Re: [WSG] First stab at html5
On Fri, Jan 1, 2010 at 11:26 AM, designer wrote: > > Hi Dwain, > > The doctype for html5 is > > > and it is there. I can't see any missing tag here. Look at the > source code (obtained from the online version in FF3.5.6 'view source') : > > > > ?? Over to you! > > i haven't looked at the html5 doc yet. i'm used to different doctype. sorry for the intrusion. dwain -- "Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." Benjamin Franklin *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] First stab at html5
On Fri, Jan 1, 2010 at 6:50 AM, designer wrote: > However, the Flash page - are you using an HTML5 validator? It validates > just fine. > you're right. but there is no doctype and an end style tag with no starting style tag. does html5 do away with doctypes and validates without both opening and closing tags? dwain -- "Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." Benjamin Franklin *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] First stab at html5
On Fri, Jan 1, 2010 at 3:53 AM, designer wrote: > > - Original Message - From: "Chris F.A. Johnson" < > ch...@cfajohnson.com> > > > >> On Thu, 31 Dec 2009, designer wrote: >> >> @Chris - I've set a white background, so I hope your yellow one has gone >>> now! >>> >> >> It's still yellow. >> >> -- >> Chris F.A. Johnson, webmaster <http://woodbine-gerrard.com> >> >> > I really don't know why it's yellow to you. Anyone else see this? > > Bob > > i see white. could be a video card issue. dwain -- "Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." Benjamin Franklin *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] First stab at html5
On Thu, Dec 31, 2009 at 4:07 AM, designer wrote: > If any of you guys are around at this time, I'd be really grateful if you > could have a look at: > > http://www.betasite.fsnet.co.uk/gam/altgam/gwelanmor.html > > > (http://www.betasite.fsnet.co.uk/gam/flash/flashpage.html) > > > All comments gratefully received. > it seems that you need to validate your pages. the sheltie page: the group of shelties disappear after a second. when you click on the galleries the pictures are partly visible. lots-o-errors. flashpage: is the swoosh noise necessary? i find it annoying. the type is difficult to read over the pictures. there is no doctype and you have a closing style tag with no opening style tag. cheers, dwain -- "Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." Benjamin Franklin *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] I.E Navigation help
On Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 4:24 AM, Jerome Carpen wrote: > hey guys, > > > > Have got the following navigation to work in firefox, safari, chrome, opera > and the such, but not IE. > > In IE, the links do not go inline but scale left to right in a step manner. > > > > Any ideas of what i'm missing? > > > > ==HTML > > try this. > > > >Link1 >Link2 >Link3 >Link4 > > > > cheers, dwain -- "Fear of the devil is one way of doubting God. " - Kahlil Gibran *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
[WSG] i need someone to modify a wordpress template
i need someone to modify a wordpress template to match my web site. http://www.studiokdd.com/ please contact me off list at kdd at studiokdd(dot)com thanks, dwain alford -- "Fear of the devil is one way of doubting God. " - Kahlil Gibran *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] Re: More than one H1?
On Mon, Oct 19, 2009 at 2:32 PM, tee wrote: > Do you include a second H1 on the page too? No? >> > A bit arrogant question. Guess you think people who use h1 for logo don't > know anything about semantic markup :) > > tee, thry this on for size. from the w3c html elements about what an h1 reference is. http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/struct/global.html#edef-H1 cheers, dwain -- "Fear of the devil is one way of doubting God. " - Kahlil Gibran *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] or CSS3 Border Background
On Sat, Aug 8, 2009 at 9:05 PM, Bushidodeep wrote: > Hi, > > After reading the following article, I ask which is more semantic, using > the element with a background or using the CSS3 border background > property? > > C > > > < > http://www.smashingmagazine.com/2008/09/09/the-hr-contest-results-download-your-fresh-hr-line-now/ > > > > > > the way i see it, is if you are separating content, then use the element. i ran across this question when updating my site and got positive response for the because i was separating content from other portions of the page. consider your borders if someone surfs with css turned off. in fact, consider your design gone with css turned off. cheers, dwain -- "Fear of the devil is one way of doubting God. " - Kahlil Gibran *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] Usability in Links
On Sun, Jul 19, 2009 at 7:07 AM, Stuart Foulstone wrote: > The link color scheme seems OK from a color-blindness accessibility angle, > see: > > > http://vischeck.com/vischeck/vischeckURL.php?origUrl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.familyhomelessness.org%2F&simUrl=uploads%2F124800363616183&sensorType=tritanope > > using the color contrast analyzer from visionaustraila.org, the link color scheme does not pass muster. vischeck is still a work in progress and does not check the color contrast of web pages. it shows what an image will look like to a person with a particular type of color-blindness; so, again, it does not give the contrast for readability. vischeck is for images, cca is for determining the color contrast of web pages. cheers, dwain -- "Fear of the devil is one way of doubting God. " - Kahlil Gibran *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] Usability in Links
On Sat, Jul 18, 2009 at 5:09 PM, Bushidodeep wrote: > Hi, > > Following is a link to the site in question. > > <http://www.familyhomelessness.org/> > > > the way the links are currently set when i hover over the blue link that is next to an orange link things get a bit confusing when the two links meld in color. i also checked the color contrast on the links and they do not fair well for visitors with color blindness. you might want to talk with your client about this issue, if you feel that it is important enough to address. also, the pointers on the links on the left of the page made me think that a fly-out menu was available. not a critical issue, but could also cause some confusion. cheers, dwain -- "Fear of the devil is one way of doubting God. " - Kahlil Gibran *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
[WSG] blocking out of office replies [OT?]
is there a way to block out of office replies from the list. this has been discussed before and it seems that the request has been ignored. cheers, dwain -- "Fear of the devil is one way of doubting God. " - Kahlil Gibran *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] SEO - how to upgrade my skills?
On Mon, May 11, 2009 at 12:49 AM, Mike Kear wrote: > So I’m asking for your advice…What’s the best way for me to update SEO > skills? > > > > > here's a place to start and the classes are free to boot: http://www.gnc-web-creations.com/seo-optimization.htm cheers, dwain -- "Fear of the devil is one way of doubting God. " - Kahlil Gibran *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] standards matter - an informationweek article
On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 8:20 AM, Nancy Johnson wrote: > Do you have a link to the information week story? > > Nancy > here's the link: http://www.informationweek.com/news/infrastructure/management/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=216600011 cheers, dwain -- "Fear of the devil is one way of doubting God. " - Kahlil Gibran *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
[WSG] standards matter - an informationweek article
in the april 20th issue of informationweek there is an article about standards. the title of the article is "standards matter - we all want interoperability, but are you willing to take vendors to task for breaking faith?". it was a good industry-wide account of the standards problem. web designers got a paragraph and i thought i would share it with the list. "another high-profile standards failure is browser support for html and cascading style sheets. designers who don't know -- or don't care -- about the implications of proprietary extensions to html spew out web sites that work only in internet explorer for windows." i hope that this article gains some serious thought in upper, middle and lower management to insist on industry standards so that in our neck of the woods, the web will become a nicer place to navigate. we all know that browser manufacturers are trying to keep up with the latest developments, but it's the folks in the trenches, like us doing the work, that need the guidance into a better more compliant internet experience. just my $0.02. cheers, dwain -- "Fear of the devil is one way of doubting God. " - Kahlil Gibran *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] recommendation for wai validator again
> It's for PC. I need a Mac version though :) sorry. i either forgot or didn't know you worked on a mac. then i'm lost unless you go look on source forge. -- "Fear of the devil is one way of doubting God. " - Kahlil Gibran *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] recommendation for wai validator again
> Anyone know other validator that does the job? > > thanks! > > tee try this one. http://www.alphaworks.ibm.com/tech/adesigner/download cheers, dwain "Fear of the devil is one way of doubting God. " - Kahlil Gibran *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Best format for accessible equations
On Sun, Sep 21, 2008 at 9:47 PM, Andrew Ivin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'm wondering the best way of giving these graphics alt attributes - > both for web browsers and screen readers. don't forget to give a long description along with the alt info. http://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG10/#gl-provide-equivalents see guideline #1, check point 1.1 dwain -- "Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." Benjamin Franklin *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
[WSG] paypal shopping cart and valid code
has anyone experienced invalid code with paypal's shopping cart? if you did have validation problems was it easy to fix and still get to the cart? i'm getting ready to implement it on my site and this has me a bit concerned. -- "Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." Benjamin Franklin *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] best practices for using access keys
On Sat, Sep 6, 2008 at 1:55 AM, Ben Buchanan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Before you add accesskeys, check out > http://www.wcagsamurai.org/errata/errata.html#GL9 hoo hah, that's some pretty heavy stuff. what an eye opener. i guess i've done about all i can do except for a skip nav to content link. i've used all the accessibility tools at my disposal and i seem to be in compliance. i guess you can't cover all of the accessibility bases for everybody, but you can be as accessible as you can be. thanks for the great read. cheers, dwain -- "Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." Benjamin Franklin *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] best practices for using access keys
On Fri, Sep 5, 2008 at 11:39 PM, Thierry Koblentz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > http://tjkdesign.com/articles/user_defined_accesskeys.asp thanks thierry, i know this will be a good one. cheers, dwain -- "Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." Benjamin Franklin *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] best practices for using access keys
On Fri, Sep 5, 2008 at 9:35 PM, Gonzalo González Mora <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Fri, Sep 5, 2008 at 11:25 PM, dwain <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi Dwain, > You might find this article interesting: > http://www.rnib.org.uk/wacblog/articles/too-much-accessibility/too-too-much-accessibility-accesskeys/ > Make sure you read the comments, theres' some really good info there. thanks gonzalo, i'll give it a read. cheers, dwain -- "Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." Benjamin Franklin *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
[WSG] best practices for using access keys
i've read the following two articles and i would entertain some feedback on using access keys. i'm slowly bringing my web site up to better accessibility standards and i have a few more things to do like add a skip nav link and access keys. any other articles and resources would be appreciated for both subjects. http://www.alistapart.com/articles/accesskeys/ http://www.sitepoint.com/article/accesskeys/ cheers, dwain -- "Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." Benjamin Franklin *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] DocType Given is... Document Looks Like...
