codes and accessibility
Hello John, JU> I might suggest that 'double right arrow' is purely presentational and JU> not 'semantically' relevant, so it's not such a good idea to muddy up JU> the HTML with extraneous code. If you want to avoid using a background JU> image you could write your CSS in a 'progressive enhancement' fashion JU> by using the :after property on the list items. Of course browsers JU> that don't understand that will not display the arrows. Yeah, i know that the :after property doesn't work on all browsers, that's why i've always used an image. JU> As regards the question what does a screen reader do? I'm afraid I've no idea. JU> I think this is best served with the image. One image in the CSS as JU> opposed to multiple character codes in the HTML. Yup, but a wanted to stray away from the tradional path ;-) What i was worried about is the way how screen readers would interprete it. Apart from the extraneous code, it would come in handy as font sizing let's those tiny images (in my case it's a bread crumb trail) be tiny on bigger font sizes -- Regards, Luc _ http://www.dzinelabs.com Using the best e-mail client: The Bat! version 4.2.6 with Windows XP (build 2600), version 5.1 Service Pack 3 and using the best browser: Opera. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
[WSG] character codes and accessibility
Good evening list, When you use a character code, e.g. » as a list marker (hardcoded in the li), how is that interpreted by a speech browser? Does the user hear those characters as they appear or are they converted into 'double right arrow'? Might be a stupid question but it would prevent using background images -- Regards, Luc _ Using the best e-mail client: The Bat! version 4.2.6 with Windows XP (build 2600), version 5.1 Service Pack 3 and using the best browser: Opera. Pussy Galore: "My name is Pussy Galore." - James Bond: "I must be dreaming." - Bond meets Pussy Galore - Goldfinger (film 1964) *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] opera 10 and access keys
Good evening Patrick, It was foretold that on 06/10/2009 @ 23:43:05 GMT+0100 (which was 19:43:05 where I live) Patrick H. Lauke would write: PHL> Works fine for me in Opera 10 final - Shift+Esc brings up the list of PHL> 2,3,4,5 and 6 Hmm, that's strange on my opera 10 final it doesn't. I get the pop up and when hovering over it, the text is shown as a tooltip but the actual list is white -- Regards, Luc _ http://www.dzinelabs.com Using the best e-mail client: The Bat! version 4.2.6 with Windows XP (build 2600), version 5.1 Service Pack 3 and using the best browser: Opera. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
[WSG] opera 10 and access keys
Good evening list, Does anybody know if Opera 10 has problems with access keys? The list pops up but just shows a blank window. test: http://www.dzinelabs.com/sandbox/New_site_layout/maxtest.html -- Regards, Luc _ http://www.dzinelabs.com Using the best e-mail client: The Bat! version 4.2.6 with Windows XP (build 2600), version 5.1 Service Pack 3 and using the best browser: Opera. "Diplomacy - the art of letting someone have your way." - attributed to Daniele Vare. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] Was: accessibility: government
Hello Shawn, It was foretold that on 26/08/2009 @ 19:45:38 GMT-0500 (which was 21:45:38 where I live) Shawn Henry would write: Tnx Shawn :-) SH> W3C WAI has a list of "Policies Relating to Web Accessibility" SH> for several countries at <http://www.w3.org/WAI/Policy/> Indeed, SH> it is out of date. It's on our To Do list to update and maintain SH> it, but just hasn't made it to top priority yet. SH> Many are adopting WCAG 2.0 Level AA as their standard. (WCAG is SH> introduced at <http://www.w3.org/WAI/intro/wcag>. -- Regards, Luc _ http://www.dzinelabs.com Using the best e-mail client: The Bat! version 4.2.6 with Windows XP (build 2600), version 5.1 Service Pack 3 and using the best browser: Opera. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
[WSG] Was: accessibility: government
Good evening list, Many thanks for the replies. Indeed, i was looking for a general list but as Steve pointed out, this would be difficult to maintain due to governments switching. -- Regards, Luc _ http://www.dzinelabs.com Using the best e-mail client: The Bat! version 4.2.6 with Windows XP (build 2600), version 5.1 Service Pack 3 and using the best browser: Opera. "Seen it all, done it all, can't remember most of it." *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
[WSG] accessibility: government
Good afternoon list, Does anybody know if their exists a list of what is required in terms of accessibility features for each country (governments)? -- Regards, Luc _ http://www.dzinelabs.com Using the best e-mail client: The Bat! version 4.2.6 with Windows XP (build 2600), version 5.1 Service Pack 3 and using the best browser: Opera. "Xerox never comes up with anything original." *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
[WSG] skiplink messes up tabindex order IE6
Hello list, I just implemented a skiplink but it messes up the tabindex order of my nav in IE6. Anybody has a clue what could be the culprit? http://www.dzinelabs.com/sandbox/GrupoMP/Pages/home1.html Css embedded. The relevant css is the last part of the styles. What's going on is the following: i need to tab 5 times to get to the link with tabindex 2. Upon tab number 10 i get to tabindex 6. Tab number 10 brings me to the skiplink. -- Regards, Luc _ http://www.dzinelabs.com Using the best e-mail client: The Bat! version 4.2.6 with Windows XP (build 2600), version 5.1 Service Pack 3 and using the best browser: Opera. "I’m all for bringing back the birch, but only between consenting adults." - Gore Vidal (1925) - US author *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] Class Discusion: Centering a Fixed Width Layout
Good evening [EMAIL PROTECTED],
It was foretold that on 20-6-2005 @ 13:32:14 GMT-0500 (CDT) (which was
20:32:14 where I live) [EMAIL PROTECTED] would write:
swc> However, there is one
swc> declaration that suggests using "margin: 0 auto" in the body rule, which
swc> supposedly center-aligns the webpage in the browser. However, testing
swc> reveals that it left-aligns the page, but placing this declaration in a
swc> container or wrapper works.
This explanation might help:
Wrap the page's contents within a
'wrapper' div e.g. 450 pixels wide:
body {
text-align : center;
min-width : 450px;
}
#wrapper {
position : relative;
text-align : left;
width : 450px;
margin-left : auto;
margin-right : auto;
}
MSIE 5 doesn't center based on auto left/right margins, but
text-align:center does center top-level divs, so you set the body with
text-align: center;.
To prevent negative (i.e. inaccessible) left-margins in narrow browser
windows (like Mozilla),you need to specify a min-width for the body as
wide as the wrapper itself. Hence the min-width: 450px;
To reset the alignment after the text-align:center on the body, you
specify text-align: left; on the wrapper. The auto margins will center
the element in the containing (body) tag.
It's the method i use.
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Re: [WSG] Access Key question
Hello tee, It was foretold that on 7-4-2005 @ 16:50:48 GMT-0700 (which was 1:50:48 where I live) tee would write: t> By the way, are you the same Luc I recently known? Yes, the one and only ;-) t> How do you pronounce your name if I may ask. For native english speakers it's hard to pronounce. The closest is "Luke". -- Best regards, Luc _ http://www.dzinelabs.com Need a website? http://www.w-orx.com Powered by The Bat! version 3.0.1.33 with Windows 2000 (build 2195), version 5.0 Service Pack 4 and using the best browser: Opera. "The only place success comes before work is in the dictionary." - Donald Kendall ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help **
Re: [WSG] Access Key question
Good evening tee, It was foretold that on 6-4-2005 @ 12:35:59 GMT-0700 (which was 21:35:59 where I live) tee would write: t> I'd read a couple of blogs regarding the access keys, although opinion are t> spitted, I decided to implement access keys on my sites. Maybe you should reconsider: http://www.wats.ca/articles/thefutureofaccesskeys/66 http://www.wats.ca/articles/accesskeyconflicts/37 http://www.wats.ca/articles/accesskeys/19 -- Best regards, Luc _ http://www.dzinelabs.com Need a website? http://www.w-orx.com Powered by The Bat! version 3.0.1.33 with Windows 2000 (build 2195), version 5.0 Service Pack 4 and using the best browser: Opera. "It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt." - Abraham Lincoln ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help **
Re: [WSG] Question on tabindex