cole, i get the same thing in the ff html validator. copied and pasted the w3c doc type into my document. must be a bug or something. as long as your document validates through the online validator, i wouldn't worry about it. it's in the format the w3c recommends. cheers, dwain On Wed, Sep 3, 2008 at 11:47 PM, Cole Kuryakin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hello all – > > I've got the following doctype at the head of each of my pages: > > "http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-strict.dtd";> > > http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml"; xml:lang="en" lang="en"> > > I take great pains to validate everything I do on every page, but, even if > the page shows as valid (using FF's HTML Validator extension – or Web > Developer extension… I can't remember which) when I view source on a "valid" > page, I always get an info box that states: > > Info: Doctype given is "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Strict//EN" > > Info: Document content looks like XHTML 1.0 Transitional > > I don't think that this is – by any means – any reason for me to be worried > about my code/structure/et. al, but I've always wondered why, if I feed a > xhtml 1.0 STRICT doc type why the validator always says that my stuff looks > TRANSITIONAL? > > Am I doing something wrong? > > Any insight would be appreciated. > > Cole > > *** > List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm > Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm > Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > *** -- "Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." Benjamin Franklin *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] multiple background images
On 8/30/08, Michael Horowitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I think I'm narrowing down where my problem is. > > I have multiple background images. The main one is the body tag and then I > have div's with a different body tag. > It appears there are issues with this within div's. Any ideas on this i've got multiple background images on my web site in the header. one floated left and one floated right and i have no problems with them. maybe it's somewhere else? dwain -- "Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." Benjamin Franklin *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] ibm's adesigner says....
On 8/29/08, Drew Trusz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > In a sense the longdesc is functionally the equivalent of the old "d" > link. The specs define a longdesc as: > > This attribute specifies a link to a long description of the image. > This description should supplement the short description provided > using the alt attribute. When the image has an associated image map, > this attribute should provide information about the image map's > contents. This is particularly important for server-side image maps. > Since an IMG element may be within the content of an A element, the > user agent's mechanism in the user interface for accessing the > "longdesc" resource of the former must be different than the mechanism > for accessing the href resource of the latter. > http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/struct/objects.html#adef-longdesc-IMG > > Hence it appears not as text but as a link in the example found in the specs: >alt="HP Labs Site Map" > longdesc="sitemap.html"> > > I suppose you could be very careful about the length of an alt > description and try to fit the material in that. thanks for your comment drew. i have my long description formatted as you have written above. maybe it's time for ibm to update adesigner. cheers, dwain -- "Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." Benjamin Franklin *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
[WSG] ibm's adesigner says....
i've been working on the accessibility of a page. i have added longdesc inside the tag with the page where the information is found. according to what i've read the "d" link is deprecated. adesigner says that i need the "d" link in addition to the longdesc. i feel that i can safely ignore the errors since the "d" link is deprecated. any thoughts on the matter? here's the page: http://www.studiokdd.com/pages/abstract-christian-art-new-testament.html -- "Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." Benjamin Franklin *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] what you write is what you see [OT?]
On 8/4/08, kate <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Dwain said: it looked just like it does on a computer. > > What did you expect Dwain..lolol i really didn't know what to expect, that's why it was such a surprise. i don't know, maybe i expected the css not to work and the page would display would display as xhtml without the css. like i said, i had never seen my web site or any other web site on a mobile device. dwain -- "Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." Benjamin Franklin *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
[WSG] what you write is what you see [OT?]
my cousin is visiting from oregon and he has the new at&t iphone. we looked at my web site on it and i must say that i was really surprised. it looked just like it does on a computer. the xhtml and css validate. i used no special css for mobile devices. i'm sure that i have a semantically correct document. this was a big surprise for me. this was the first time i had seen my web site on a cell phone. it was very exciting. i hope that other mobile devices follow suit of the new iphone so coding for developers will be simple, quick and easy and no multiple style sheets for computers and mobile devices. dwain -- "Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." Benjamin Franklin *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] hoot of the day - ADMIN - THREAD CLOSED
sorry, i thought it went somewhere else. my humblest apologies. dwain On 7/8/08, russ - maxdesign <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > ADMIN - THREAD CLOSED > > Please refrain from these type of posts to the list as they are DEFINITELY > non-Web Standards related. > > If unclear, please read the guidelines: > http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm > > If you have an issue with this, please do not discuss it on the list - email > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Thanks > Russ > > > > > > *** > List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm > Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm > Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > *** > > -- "Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." Benjamin Franklin *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
[WSG] hoot of the day
a long time a go a friend of mine told me this and i thought i would share it with you. you can always spot an evangelist. he thinks that juh-hee-zus is a three syllable word. have a nice day! dwain -- "Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." Benjamin Franklin *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] web optimization
why not take this free class and learn more about web optimization. i did and it served me well. http://www.gnc-web-creations.com/seo-optimization.htm cheers, dwain On 7/7/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > Hi masters… > > > > I would like to know more about web optimization. What are the things to > check to make sure that the page loads faster. > > > > > > Thanking you > > Naveen Bhaskar > > > *** > List Guidelines: > http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm > Unsubscribe: > http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm > Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > *** -- "Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." Benjamin Franklin *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Scaling a background image
this is true. On 6/30/08, Matijs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > SVG is not really suitable for photos though. > > On Mon, Jun 30, 2008 at 7:24 PM, dwain <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > it seems that it used to, but the browser rendering has changed. i > > read, not too closely, in the svg specs how to edit the files to make > > it fit "infinite" screen resolutions. > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Jun 30, 2008 at 12:05 PM, Joseph Ortenzi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I would have though a simple CSS width:100%; , height:auto might do it? > > > does it need to be a background and will it conflict with anything > > > at different sizes? > > > ? > > > On Jun 30, 2008, at 05:15, dwain wrote: > > > > > > On 6/29/08, Chris Pearce <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >> > > >> Hi, > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> Has anyone been able to successfully scale a CSS background image to > the > > >> current window size? I've done some research via Google and it appears > this > > >> can't be done purely with CSS (at least not yet), maybe some > JavaScript? > > > > > > there is a way to do it by using svg images, but i'm unclear on the > > > process. i think that the svg files has to be edited for the images to > > > scale to a screen's resolution. but anyway, svg is the wave of the > future > > > for web images. > > > cheers, > > > dwain > > > > > > > > > -- > > > dwain alford > > > "The artist may use any form which his expression demands; > > > for his inner impulse must find suitable expression." Kandinsky > > > > *** > > > List Guidelines: > http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm > > > Unsubscribe: > http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm > > > Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > *** > > > > > > == > > > Joe Ortenzi > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > http://www.typingthevoid.com > > > > > > > > > > *** > > > List Guidelines: > http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm > > > Unsubscribe: > http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm > > > Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > *** > > > > > > > > -- > > dwain alford > > "The artist may use any form which his expression demands; > > for his inner impulse must find suitable expression." Kandinsky > > > > > > > *** > > List Guidelines: > http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm > > Unsubscribe: > http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm > > Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > *** > > > > > > > *** > List Guidelines: > http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm > Unsubscribe: > http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm > Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > *** -- dwain alford "The artist may use any form which his expression demands; for his inner impulse must find suitable expression." Kandinsky *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Scaling a background image
it seems that it used to, but the browser rendering has changed. i read, not too closely, in the svg specs how to edit the files to make it fit "infinite" screen resolutions. On Mon, Jun 30, 2008 at 12:05 PM, Joseph Ortenzi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I would have though a simple CSS width:100%; , height:auto might do it? > does it need to be a background and will it conflict with anything > at different sizes? > ? > On Jun 30, 2008, at 05:15, dwain wrote: > > On 6/29/08, Chris Pearce <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> Hi, >> >> >> >> Has anyone been able to successfully scale a CSS background image to the >> current window size? I've done some research via Google and it appears this >> can't be done purely with CSS (at least not yet), maybe some JavaScript? > > there is a way to do it by using svg images, but i'm unclear on the > process. i think that the svg files has to be edited for the images to > scale to a screen's resolution. but anyway, svg is the wave of the future > for web images. > cheers, > dwain > > > -- > dwain alford > "The artist may use any form which his expression demands; > for his inner impulse must find suitable expression." Kandinsky > *** > List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm > Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm > Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > *** > > == > Joe Ortenzi > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://www.typingthevoid.com > > > *** > List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm > Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm > Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > *** -- dwain alford "The artist may use any form which his expression demands; for his inner impulse must find suitable expression." Kandinsky *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Scaling a background image
On 6/29/08, Chris Pearce <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hi, > > > > Has anyone been able to successfully scale a CSS background image to the > current window size? I've done some research via Google and it appears this > can't be done purely with CSS (at least not yet), maybe some JavaScript? > there is a way to do it by using svg images, but i'm unclear on the process. i think that the svg files has to be edited for the images to scale to a screen's resolution. but anyway, svg is the wave of the future for web images. cheers, dwain -- dwain alford "The artist may use any form which his expression demands; for his inner impulse must find suitable expression." Kandinsky *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Keywords for text-less site?