Good afternoon Derek, It was foretold that on 21-7-2004 @ 23:30:54 GMT-0400 (which was 5:30:54 where I live) Derek Featherstone would write: DF> Hi Luc -- I'd suggest you might want to just forego the tabindex completely. DF> http://www.wats.ca/articles/keyboardusageandtabindex/62 DF> for a few more details and some test results... Tnx Derek. A very useful article :-) Saves me a lot of work ! -- Best regards, Luc _ http://www.dzinelabs.com Need a website? http://www.w-orx.com Powered by The Bat! version 2.11 with Windows 2000 (build 2195), version 5.0 Service Pack 4 and using the best browser: Opera. "A Flatterer is a man that tells you your opinion and not his own." * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help *
[WSG] Question on tabindex
Hello list, I'm redoing my site and have following lay-out: two columns, footer inside main column, content inside main column. The second (right) column is used to provide additional links to various stuff. The main horizontal nav is on top of the columns. Now, what is the best order of the tabindex? Starting with the main nav and ending with the footer links seems obvious, but should the order in between be: content, right column or right column and content? To visualize it: http://www.dzinelabs.com/projects/NewDzine/newdzine.php -- Best regards, Luc http://www.dzinelabs.com Need a website? http://www.w-orx.com Powered by The Bat! version 2.11 with Windows 2000 (build 2195), version 5.0 Service Pack 4 and using the best browser: Opera. "When you set yourself on fire, people love to come and see you burn" - John Wesley. * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help *
Re: [WSG] IE & ABBR tag
Hello Ian, It was foretold that on 21-6-2004 @ 17:26:04 GMT-0700 (which was 2:26:04 where I live) Ian Main would write: IM> IE windows doesn't support . IM> Here is a couple of ways to solve the issue. Thanks Ian. You gotta love IE. -- Best regards, Luc _ http://www.dzinelabs.com Powered by The Bat! version 2.11 with Windows 2000 (build 2195), version 5.0 Service Pack 4 and using the best browser: Opera. "Hegel was right when he said that we learn from history that man can never learn anything from history." (George Bernard Shaw) * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help *
[WSG] IE & ABBR tag
Hello list, Somehow my abbr tag doesn't seem to work in IE. Is it my system or is there really something wrong? http://www.dzinelabs.com/projects/newdzine.php -- Best regards, Luc http://www.dzinelabs.com Powered by The Bat! version 2.11 with Windows 2000 (build 2195), version 5.0 Service Pack 4 and using the best browser: Opera. "As long as you can laugh at yourself you will never cease to be amused." * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help *
[WSG] WAS: css and accessibility question
Good evening list, Tnx to all who have answered. I'm a bit clear on it now :-) -- Best regards, Luc http://www.dzinelabs.com Powered by The Bat! version 1.63 Beta/7 with Windows 2000 (build 2195), version 5.0 Service Pack 4 and using the best browser: Opera. "Dieting is wishful shrinking." * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help *
[WSG] css and accessibility question
Good evening list, My understanding is that an image _always_ needs a description for accessibility purposes, even if the image is there for decorative purposes and adds no important information to the page. Now, somebody told me that, if the image is there purely for decorative purposes and adds no important information to the page, it doesn't need a description and putting it in CSS as background image makes sense. However, if the image needs a description, it should be in the html because it is content. If you do put it in the css and give a title to the div, it is wrong use of css. Is this correct and am i wrong? In the (odd) case i'm right, is there some spec that states that an image always needs a description? -- Best regards, Luc http://www.dzinelabs.com Powered by The Bat! version 1.63 Beta/7 with Windows 2000 (build 2195), version 5.0 Service Pack 4 and using the best browser: Opera. "Observe your enemies for they first find out your faults." * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help *
Re: [WSG] hiding clear:both ?
Good evening Vaska,
It was foretold that on 2-4-2004 @ 15:31:23 GMT+0200 (which was
15:31:23 where I live) Vaska . WSG would write:
VW> But the sticky part is that I don't want it to add the extra line
VW> space. I'm not sure of the best way to do this.
Have you tried this:
.cl {
clear: both;
height: 0;
margin: 0;
line-height: 0;
font-size: 1px; /* keeps IE6 from applying extra space below */
}
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Re: [WSG] What do you think?
Good evening russ, It was foretold that on 30-3-2004 @ 23:43:07 GMT+1000 (which was 15:43:07 where I live) russ weakley would write: rw> So, it should not be TOO hard to convert your nav system into a list. All rw> you have to do is overcome the default behaviour of the list first. This is rw> achieved by a few rules like: rw> Once you take out these browser default behaviours you can rework your own rw> rules and you are away. And there is always this that will get you the needed info: http://css.maxdesign.com.au/listutorial/index.htm (russ, note my reply template ;-) ) -- Best regards, Luc _ http://www.dzinelabs.com Powered by The Bat! version 1.63 Beta/7 with Windows 2000 (build 2195), version 5.0 Service Pack 4 and using the best browser: Opera. "Food is an important part of a balanced diet." - Fran Lebowitz. * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help *
Re: [WSG] Somewhat frustrated
Good evening Jeremy, It was foretold that on 29-3-2004 @ 14:10:01 GMT-0600 (which was 22:10:01 where I live) Jeremy Flint would mumble: JF> sure. why not. Thanks Jeremy. You described what i was thinking but couldn't get the words right :-) -- Best regards, Luc _ http://www.dzinelabs.com Powered by The Bat! version 1.63 Beta/7 with Windows 2000 (build 2195), version 5.0 Service Pack 4 and using the best browser: Opera. "Diplomacy - the art of letting someone have your way." - attributed to Daniele Vare. * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help *
Re: [WSG] Somewhat frustrated
Good evening Jeremy, It was foretold that on 29-3-2004 @ 12:29:47 GMT-0600 (which was 20:29:47 where I live) Jeremy Flint would mumble: JF> BTW, even with tables, sites will look differently on different JF> browsers. You speak of having to use hacks to get CSS to render JF> correctly in all browsers. I think using a spacer.gif would be JF> considered a hack. Tables display just as differently as CSS can. JF> Different browsers sometimes handle table heights and widths JF> differently. Some may measure cellpadding or spacing differently. Jeremy, can i steal this comment to use it for my blog? -- Best regards, Luc _ http://www.dzinelabs.com Powered by The Bat! version 1.63 Beta/7 with Windows 2000 (build 2195), version 5.0 Service Pack 4 and using the best browser: Opera. "I have great faith in fools - my friends call it self-confidence." - Edgar Allan Poe. * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help *
Re: [WSG] Opera 7 problem with horizontal nav list
Hello Leo, It was foretold that on 23-3-2004 @ 17:57:46 GMT-0500 (which was 23:57:46 where I live) Leo J. O'Campo would mumble: LJOC> Can anyone here point me towards a good resource article on using IE's LJOC> conditional comments? http://www.virtuelvis.com/archives/158.html -- Best regards, Luc _ http://www.dzinelabs.com Powered by The Bat! version 1.63 Beta/7 with Windows 2000 (build 2195), version 5.0 Service Pack 4 and using the best browser: Opera. "Relax - otherwise you might die all tensed up ." * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help *
Re: [WSG] Opera 7 problem with horizontal nav list
Good afternoon Gyrus, It was foretold that on 23-3-2004 @ 14:33:46 GMT+ (which was 15:33:46 where I live) Gyrus would mumble: G> Yeah, it's all inline now. I was just making a general comment there about G> the fact that display:block/float screws Opera but display:inline screws G> IE5.0/Win. In the end I've plumped for the one that screws IE5.0/Win Unfortunately i don't have IE5 on my system to play around a bit. But, maybe you could solve it with a conditional comment so that IE5 gets your floats? -- Best regards, Luc _ http://www.dzinelabs.com Powered by The Bat! version 1.63 Beta/7 with Windows 2000 (build 2195), version 5.0 Service Pack 4 and using the best browser: Opera. "People talk about "dysfunctional" families; I've never seen any other kind." - Sue Grafton. * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help *
Re: [WSG] Opera 7 problem with horizontal nav list
Good afternoon Gyrus, It was foretold that on 23-3-2004 @ 02:47:56 GMT+ (which was 3:47:56 where I live) Gyrus would mumble: G> Thanks, I'd forgotten about inline whitespace. It works OK in Opera G> now, but all padding is lost in IE5.0/Win. Was to quick on my previous post: have you tried using margin instead of padding? Or adding a position:relative to let IE5 behave? Just still guessing... -- Best regards, Luc _ http://www.dzinelabs.com Powered by The Bat! version 1.63 Beta/7 with Windows 2000 (build 2195), version 5.0 Service Pack 4 and using the best browser: Opera. "Conscience is the voice of the soul; the passions are the voice of the body." - J. J. Rousseau. * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help *