hi lynette, check out http://www.studiokdd.com/ the site still isn't finished under the hood, because i still need to add long descriptions. maybe your client could see that content with keywords can be tastefully done without clutter. remember, it's all about design! cheers, dwain On 6/24/08, Lynette Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I am about to start a site that is going to be basically several image > gallery site pages. My client is an artist. I asked for some text for the > site but she doesn't want "clutter". > > She asked: "how does it work with "key words" I realise i have not included > many. are they necessary these days and if so can they be incorporated to > suit search engines without visually disturbing the presentation. "She > basically wants the website to look the same as the Power Point > Presentation which is what I am working from. > > The problem is that what text there is - site title and subtitle, > navigation menu names and individual painting titles- is in a very obscure > font "Andy" that seems to be obsolete. A quick search of the web revealed > it was used in several programmes late 80's/early 90's and doesn't seem to > be available as a free download. I asked if I could change the font but > apparently all her printed matter is in this particular font so she wants to > use it on the website. I can use image replacement for the title but I > would really like to use a standard font for the rest. > > I suppose I will have to rely on ALT text. Is there anything else I should > consider? Thanks. > > Lyn > > Western Web Design > Perth WA > > > > *** > List Guidelines: > http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm > Unsubscribe: > http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm > Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > *** -- dwain alford "The artist may use any form which his expression demands; for his inner impulse must find suitable expression." Kandinsky *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Marking Up Poems
On 6/23/08, James Jeffery <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Mon, Jun 23, 2008 at 9:37 AM, Designer > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > From all the replies I have read through and from all the articles I have > read up on, this is probably the best solution I came across. > > I would wrap the whole poem within a , then each of the verses in a > paragraph and the lines created using . > > Anyone against this method? and why? i agree, put the poem in a , place the poem inside a , use ( for html4) at the end of each line and a double between stanzas (unless you are writing a very long poem, then i'd go for at every stanza). cheers, dwain -- dwain alford "The artist may use any form which his expression demands; for his inner impulse must find suitable expression." Kandinsky *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Firefox rendering issue
hi lynette, make sure fire fox sees it correctly, then make corrections for ie. hth, dwain On 6/18/08, Lynette Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > http://www.americanmotorcycles.com.au/spyder.html > > IE displays as intended but since I made some changes to other parts of the > site, Firefox displays incorrectly. > > It seems to want to put #contentdata directly under #box instead of under > #contentpics. > > Can anyone see where I have gone wrong? > > Thanks > > Lyn > > Western Web Design > Affordable website design, Perth > > *** > List Guidelines: > http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm > Unsubscribe: > http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm > Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > *** -- dwain alford "The artist may use any form which his expression demands; for his inner impulse must find suitable expression." Kandinsky *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Alt versus Title Attribute
accessibility validators will let you know if you missed an alt attribute and will suggest adding titles where there are either sketchy titles or no titles at all. dwain On 5/27/08, Jason Ray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > hmm... is accessibility not a feature of standards compliance? I'm > forgetting whether the W3C HTML validator will reject img elements without > the alt attribute, or if it's just the accessibility validators that do so. > > Jason > > > On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 10:55 AM, dwain <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > On 5/27/08, Jason Ray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > The alt attribute should always be included in order to be standards > > > compliant, > > > > and accessible > > > > the title is optional. > > > > some accessibility software i use says it's a good idea to use a title > > for accessibility reasons. the software is adesigner by ibm. > > > > > > dwain > > > > > > -- > > dwain alford > > "The artist may use any form which his expression demands; > > for his inner impulse must find suitable expression." Kandinsky > > > > > > > *** > > > > > > > > List Guidelines: > http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm > > Unsubscribe: > http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm > > Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > *** > > > > > > > *** > List Guidelines: > http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm > Unsubscribe: > http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm > Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > *** -- dwain alford "The artist may use any form which his expression demands; for his inner impulse must find suitable expression." Kandinsky *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Alt versus Title Attribute
On 5/27/08, Jason Ray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The alt attribute should always be included in order to be standards > compliant, and accessible the title is optional. some accessibility software i use says it's a good idea to use a title for accessibility reasons. the software is adesigner by ibm. dwain -- dwain alford "The artist may use any form which his expression demands; for his inner impulse must find suitable expression." Kandinsky *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Alt versus Title Attribute
On 5/27/08, Andrew Freedman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Tom Livingston provided the following information on 28/05/2008 3:26 AM: > > > Can anyone give me a clear example/explanation of the difference > > between the alt attribute and the title attribute? How about a real > > 'attributes for dummies' reference?? The difference seems very slight > > to me... > > > > > > Hi Tom, > > I may be wrong here but I've always worked on the premise that alt is > alternative text for when the image isn't available (For whatever reason) > and the title is the title of the image. An example would be alt="Customer > Care Logo" title="We Care about you" > if the image takes you to another part of the web site or another place on the web, the title attribute would describe where you are going. dwain -- dwain alford "The artist may use any form which his expression demands; for his inner impulse must find suitable expression." Kandinsky *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Accessibility and Joomla
On 5/22/08, Susie Gardner-Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I'm just starting to (try to!) learn Joomla as I'm going to have to use it > on a few upcoming sites. Having looked at the html output as I work through > some of the tutorials, I'm wondering how accessible sites created in Joomla > are, and if anyone has any experience/knowledge of good sites to help in > this area ... ? i saw a joomla site last night that had considerable accessibility issues with it. it didn't even pass the wai module in ff web dev tool bar. dwain -- dwain alford "The artist may use any form which his expression demands; for his inner impulse must find suitable expression." Kandinsky *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Feedback
hi matthew, why don't you make your settings to get individual emails? then you could scan all of the conversations and have your pick. cheers, dwain On 5/14/08, Matthew Chambers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Dear sir / madam > > I recently joined this mailing list and signed up for the daily digest > however I'm finding the digest hard to skim through to see if there is > anything of interest to me. It would be great if you had the subject summary > list at the top of the email which shows each of the conversations. This > would mean that we could easily skim read this list to see if there is > anything of interest. An extra bonus would be if you could just click on the > subject name and it takes you through to the thread in the website. > > Cheers > Matthew > > > > > CAUTION - This message may contain privileged and confidential information > intended only for the use of the addressee named above. > If you are not the intended recipient of this message any use, > dissemination, distribution or reproduction of this message is prohibited. > > If you have received this message in error please notify Rail Plus > immediately. > > - > > > > > *** > List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm > Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm > Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > *** > > -- dwain alford "The artist may use any form which his expression demands; for his inner impulse must find suitable expression." Kandinsky *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] XHTML 1.1 & CSS3 - Is it worth using right now?