Re: [WSG] Opera 7 problem with horizontal nav list
Good afternoon Gyrus, It was foretold that on 23-3-2004 @ 02:47:56 GMT+ (which was 3:47:56 where I live) Gyrus would mumble: G> It's a shame if floated s all stack up in Opera but inline s lose G> padding in IE5.0. Ah well... Just a quick guess, but have you removed the display:block? -- Best regards, Luc _ http://www.dzinelabs.com Powered by The Bat! version 1.63 Beta/7 with Windows 2000 (build 2195), version 5.0 Service Pack 4 and using the best browser: Opera. "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho Marx (1895-1977) - US comedian * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help *
Re: [WSG] Opera 7 problem with horizontal nav list
Good afternoon Gyrus, It was foretold that on 22-3-2004 @ 14:54:34 GMT+ (which was 15:54:34 where I live) Gyrus would mumble: G> This made the borders I applied to not work properly, What is "working not properly"? G> - In IE5.0/Win, the padding doesn't apply to the the Sorry, IE5.0 is something i'm no expert in G> - In all browsers I've looked at, there's a bit of space between each , G> with the background showing through (I want the s flush against each other) If i understand it correctly, you have white space between your li. You can get them flush with a negative margin-right. Now, about the borders, without knowing what the problem is, maybe my example could help you out: http://www.dzinelabs.com/Pages/horizontal_nav.php -- Best regards, Luc _ http://www.dzinelabs.com Powered by The Bat! version 1.63 Beta/7 with Windows 2000 (build 2195), version 5.0 Service Pack 4 and using the best browser: Opera. "You can tell who are beginners in love by the fact they just can't give up." - Kim Basinger - US actress. * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help *
Re: [WSG] Opera 7 problem with horizontal nav list
Hello Gyrus, It was foretold that on 22-3-2004 @ 00:01:50 GMT+ (which was 1:01:50 where I live) Gyrus would mumble: G> I'm floating the elements left, Do they have to be floated? Why not using display:inline? That way the li are forced onto 1 line. Maybe this helps you: http://css.maxdesign.com.au/listutorial/index.htm tutorial 4. That's how i make my horizontal nav's. And they do work in Opera. HTH -- Best regards, Luc _ http://www.dzinelabs.com Powered by The Bat! version 1.63 Beta/7 with Windows 2000 (build 2195), version 5.0 Service Pack 4 and using the best browser: Opera. "Do you know why God withheld the sense of humour from women? That we may love you instead of laughing at you." - Mrs. Patrick Campbell (1865-1940) - British actress * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help *
Re: [WSG] Opera
Hello Universal, It was foretold that on 18-2-2004 @ 08:44:44 GMT+1100 (which was 22:44:44 where I live) Universal Head would mumble: UH> does anyone really think that getting things spot on for UH> Opera is important? Hasn't this browser got a miniscule user base? And UH> Opera seems to give me almost as many problems as IE anyway. Opera adheres far more to the W3C specs then IE does. If you use the css according to the specs, it's easy to have your page look right in Opera. Normally, one has to use hacks, tricks,... to let IE behave accordingly. The right thing to do is set your css and test in Opera and then look what's wrong in IE. You then "tweak" your css so IE get's it right. If you just code for IE and then try to make it look the same way in Opera you're basically starting with wrong css rules and that's much harder to clean up. One tiny example is the fact that each browser has "margins" by default on the body element. Opera uses for the "margin" a padding of 8px while IE uses margin indeed. Opera uses the padding instead of margin because of a W3R recommendation. So to overcome the problem, you set a padding:0 and margin:0 to the body element to let the browsers start from the same point. Now, if one only wants the page to look "good" in IE and doesn't bother if the css is used accordingly to the W3S specs, then it's simple ;-) But if one decides to go on that road, it's a real problem when IE adheres more to the specs in future versions -:) So, to sum up: if one cares to use the css correctly, code for Opera (or moz for that matter) first and then bother with IE. -- Best regards, Luc _ http://www.dzinelabs.com Powered by The Bat! version 1.63 Beta/7 with Windows 2000 (build 2195), version 5.0 Service Pack 4 and using the best browser: Opera. "Those who dream by day are cognizant of many things which escape those who dream only by night." - Edgar Allan Poe * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ *
Re: [WSG] Why cant i see the bullets?
Good afternoon Jackie, It was foretold that on 17-2-2004 @ 11:25:25 GMT+1000 (which was 2:25:25 where I live) Jackie Reid would mumble: JR> what do you know that works... JR> brilliant ...thanks so much...I'm happy now. ;o) Glad it helped :-) Using list-style-type: is not always a very good idea, i always use a background image for a marker. That gives you the ability to position it better and works better x-browser. -- Best regards, Luc _ http://www.dzinelabs.com Powered by The Bat! version 1.63 Beta/7 with Windows 2000 (build 2195), version 5.0 Service Pack 4 and using the best browser: Opera. "Beauty lies in the hands of the beer holder." * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ *
Re: [WSG] Why cant i see the bullets?
Hello Jackie,
It was foretold that on 17-2-2004 @ 10:39:10 GMT+1000 (which was
1:39:10 where I live) Jackie Reid would mumble:
JR> unfortunately didn't seem to fix it any other ideas?
ul {
list-style-type: disc;
list-style-position:inside;
margin-top: 6px;
width: 60%;}
That should do it (tested it localy, not online though)
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Re: [WSG] Need help with navbar in Opera 7.11 please
Good evening David, It was foretold that on 16-2-2004 @ 08:44:57 GMT+1100 (which was 22:44:57 where I live) David McDonald would mumble: DM> Make sure all floats have a width - Opera is particularly demanding about DM> this. Not demanding, just implementing the specs how they should be: "A floated box must have an explicit width" as per spec: http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-CSS2/visuren.html#floats ;-) -- Best regards, Luc _ http://www.dzinelabs.com Powered by The Bat! version 1.63 Beta/7 with Windows 2000 (build 2195), version 5.0 Service Pack 4 and using the best browser: Opera. "You have not really failed or been defeated unless you believe it." * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ *
Re: [WSG] CSS toolkit
Good evening Carl, It was foretold that on 16-2-2004 @ 13:09:38 GMT-0500 (which was 19:09:38 where I live) Carl Reynolds would mumble: CR> I was not aware that there are toolkits for checking CSS. The official one and free: http://jigsaw.w3.org/css-validator/ -- Best regards, Luc _ http://www.dzinelabs.com Powered by The Bat! version 1.63 Beta/7 with Windows 2000 (build 2195), version 5.0 Service Pack 4 and using the best browser: Opera. "Xerox never comes up with anything original." * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ *
Re: [WSG] Image floating question
Good evening James, It was foretold that on 5-2-2004 @ 14:34:33 GMT+1100 (which was 4:34:33 where I live) James Cowperthwaite would mumble: JC> The right image now slides over the top of the left instead of breaking and going onto a JC> new line. JC> Maybe not the best way to do it though... any thoughts? There is no way to use pure css for what you want i'm afraid. You could use the underscore hack as i said but that will not validate your css sheet. So you can also use an IE proprietary expression [1) or JS [2] You can use the min-width in your main css sheet for decent browsers and use a sheet for crappy IE with the expression and feed it to IE with a conditional comment in your source code. You could also place a fix-width div inside the main div to force it to be at least the width you need, but then you're hacking the markup in a way that affects all browsers, rather than creating one invalid rule for one invalid browser, which can easily be dropped later if IE "ever" shapes up. [1] http://www.svendtofte.com/code/max_width_in_ie/ (2] http://www.doxdesk.com/software/js/minmax.html -- Best regards, Luc _ http://www.dzinelabs.com Powered by The Bat! version 1.63 Beta/7 with Windows 2000 (build 2195), version 5.0 Service Pack 4 and using the best browser: Opera. "Happiness is an imaginary condition, formerly often attributed by the living to the dead, now usually attributed by adults to children." - Thomas Szasz (1920-) - US psychiatrist * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ *
Re: [WSG] Image floating question
Good afternoon James, It was foretold that on 4-2-2004 @ 15:28:41 GMT+1100 (which was 5:28:41 where I live) James Cowperthwaite would mumble: JC> With two images, one floated left and the right, is there any way to JC> force the page scroll horizontally instead of the right image dropping JC> underneath the left when the width of the browser window becomes less JC> than the combined widths of the images? I have the same problem James. You could use the underscore hack, but that doesn't validate, although it's according to css 2.1. Using the min-width will not work in IE (oh wonder!). You could place a fix-width div inside the main div to force it to be at least that wide i guess. -- Best regards, Luc _ http://www.dzinelabs.com Powered by The Bat! version 1.63 Beta/7 with Windows 2000 (build 2195), version 5.0 Service Pack 4 and using the best browser: Opera. "The motor-car will help solve the congestion of traffic." - A. J. Balfour, c.1910. * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ *
Re: [WSG] Opera bug?
Hello Chris, It was foretold that on 2-2-2004 @ 12:55:01 GMT+1100 (which was 2:55:01 where I live) Chris Stratford would mumble: CS> When I use anchors like that I use:: Yeah, that's the traditional way i know, but in this case using CSS i noticed that it works in most browsers except Opera so i thought if it was a bug or something else :-) -- Best regards, Luc _ http://www.dzinelabs.com Powered by The Bat! version 1.63 Beta/7 with Windows 2000 (build 2195), version 5.0 Service Pack 4 and using the best browser: Opera. "Im all for bringing back the birch, but only between consenting adults." - Gore Vidal (1925) - US author * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ *
Re: [WSG] Opera bug?
Hello scott, It was foretold that on 2-2-2004 @ 11:37:58 GMT+1100 (which was 1:37:58 where I live) scott parsons would mumble: sp> Actually I've been working on something very similar as well, and it also sp> didn't seem to work on safari 1.0 As i'm told it works on these: Moz 1.6, NN 7.1, IE 6, Safari (the last one i don't know what build) sp> When I was testing opera jumped to the top of the page, but also moved the sp> text in the overflowed div to the right point, did you get this behaviour? Nope, thankfully not. Version 7.23 Build 3227 -- Best regards, Luc _ http://www.dzinelabs.com Powered by The Bat! version 1.63 Beta/7 with Windows 2000 (build 2195), version 5.0 Service Pack 4 and using the best browser: Opera. "For all the advances in medicine, there is still no cure for the common birthday." - John Herschel Glenn * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ *
Re: [WSG] Opera bug?
Hello James, It was foretold that on 2-2-2004 @ 11:29:23 GMT+1100 (which was 1:29:23 where I live) James Silva would mumble: JS> Are you using the generic "#top" or are you pointing the link to JS> an actual named anchor? It points at #mnhd wich is the ID for the first heading in the page: Welcome the pointing: Sorry if i can't provide an online example :-( -- Best regards, Luc _ http://www.dzinelabs.com Powered by The Bat! version 1.63 Beta/7 with Windows 2000 (build 2195), version 5.0 Service Pack 4 and using the best browser: Opera. "So you're a feminist...Isn't that cute." * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ *
[WSG] Opera bug?