thanks for the info. cheers, dwain On 5/13/08, Dean Matthews <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On May 13, 2008, at 3:44 PM, dwain wrote: > > > > where is it and is it incorporated into firefox yet? > > dwain > > > > On 5/12/08, Dean Matthews <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > On May 12, 2008, at 11:13 PM, dwain wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > and if you are wanting valid css then css3 will throw up errors in the > > > > w3c css validator. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Not if you use the CSS level 3 validator ;) > > > > > > > > > It's at: > > <http://jigsaw.w3.org/css-validator/#validate_by_uri+with_options> > > Under profile, select CSS 3 > > Don't know about Firefox. > > > > > > *** > List Guidelines: > http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm > Unsubscribe: > http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm > Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > *** > > -- dwain alford "The artist may use any form which his expression demands; for his inner impulse must find suitable expression." Kandinsky *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] XHTML 1.1 & CSS3 - Is it worth using right now?
where is it and is it incorporated into firefox yet? dwain On 5/12/08, Dean Matthews <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On May 12, 2008, at 11:13 PM, dwain wrote: > > > > and if you are wanting valid css then css3 will throw up errors in the > > w3c css validator. > > > > Not if you use the CSS level 3 validator ;) > > > > > > *** > List Guidelines: > http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm > Unsubscribe: > http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm > Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > ******* > > -- dwain alford "The artist may use any form which his expression demands; for his inner impulse must find suitable expression." Kandinsky *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] XHTML 1.1 & CSS3 - Is it worth using right now?
and if you are wanting valid css then css3 will throw up errors in the w3c css validator. dwain *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
[WSG] oops! OT post that shouldn't have gone to the list
well, i miss fired again. sent something to the list that was meant to go somewhere else. my sincerest apologies. cheers, dwain -- dwain alford "The artist may use any form which his expression demands; for his inner impulse must find suitable expression." Kandinsky *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Image links
this works for all images without adding a style to each image.
img {border:none;}
img:hover {border-bottom:1px solid #f00;padding-bottom:1px;}
dwain
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> On May 4, 2008, at 8:10 AM, Stuart Foulstone wrote:
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> which is what usually happens when you go
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> That is an unnecessarily pedantic comment. I already said I solved my
> design anomaly by applying a class to the image anchor. I simply asked if
> there was a universal rule I hadn't thought of that would be more elegant.
> Since there apparently isn't then I'll just grep it.
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Re: [WSG] Image links
On 5/2/08, kate <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> Or like this:
> img {
> margin: 3px;
> padding: 3px;
> border: 2px solid #BAB089;
> background-color: #D1C9AA;
> }
> The above CSS is in reply to always being blue. Well no not if you state
> what you want for the border color in your CSS.
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yeah, i went back and saw my problem. it seems the color i thought was red
was really blue. had my hex figures backwards.
with your example you have a border around the image. i thought that the
original poster wanted an underline. with a 3px bottom padding stated you
get the underline.
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Re: [WSG] Image links
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> > to underline an image the css is: a img {border-bottom:xpx solid
#xx;} i have found that the border is always blue though no matter what
color value you assign, unless i'm missing something here.
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Re: [WSG]
here's another tool for you. http://www.alphaworks.ibm.com/tech/adesigner/download hth, dwain On 4/22/08, Jens-Uwe Korff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hi Anat, > > there is no tool that fully automates the process - too many issues need > manual inspection. > > However, for what can be automated and what needs to be reported back to > a human reviewer we found TAW a good (and free) option. > > http://www.tawdis.net/taw3/cms/en (see right hand side for download). > > > Cheers, > > Jens > > -Original Message- > Anyone know about a tool that automate the process of testing > accessibility? any new good tool? > > The information contained in this e-mail message and any accompanying > files is or may be confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, any > use, dissemination, reliance, forwarding, printing or copying of this e-mail > or any attached files is unauthorised. This e-mail is subject to copyright. > No part of it should be reproduced, adapted or communicated without the > written consent of the copyright owner. If you have received this e-mail in > error please advise the sender immediately by return e-mail or telephone and > delete all copies. Fairfax does not guarantee the accuracy or completeness > of any information contained in this e-mail or attached files. Internet > communications are not secure, therefore Fairfax does not accept legal > responsibility for the contents of this message or attached files. > > > *** > List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm > Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm > Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > *** > > -- dwain alford "The artist may use any form which his expression demands; for his inner impulse must find suitable expression." Kandinsky *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Website Accessability Tools
marvin, here are some tools i use for accessibility and link checking. http://www.tawdis.net -- there is an offline accessibility checker here http://www.pcworld.com/downloads/file/fid,6974-order,1-page,1-c,alldownloads/description.html -- online and offline link checker xenu sleuth http://www.alphaworks.ibm.com/tech/adesigner/download -- offline or online accessibility checker i have seen an offline html validator, but i can't remember where it is. hth, dwain On 4/16/08, Marvin Hunkin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hi. > does any one know of any good accessible off line software > accessability tools, for checking broken links, that the right colour > is for the element on the page, like on my site, for the headings, you > have a red colour,a nd a good offline vallidator, if not connected to > the internet. > if any one can help, let me know and e-mail me privately off list. > cheers marvin. > > -- > Check out my home page at http://startrekcafe.stevesdomain.net/ > Check out my Jaws Australia Group at > http://groups.yahoo.com/groups/JawsOz/ > > > -- > Check out my home page at http://startrekcafe.stevesdomain.net/ > Check out my Jaws Australia Group at > http://groups.yahoo.com/groups/JawsOz/ > > > *** > List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm > Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm > Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > *** > > -- dwain alford "The artist may use any form which his expression demands; for his inner impulse must find suitable expression." Kandinsky *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Review Accessability Of My Site
On 4/6/08, Marvin Hunkin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Hi. > could some one take a look at my site and give me feedback, if you can > read the text, blind and vision impaired users, if they can read the > text, etc. > and what other accessability features, i may need to put in, or > general comments or feedback. > cheers Marvin. marvin, check out these helpful tools they will help you answer some of your questions: http://www.alphaworks.ibm.com/tech/adesigner/download http://www.tawdis.net/taw3/cms/en ~ there's a free standalone program you can download here. dwain -- dwain alford "The artist may use any form which his expression demands; for his inner impulse must find suitable expression." Kandinsky *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Frames and title relevance to screen readers....
On 4/2/08, Anat Katz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > ??? > > this is what your visitor would see in the title bar of the browser or nothing if you left it blank. using keywords in your title helps with seo. dwain -- dwain alford "The artist may use any form which his expression demands; for his inner impulse must find suitable expression." Kandinsky *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] why do some divs shrink wrap and others don't [OT?]
On 3/27/08, Matthew Pennell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 5:41 PM, dwain <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > i had no width set on the nav ul or the nav div and they both went to > > 100%. the div didn't shrink wrap the div and ul. > > > That would be correct behaviour, unless you are saying that they were > floated. yes, the pix were floated but the nav div was not. i ran a test. i removed the width declaration and floated the nav div. when i check it in ff web dev toolbar the nav div did not shrink wrap or it's contents. dwain -- dwain alford "The artist may use any form which his expression demands; for his inner impulse must find suitable expression." Kandinsky *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] why do some divs shrink wrap and others don't [OT?]
On 3/27/08, Matthew Pennell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 5:07 AM, dwain <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > after my experience tonight i was wondering why some divs will shrink > > wrap their contents while others don't. any takers? > > > > Block level elements such as DIV will be 100% of the width of their parent > container, unless they are floated - in which case they can either have an > explicit width set via CSS, or they will shrinkwrap their contents. > i had no width set on the nav ul or the nav div and they both went to 100%. the div didn't shrink wrap the div and ul. dwain -- dwain alford "The artist may use any form which his expression demands; for his inner impulse must find suitable expression." Kandinsky *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] why do some divs shrink wrap and others don't [OT?]
On 3/27/08, Joseph Ortenzi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > is it on this page? > http://www.alforddesigngroup.com/ > > yes -- dwain alford "The artist may use any form which his expression demands; for his inner impulse must find suitable expression." Kandinsky *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] why do some divs shrink wrap and others don't [OT?]
with my haslayout problem, the div around the pictures shrink wrapped while the nav div, containing a ul, and along with the ul sized to 100% of the wrapper. dwain On 3/27/08, Joe Ortenzi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Please clarify dwain. > have you got two examples, one shrink-wrapping (??) the other not? > > Do you mean one div will only be as large as the content within it and the > other will retain a fixed size regardless of content? > > Joe > On Mar 27 2008, at 05:07, dwain wrote: > > after my experience tonight i was wondering why some divs will shrink wrap > their contents while others don't. any takers? > > dwain > > -- > dwain alford > "The artist may use any form which his expression demands; > for his inner impulse must find suitable expression." Kandinsky > *** > List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm > Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm > Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > *** > > > Joe Ortenzi > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > www.joiz.com > > > > *** > List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm > Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm > Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > *** -- dwain alford "The artist may use any form which his expression demands; for his inner impulse must find suitable expression." Kandinsky *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] floats and ie7
thanks for the heads up on ie6. i added the width to the rule. thanks for
the article as well. i read it and still don't know any more than i did
before i read it. maybe because i'm tired. i bookmarked it for later
perusal.
makes me wonder when ms will get it right in their browsers. maybe they
just like messing with designers and developers. kind of makes ballmer's
remarks of his love for web developers sound hollow.
anyway, thanks for the tip. i went back into the netscape css and got rid
of some stuff after a few more chapters in zeldman's book.
i am trying to do the same thing with my art site, but i'm hitting a brick
wall with font sizes in nn4. i was looking at the redesign of the index
page in nn4 and the font seems to get larger as i scroll down the page.
i've put it away for now, but i may give another try at a later date. btw,
does nn4 like ems, percentages or pixels for font sizes?
cheers,
dwain
On 3/27/08, Thierry Koblentz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> > thanks thierry for your response. there was no width set on the nav div
> and that was the culprit.
> > after my bout with the nn4 style sheet i guess i was brain dead. let me
> know when you will be in alabama
>
> Hi Dwain,
>
> It does not need a width, it needs "hasLayout" [1].
> If it works with a width it is because "width" is one of the properties
> that triggers hasLayout in IE.
> zoom does this, but also position:absolute, display:inline-block, height,
> float and a few others.
>
> In any case, keep "width" if you see that it works the way you want.
>
> As a side note, if you want to fix the display issue in IE 6 (your images
> ), you'll need to insert the following:
>
> #adgpix {width: 242px;}
>
> imho, it is a good habit to always set a width on floats. I believe it
> used to be in the specs and I guess old browsers know that ;)
>
>
> [1] http://www.satzansatz.de/cssd/onhavinglayout.html
>
>
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Re: [WSG] floats and ie7
thanks thierry for your response. there was no width set on the nav div and
that was the culprit. after my bout with the nn4 style sheet i guess i was
brain dead. let me know when you will be in alabama and we'll roll out the
red carpet southern style when you get here.
dwain
On 3/26/08, Thierry Koblentz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> On Behalf Of dwain
> > Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2008 8:49 PM
> > To: web standards group
> > Subject: [WSG] floats and ie7
>
> >
> > i thought i had fixed this problem. i guess i didn't.
> >
>
> > http://www.alforddesigngroup.com/
> >
> > in ff, opera, safari 3.1 and seamonkey the page looks the way i
> intended. i have an address and menu on the left and two pictures floated
> > right. in the source code the pix follow the address so on the page
> they are even with the bottom of the address line on the right side of the
> > page. the pix are in their own shrink-wrapped div. in ie7 the pix
> split the address and menu. i've looked at the css until it all runs
> > together. what am i missing? and ms said that ie7 was more standards
> compliant, fooey!
>
>
> Hi Dwain,
>
> The easy fix:
> #nav {zoom:1;}
>
> But that won't validate (and I know you want the styles sheet to
> validate), so you may want to hide it inside a Conditional Comment or try
> any other property that will trigger hasLayout in IE.
>
> For example float will work too:
>
> #nav {float:left;display:inline;}
>
> display:inline is to prevent IE to double the left margin
>
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Re: [WSG] floats and ie7
thanks kepler for the reply. i just figured it out. i added a width of 30%
to the nav rule and ie7 played right. sometimes things just go over my head
and i have to look at the outlined divs in firefox to figure things like
this out. i was seeing a blue line for a dive that went all the way across
the page. then i remembered that i had a nav div. when i checked the rule
there was no width, therefore it was defaulting at 100%. cutting the width
percentage fixed the problem.
dwain
On 3/26/08, Kepler Gelotte <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> > i thought i had fixed this problem. i guess i didn't.
>
>
>
> Hi Dwain,
>
>
>
> Try adding "float: left" to your nav definition:
>
>
>
> #nav {
>
> FLOAT: left; FONT-SIZE: 90%; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 8.5em; COLOR:
> #039; TEXT-ALIGN: left
>
> }
>
>
>
> Best regards,
>
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i thought i had fixed this problem. i guess i didn't. http://www.alforddesigngroup.com/ in ff, opera, safari 3.1 and seamonkey the page looks the way i intended. i have an address and menu on the left and two pictures floated right. in the source code the pix follow the address so on the page they are even with the bottom of the address line on the right side of the page. the pix are in their own shrink-wrapped div. in ie7 the pix split the address and menu. i've looked at the css until it all runs together. what am i missing? and ms said that ie7 was more standards compliant, fooey! dwain -- dwain alford "The artist may use any form which his expression demands; for his inner impulse must find suitable expression." Kandinsky *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] netscape 4 and css
On 3/23/08, Thierry Koblentz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> > To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
> > Subject: Re: [WSG] netscape 4 and css
>
> I agree. imho, if an author has time/budget/knowledge to support NN4, then
> why not?
>
> Dwain,
> If you target only NN4 and no other old browsers, then you could use
> JavaScript to sniff for DOM support and plug a LINK element.
> For example, you could use something like this:
>
> if (!document.getElementById) document.write(' type="text/css" href="/css/v4.css" />');
>
> Then you use the media "hack" (as Russ suggested) or "@import" to prevent
> NN4 from reading your other sheets (for "modern browsers").
>
> Note that NN4 does not apply styles without JS support, so using JS to
> plug the styles sheet is OK in this case.
>
> On the other hand, I wonder how many NN4 users browse the Web with JS on
> as there are so many scripts out there that are not "old browsers"
> friendly...
thanks thierry, now i just might be able to pull this off. i went to your
site using nn4 and it looked good, that's what i want for myself and my
clients. i'm glad you replied.
cheers,
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Re: [WSG] netscape 4 and css
On 3/23/08, Patrick H. Lauke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > dwain wrote: > > been reading zeldman's book on designing with standards. > > > The latest version of NN4 came out in 1998. Zeldman's book came out in > first edition in 2003, and at that time there may have still been some > NN4 users out there. Nowadays, NN4 is irrelevant, unless you know for > sure (from your website's stats) that a sizeable part of your audience > is using this dinosaur of web browsers... > i'm reading the 2nd edition from 2006. he made a comment about how some organizations are still using nn4 because of their apps are geared toward nn4. i thought i would try my hand at making sites nn4 friendly. i do appreciate your comments though. like i said, just experimenting. i've been learning much about standards and document structure and semantics, etc, from my reading and this list. i think i'm getting the hang of all this. i've been designing sites since 2000 when i was using go live 5 and tables. things have really changed since then. i converted my art site to html and css in 2004 and i'm still not through with the accessibility part of it. i've got a lot of writing to do describing art work. cheers, dwain -- dwain alford "The artist may use any form which his expression demands; for his inner impulse must find suitable expression." Kandinsky *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] netscape 4 and css
On 3/23/08, russ - maxdesign <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hi Dwain, > > Hard to tell what is going on... Can you put a simplified version online > for > us to see? Easier for people to help then :) > > http://www.alforddesigngroup.com/sandbox/affordable-custom-web-site-design.html http://www.alforddesigngroup.com/sandbox/css/netscape.css here's the page and css. thanks, dwain -- dwain alford "The artist may use any form which his expression demands; for his inner impulse must find suitable expression." Kandinsky *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] netscape 4 and css
On 3/23/08, Matijs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hello Dwain, > > Are you at liberty to elaborate on the reasons for wanting to support NN4? > > Thanks! > > > Matijs > been reading zeldman's book on designing with standards. -- dwain alford "The artist may use any form which his expression demands; for his inner impulse must find suitable expression." Kandinsky *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] netscape 4 and css
On 3/23/08, russ - maxdesign <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hey Dwain, > > 1. be aware than NN4 has appalling support for CSS so your styles will > have > to be quite simple. when i view this site on the internet with nn4 the design breaks. i expected this. nn4 sees the background png and the background images as well even though the rest of the design breaks. i placed netscape.css first and adg-styles.css second in meta order. i would expect that the same styles in both sheets would make nn4 go ga-ga, but i get no styles at all in nn4. i placed the same styles from the "default" sheet in the netscape style sheet to work on getting nn4 to at least accept margins, but no, nothing, nada. now i'm really puzzled. i'm going to work this out. any ideas why nn4 shows no styles, when fed the same style sheet that breaks it on the web, locally? dwain -- dwain alford "The artist may use any form which his expression demands; for his inner impulse must find suitable expression." Kandinsky *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] netscape 4 and css
thanks russ, i'll give this a try. dwain On 3/23/08, russ - maxdesign <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hey Dwain, > > 1. be aware than NN4 has appalling support for CSS so your styles will > have > to be quite simple. -- dwain alford "The artist may use any form which his expression demands; for his inner impulse must find suitable expression." Kandinsky *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
[WSG] netscape 4 and css
i have a style sheet for a site that i would like to serve a netscape 4 style sheet, but i don't know how to do it. would someone offer advise as to how to do this. some sample code would be a nice touch. dwain -- dwain alford "The artist may use any form which his expression demands; for his inner impulse must find suitable expression." Kandinsky *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
[WSG] my apologies
i apologize to the group for the telecommunications post. i thought that i saw my congressional senator's address in the to: space. humbly apologetic, dwain -- dwain alford "The artist may use any form which his expression demands; for his inner impulse must find suitable expression." Kandinsky *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
[WSG] your telecommunications response
W. DWAIN ALFORD P.O. BOX 145 WINFIELD, AL 35594 TELEPHONE: 205.487.2570 March 20, 2008 Dear Senator Shelby, Thank you for your response with regard to my concerns of immunity for telecommunications firms. I understand your point, but I firmly disagree with your logic. There are laws in this country that protect my civil rights and my right to privacy. Mr. Bush and those that agree with him are showing me and many other Americans like me that he and you have a total disregard for the law of the land in this matter. If you want to wiretap terrorist suspects, then you need to do it according to our nation's laws; go to court and get a warrant. I don't like to think that my phone has been tapped and without my knowledge my calls have been monitored. In fact just the thought of it makes me extremely angry and even more distrustful of my government leaders than I already feel. The telecommunications firms should have told you to get a warrant and since they didn't they deserve whatever they get. I don't think that your assumption that they would be unlikely to help in the future is correct. I think that by being sued and losing they will tell the government to get a warrant or a subpoena if that is necessary to obtain the information the government seeks. That's what I would tell you if I were a CEO of a telecommunications firm that had been sued. A judge would be glad to issue the proper warrant(s) for the NSA to do their job on a case by case, individual by individual basis. I don't think that that is asking too much for our government to abide by it's own laws. If the government has suspects then they need to go after those suspects, not issue an illegal blanket wiretap on all Americans. That is outrageous and wrong, by law. Mr. Bush thinks that he is above the law. He has flagrantly violated the Constitution of this country and has flaunted his authority in the face of the American people and Congress has not shown the intestinal fortitude to rein the maniac in. Just by his actions of flying the Bin Ladens, who were living here on September 11, 2001, out of the country was an act of treason. What he did was to aid and abet the enemy, or have you forgotten that it was Saudi's that flew those planes that day? Are you also aware that in Saudi Arabia that their Quranic teachings say that the Americans are the Infidel and must be destroyed? And Mr. Bush just gave them several billions of dollars in aid this year. Again aiding and abetting the enemy. And there are many more acts of treason that he has committed. When will you and Congress act and prosecute this man for treason against the United States of America? I'm not the only one that feels this way. It looks like he will get away with his crimes against the people of this country and get a pension with Secret Service protection for life to boot, all paid for by American tax dollars. He'll walk away clean and laugh about how he almost brought down the American way of life, got away with violating the Constitution and had Congress cowering, not doing anything about it. Spineless, every one of you who are doing nothing to protect your constituents from a mad man. Spineless, each and every one of you who are towing party lines and allowing this man to continue to disregard the laws of the land and violate the Constitution of the United States. He disrespects every American, those who have served this country and causes every American serviceman and servicewoman who have lost their lives in Iraq and Afghanistan to have died in vain, with his law breaking actions. I am hoping for a better change in 2009. I am hoping for a Congress that will undo everything that Mr. Bush has done in his eight years in office that discredited and disgraced this country in the face of the world. Regards, Dwain Alford -- dwain alford "The artist may use any form which his expression demands; for his inner impulse must find suitable expression." Kandinsky *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] SEO, fact or fiction
On 3/17/08, kevin mcmonagle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > hi, > Im doing a site for a nightclub. So im doing a hybrid. > The owner has demanded a music track playing continuously. > What would you lot do if you had to put in a continually playing music > track? > i would suggest allowing the user to stop the music if they so choose. not everybody likes the same music or song, so he could lose many visitors because of the continuous track with no way to stop it. on the other hand a visitor could mute the sound. dwain -- dwain alford "The artist may use any form which his expression demands; for his inner impulse must find suitable expression." Kandinsky *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Opera 9.26 Problem
looks ok to me. i'm running the same build and platform. must be something on their end. dwain On 3/13/08, Web Dandy Design <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hi, > > > > We recently built a site for a client and tested across various browsers > including Opera 9.26. The site layout looks fine on our machines and we have > looked at the site on PC and MAC. However the client's French distributor > says that the site doesn't look right when they are using Opera v9.26, > revision 8835, Win32, Windows XP. > > > > Has anyone ever come across this problem before? > > > > The site is: www.charis.uk.com. > > > > Kind regards, > > > > Elaine > > > > *Web Dandy* > *http://**www.webdandy.co.uk* > > > > *** > List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm > Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm > Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > *** -- dwain alford "The artist may use any form which his expression demands; for his inner impulse must find suitable expression." Kandinsky *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] WCAG 2 implementation site
nice job! has the feel of web 2.0. dwain On 3/11/08, Mike at Green-Beast.com <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I don't recall who had asked for the link, but I have finally launched the > WCAG 2 implementation site that was mentioned. Info about it as well as a > link to the site can be found here: http://green-beast.com/blog/?p=221. > > Cheers. > Mike Cherim > > > > *** > List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm > Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm > Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > *** > > -- dwain alford "The artist may use any form which his expression demands; for his inner impulse must find suitable expression." Kandinsky *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] RE: Sitemap and accessibility
It is my understanding, though, that an XML site map can help indexing > but being that I've never used one or looked into it much, I can neither > confirm or deny this. > google will review and index pages in a matter of hours when you submit an xml site map. you put it in your site's root folder and point google at it and you're finished. here's where to get one: http://www.xml-sitemaps.com/ dwain -- dwain alford "The artist may use any form which his expression demands; for his inner impulse must find suitable expression." Kandinsky *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] SEO, fact or fiction
On 3/5/08, Keith Steinacher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > What I meant by 1 set fee was "I'll get you top rankings on all search > engines and fix all your woes for $99.99!!" i see what you mean now. While anyone can learn how to do SEO from a book or an online class, it > doesn't necessary mean that they can take your site (of any size) and make > it number 1 for a "canned" fee. Anyone that tells you that is not to be > trusted. and probably doesn't really know what they are doing. you mentioned making seo more dynamic on a large site. what do you mean by dynamic? let's take this off list, i think we are straying from the web standards theme, but you have me interested in this dynamic thing. dwain -- dwain alford "The artist may use any form which his expression demands; for his inner impulse must find suitable expression." Kandinsky *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] SEO, fact or fiction
On 3/4/08, Keith Steinacher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I wouldn't pay much attention to anyone that says they can solve all of > your site's problems for 1 set fee. why not? i charge by the page and do the seo myself. there's a free class at: http://www.gnc-web-creations.com/seo-optimization.htm dwain -- dwain alford "The artist may use any form which his expression demands; for his inner impulse must find suitable expression." Kandinsky *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] multiple css style sheets
On 3/1/08, Matthew Pennell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Sat, Mar 1, 2008 at 12:47 PM, dwain <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > do you have a link for your side? > > > > validator.w3.org? > > what about the w3c specs? dwain -- dwain alford "The artist may use any form which his expression demands; for his inner impulse must find suitable expression." Kandinsky *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] multiple css style sheets
On 3/1/08, Melissa Forrest <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > aaah no, there is nothing invalid about more than one stylesheet > tag in the markup do you have a link for your side? dwain -- dwain alford "The artist may use any form which his expression demands; for his inner impulse must find suitable expression." Kandinsky *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Site review
On 2/25/08, Andrew Maben <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Of course accessibility is important, and this is where your insights and > criticisms can be especially helpful. > here's a tool to check web site accessibility: http://www.tawdis.net/taw3/cms/en it suggests guidelines. dwain -- dwain alford "The artist may use any form which his expression demands; for his inner impulse must find suitable expression." Kandinsky *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] re: generate data
excellent and right on! dwain On 2/24/08, Breton Slivka <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Sun, Feb 24, 2008 at 8:04 PM, Steve Green <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > "Accessibility, though in a sense is trivially easy once you know it" > > > > That would not even be true if it was possible to 'know it', which it > isn't. > > Accessibility isn't just a bunch of facts that you have to learn, and > it's > > not just about compliance with the WCAG checkpoints. That's a good > starting > > point but it only tells you if a website *should* be accessible. > > > > To assess whether a website *actually is* accessible you need to > understand > > how people will perceive and interact with the content. That requires > > understanding of user agents, hardware platforms, assistive > technologies and > > all kinds of disabilities. It also requires the ability to balance the > > conflicting needs of different stakeholders. It requires us to keep > learning > > and reassessing our viewpoints as all these factors change and new > > technologies and design techniques emerge. > > > > Maybe it is trivial when you know all that, but I don't think any of us > know > > enough to start thinking that way. > > > > Steve > > > Here, I used the phrase "in a sense" perhaps, to try to capture more > meaning than it was capable of holding. There are, as you have pointed > out two ways of "knowing" accessibility. You can know how to build > your site such that it "should" be accessable according to the > standards which assume that all user agents are following the > standards. > > Then also there's the more difficult and expensive kind of > accessability where you actually test whether your target users can > really use the site or not in reality rather than just the theoretical > scenario that the standards describe. > > When I said "in a sense" I meant the first kind. The kind that is > trivially easy once you know all the techniques and standards. It is > particularly easy in comparison to the second kind. The first kind is > still seen as difficult and costly to many developers who may not even > be aware of the second kind. Nevertheless, "accessibility" of the > first kind is worth doing, and is trivially easy once you know how to > do it. > > Accessibility of the second kind is also worth doing. But in a world > where many developer cultures have not even come to grips with > accessibility of the first kind, accessibility of the second kind is a > tough sell. > > > > *** > List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm > Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm > Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > *** > > -- dwain alford "The artist may use any form which his expression demands; for his inner impulse must find suitable expression." Kandinsky *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
[WSG] re: generate data
after politely being told to shut up, and offering a meek reply, i'd like to take the opportunity to complete the thought. if the shoe fits, wear it. if accessibility isn't cracked up to what it's supposed to be, then why are there laws about the subject? what's the point of being a member of a group that is diligently trying to bring standardization to the web, when some of it's members have the kind of attitude mentioned above? i have learned a lot from this group and i appreciate the effort being given by those members of the group and the information shared. the reason i commented on accessibility is that if the site was not accessible, then will the data generated by the generator be accessible to all? if the data that it generates is not accessible to all, then what good is it? seems to me that it undermines the purpose of this group just like the comment of the poster. sure, we are all trying to improve the web in this group; we are all trying ways to make the web more interactive, but at what price? ok, i've had my say. i'm more of a designer than a developer. my knowledge of javascript is limited. i am currently reading: javascript, the definitive guide by david flanagan. help me out here please, if i'm off base or need more information. i understand that javascript is a programming language. i understand that javascript is needed to pass information from a form to a data base for storage or retrieval of data. i also understand there are more uses for javascript than my above remark, but, again, my limited understanding of javascript draws a blank for other uses. i don't understand why someone would code a page and use javascript that would make the page not available without it. would someone like to point me to some references on how to use javascript in a standards compliant way and have a go at the above question? dwain -- dwain alford "The artist may use any form which his expression demands; for his inner impulse must find suitable expression." Kandinsky *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] data generator
my misunderstanding. dwain On 2/23/08, Gary Menzel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I wasn't talking to you dwain. > > > On Sat, Feb 23, 2008 at 3:39 PM, dwain <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > target had something that just works and look what happened to them. > > wonder how they feel about accessibility now? although it's not the end all > > and be all of web design and development, if you are wanting standards > > compliance then shouldn't go just part of the way, like microsoft does, to > > be standards compliant, that means being accessible to all. we do have laws > > about that now, even for the web. let's go to target. > > dwain > > > > On 2/22/08, Gary Menzel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > Yeah - our development team will definitely be using this. > > > > > > Sometimes "accessibility" is not all it is cracked up to be. Sometime > > > you just need something that works. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sat, Feb 23, 2008 at 3:00 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED]@R KULEKCİ < > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > i think very good resource. thanks! > > > > > > > > 2008/2/23, Thierry Koblentz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > > > > > > > This is pretty cool tool to generate volume of any kind of data > > > > > (it even > > > > > includes SQL options) > > > > > http://www.generatedata.com > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > Regards, > > > > > Thierry | http://www.TJKDesign.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *** > > > > > List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm > > > > > Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm > > > > > Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > > *** > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ******* > > > > List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm > > > > Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm > > > > Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > *** > > > > > > > > > > > > > *** > > > List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm > > > Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm > > > Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > *** > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > dwain alford > > "The artist may use any form which his expression demands; > > for his inner impulse must find suitable expression." Kandinsky > > *** > > List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm > > Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm > > Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > *** > > > > > *** > List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm > Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm > Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > *** > -- dwain alford "The artist may use any form which his expression demands; for his inner impulse must find suitable expression." Kandinsky *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] data generator
target had something that just works and look what happened to them. wonder how they feel about accessibility now? although it's not the end all and be all of web design and development, if you are wanting standards compliance then shouldn't go just part of the way, like microsoft does, to be standards compliant, that means being accessible to all. we do have laws about that now, even for the web. let's go to target. dwain On 2/22/08, Gary Menzel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Yeah - our development team will definitely be using this. > > Sometimes "accessibility" is not all it is cracked up to be. Sometime you > just need something that works. > > > > On Sat, Feb 23, 2008 at 3:00 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED]@R KULEKCİ <[EMAIL > PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > i think very good resource. thanks! > > > > 2008/2/23, Thierry Koblentz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > > > This is pretty cool tool to generate volume of any kind of data (it > > > even > > > includes SQL options) > > > http://www.generatedata.com > > > > > > -- > > > Regards, > > > Thierry | http://www.TJKDesign.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *** > > > List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm > > > Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm > > > Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > *** > > > > > > > > > > *** > > List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm > > Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm > > Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > *** > > > > > *** > List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm > Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm > Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > *** > -- dwain alford "The artist may use any form which his expression demands; for his inner impulse must find suitable expression." Kandinsky *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] data generator
it's not very accessible with js turned off. dwain On 2/22/08, Thierry Koblentz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > This is pretty cool tool to generate volume of any kind of data (it even > includes SQL options) > http://www.generatedata.com > > -- > Regards, > Thierry | http://www.TJKDesign.com > > > > > > > *** > List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm > Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm > Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > *** > > -- dwain alford "The artist may use any form which his expression demands; for his inner impulse must find suitable expression." Kandinsky *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Problem with folio online | IE
On 2/20/08, Laert Jansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I don´t understand why is the text frozen in IE and not in FF > > you are using px for your font size. try using em or %. dwain -- dwain alford "The artist may use any form which his expression demands; for his inner impulse must find suitable expression." Kandinsky *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Problem with folio online | IE
the images are what fooled me at first. the state representative pages are images. all of the work you show on the page are images. that's why the text wouldn't size for me. i must agree with david that the font size could stand to be larger and a bit more contrast between the text color and the background color. dwain On 2/20/08, Laert Jansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > http://www.laertjansen.com/site2 > > On Wed, Feb 20, 2008 at 10:58 AM, dwain <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > if the pages with your picture on them aren't images, then your links at > > the bottom of the pages don't work. resend the link and let me have another > > look, please. > > dwain > > > > On 2/20/08, Laert Jansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > images? > > > > > > On Feb 20, 2008 12:51 AM, dwain <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > On Feb 20, 2008 12:05 AM, David Laakso <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Dwain, > > > > > > > > > > > > The text proper is not frozen in Firefox. I think you are having > > > > > > difficulty with the image text. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you're absolutely correct. i didn't realize at first they were > > > > images. > > > > dwain > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > dwain alford > > > > "The artist may use any form which his expression demands; > > > > for his inner impulse must find suitable expression." Kandinsky > > > > *** > > > > List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm > > > > Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm > > > > Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > *** > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Laert Jansen > > > www.laertjansen.com > > > > > > *** > > > List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm > > > Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm > > > Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > *** > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > dwain alford > > "The artist may use any form which his expression demands; > > for his inner impulse must find suitable expression." Kandinsky > > *** > > List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm > > Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm > > Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > *** > > > > > > -- > Laert Jansen > www.laertjansen.com > > *** > List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm > Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm > Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > *** -- dwain alford "The artist may use any form which his expression demands; for his inner impulse must find suitable expression." Kandinsky *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Problem with folio online | IE
if the pages with your picture on them aren't images, then your links at the bottom of the pages don't work. resend the link and let me have another look, please. dwain On 2/20/08, Laert Jansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > images? > > On Feb 20, 2008 12:51 AM, dwain <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > On Feb 20, 2008 12:05 AM, David Laakso <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > Dwain, > > > > > > > > The text proper is not frozen in Firefox. I think you are having > > > > difficulty with the image text. > > > > > > > > you're absolutely correct. i didn't realize at first they were images. > > dwain > > > > > > > > > > -- > > dwain alford > > "The artist may use any form which his expression demands; > > for his inner impulse must find suitable expression." Kandinsky > > *** > > List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm > > Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm > > Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > *** > > > > > > -- > Laert Jansen > www.laertjansen.com > > *** > List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm > Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm > Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > *** -- dwain alford "The artist may use any form which his expression demands; for his inner impulse must find suitable expression." Kandinsky *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Problem with folio online | IE
> On Feb 20, 2008 12:05 AM, David Laakso <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > Dwain, > > > > The text proper is not frozen in Firefox. I think you are having > > difficulty with the image text. > > you're absolutely correct. i didn't realize at first they were images. dwain -- dwain alford "The artist may use any form which his expression demands; for his inner impulse must find suitable expression." Kandinsky *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Problem with folio online | IE
> On Feb 19, 2008 4:40 PM, David Laakso <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > PS /Landing/ on a page with mousetype an 116dpi laptop ain't no picnic > > for those of us without your Superman vision. Then having it frozen in > > IE, only adds insult to injury. > > the main text on the pages are frozen in firefox as well. can't make the type any larger so i can read it, even with my glasses. dwain -- dwain alford "The artist may use any form which his expression demands; for his inner impulse must find suitable expression." Kandinsky *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] books
On 2/19/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Anybody can suggest me some good books or other resources for > > · Webstandards > > · css technics > css the definitive guide third edition by eric meyer · Ui design and development > > · javascript (especially for UI purpose) > javascript the definitive guide fifth edition by david flanagan I prefer books… > > > > Thanks a ton > > *Naveen Bhaskar Menon* > > > > *** > List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm > Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm > Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > *** -- dwain alford "The artist may use any form which his expression demands; for his inner impulse must find suitable expression." Kandinsky *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] * { display: inline; }
ie does not recognize the "*".
dwain
On 2/17/08, Katrina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> Gday all,
>
> This morning I was creatively thinking different things and playing
> around (as you do).
>
> I was wondering what would happen if I did a mass reset using the
> asterisk to make everything inline to begin with?
>
> So in the header of my document, I included
>
>
> * {
> display: inline;
> }
>
>
> Now I know that external style sheets are much smarter, I just wanted to
> have a quick play and test.
>
> For some inexplicable reason, the content of the style element then
> appears in the browser, Firefox 2, Firefox 3 beta, Safari 3 beta, Opera
> 9.1 (not IE7).
>
> Is that supposed to happen? And if so, why? I am honestly stumped on
> this one.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Kat
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Re: [WSG] Best Practice to Offer Different Formats of Documents
On 2/16/08, Joe Ortenzi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Icons also help people make quick choices and allow you to provide the > documents in a tabular format when required. > Title of This Lengthy Document [PDF ICON] title="download the > PDF: Title_of_This_Lengthy_Document" [MSWORD ICON] title="download the > Word Document: Title_of_This_Lengthy_Document" > > i also put the size of the document next to the link. this way the visitor know what's coming in the download or the view, because to view a pdf it has to be downloaded first and then opened and by notifying the visitor of the size of the document gives them another choice whether to download, view or by pass the document. dwain -- dwain alford "The artist may use any form which his expression demands; for his inner impulse must find suitable expression." Kandinsky *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] help with picture alignment in CSS
On 2/10/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Hello, > > I have a site here that I've been trying to add some pictures to. I have > IE7 and Firefox and it looks good but my client is seeing things different > with her IE. The pictures at the bottom, 6 of them should be lined up all > in a row but are not. I put the code I am using inside the page and in > this email. > > Can someone take a look and let me know if they can see what is going on > here. > > Thanks.tg > > Here is the link: > > http://www.rejuvenatespas.com/test.html > > > > */// > /// > >
Re: [WSG] long description and its implementation
thanks to all of you who have commented on this concern of mine. i really appreciate the feed back. time to lurk again. cheers, dwain On 2/2/08, Christian Snodgrass <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > If that is the case, you could just use simple links and have a mention > about clicking on the artwork to read an in-depth description. > > dwain wrote: > > i do go into some detail about color meanings and the symbolism behind > > the work, so i think that it could be of benefit to both sighted and > > visually challenged individuals. > > dwain > > > > On 2/2/08, *Thierry Koblentz* <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote: > > > > > On Behalf Of dwain > > > > > > excellent suggestion!! i have other plans for the page with the > > larger image as far as a "description" goes, but the link text > > suggestion is > > > superb. i wanted a way to let screen readers know that there > > was a description of the image for non-sighted, blind, whatever is > > politically > > > correct these days, available for accessibility. > > > > If these links are for screen-reader users, then why not hiding > > them in visual browsers? > > imho, many sighted users will be confused by your long description > > pages, I believe most users won't understand their purpose. > > Unless of course they do more than describing the image. For > > example, in the case these images are not only described, but > > *interpreted* (for example by the artist explaining his work, > > symbolic, etc). > > If it is the latter, then the description is for all users. > > > > -- > > Regards, > > Thierry | http://www.TJKDesign.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *** > > List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm > > Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm > > Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > *** > > > > > > > > > > -- > > dwain alford > > "The artist may use any form which his expression demands; > > for his inner impulse must find suitable expression." Kandinsky > > *** > > List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm > > Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm > > Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > *** > > > -- > > Christian Snodgrass > Azure Ronin Web Design > http://www.arwebdesign.net/ <http://www.arwebdesign.net> > Phone: 859.816.7955 > > > > *** > List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm > Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm > Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > *** > > -- dwain alford "The artist may use any form which his expression demands; for his inner impulse must find suitable expression." Kandinsky *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] long description and its implementation
i do go into some detail about color meanings and the symbolism behind the work, so i think that it could be of benefit to both sighted and visually challenged individuals. dwain On 2/2/08, Thierry Koblentz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Behalf Of dwain > > > > excellent suggestion!! i have other plans for the page with the larger > image as far as a "description" goes, but the link text suggestion is > > superb. i wanted a way to let screen readers know that there was a > description of the image for non-sighted, blind, whatever is politically > > correct these days, available for accessibility. > > If these links are for screen-reader users, then why not hiding them in > visual browsers? > imho, many sighted users will be confused by your long description pages, > I believe most users won't understand their purpose. > Unless of course they do more than describing the image. For example, in > the case these images are not only described, but *interpreted* (for example > by the artist explaining his work, symbolic, etc). > If it is the latter, then the description is for all users. > > -- > Regards, > Thierry | http://www.TJKDesign.com > > > > > > > *** > List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm > Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm > Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > *** > > -- dwain alford "The artist may use any form which his expression demands; for his inner impulse must find suitable expression." Kandinsky *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] long description and its implementation
excellent suggestion!! i have other plans for the page with the larger
image as far as a "description" goes, but the link text suggestion is
superb. i wanted a way to let screen readers know that there was a
description of the image for non-sighted, blind, whatever is politically
correct these days, available for accessibility.
dwain
On 2/2/08, Patrick H. Lauke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> dwain wrote:
> > you are saying put the longdesc on the text rather than the image. i
> > will be adding text saying that if you click the image it will take you
> > to the longdesc and click the text link to take you to a larger version
> > of the picture.
>
> I'd posit that sighted users, when coming across a page of thumbnails,
> will still expect the thumbs to take them to the larger view, regardless
> of any text you put in anywhere else on the page.
>
> If I had to add long description, I'd include it on the actual page that
> shows the larger version of the painting - either as part of the text on