Hello list, A div, set with overflow: auto has a "go to top" link in it. It works on most browsers, only Opera 7.2 leads you to the top of the page, not to the top of the div. According to Opera, overflow is fully supported, so is this a bug that anybody knows? -- Best regards, Luc http://www.dzinelabs.com Powered by The Bat! version 1.63 Beta/7 with Windows 2000 (build 2195), version 5.0 Service Pack 4 and using the best browser: Opera. "Never accept a drink from a urologist." - Kevin Michael Reed. * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ *
[WSG] WAS: centering block in IE5 problem
Good evening list, My problem is solved, i'm glad to say: i used : text-align:center; voice-family: "\"}\""; voice-family:inherit; text-align:left; on the body element and that did the trick :-) -- Best regards, Luc http://www.dzinelabs.com Powered by The Bat! version 1.63 Beta/7 with Windows 2000 (build 2195), version 5.0 Service Pack 4 and using the best browser: Opera. "Smash forehead on keyboard to continue." * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ *
Re: [WSG] centering block in IE5 problem
Hello messagecare->james, It was foretold that on 1-2-2004 @ 11:13:58 GMT+1100 (which was 1:13:58 where I live) messagecare->james would mumble: mj> Generally if you want a block centred horizontally in a container, set mj> the margin to 0,auto and the containing block text-align to center; (for mj> IE5). mj> From your example you want the two column red text to be centered, text mj> align to left and the green nav aligned to left in the viewport, mj> text-align left. mj> In this case you would do: I haven't tested it yet, but does that solve my problem that the wrapper is centered in IE5? As i understand it, IE5 needs the text-align: center in the containing, which is for wrapper the body element (if i don't use outer wrapper). The CB used to be the body with a text-align:center but that placed the nav (which is outside the wrapper) center while i want it flush to the left. Using position or margins did brake the layout in IE6: the wrapper went to the top of the page and adding a top margin cured that in Opera and Moz but not in IE6. So i used the outer wrapper as the CB but the two hacks i used for IE5 didn't seem to have any effect [1] & [2]. Am i using the wrong hack to just feed the text-align: center to IE5? [1] http://www.dzinelabs.com/test/copy_of_copy_of_template_mogul.htm [2] http://www.dzinelabs.com/test/copy_of_copy_of_copy_of_template_mogul.htm -- Best regards, Luc _ http://www.dzinelabs.com Powered by The Bat! version 1.63 Beta/7 with Windows 2000 (build 2195), version 5.0 Service Pack 4 and using the best browser: Opera. "An expert is someone who knows some of the worst mistakes that can be made in his subject, and how to avoid them." - Werner Heisenberg (1901-1976) - physicist * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ *
[WSG] centering block in IE5 problem
Hello list, I just subscribed here and enjoyed reading the posts a lot! Now i want to put my problem in your capable hands: I made a test page where the content is wrapped in a #wrapper. This is centered using the "fixed width, auto margins" technique. Now, to let that work in IE5 and IE5.X, the CB has to be set to text-align: center. In this case the CB is the body element, and because i have my nav outside the #wrapper, setting text-align: center on the body element lets IE centre the nav, while i want it flush to the left. Removing text-align: center on the body let's IE6 behave normal but causes issues with IE5. [1] To resolve this i came up with 3 things: putting an #outerwrapper around #wrapper with text-align: center [2]. As i'm told, this does the trick in IE5. But because i wanted to avoid nested divs, i tried using a hack to feed the text-align: centre on the body element to IE5 only. [3] & [4]. But these don't work as i'm told. Am i going wrong around this, or is method [1] the best? CSS embedded. Don't mind the header, the logo is just some place filling at the moment. [1] http://www.dzinelabs.com/test/template_mogul.htm [2] http://www.dzinelabs.com/test/copy_of_template_mogul.htm [3] http://www.dzinelabs.com/test/copy_of_copy_of_template_mogul.htm [4] http://www.dzinelabs.com/test/copy_of_copy_of_copy_of_template_mogul.htm -- Best regards, Luc http://www.dzinelabs.com Powered by The Bat! version 1.63 Beta/7 with Windows 2000 (build 2195), version 5.0 Service Pack 4 and using the best browser: Opera. "If you want your dreams to come true, don't sleep." -Yiddish Proverb. * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ *
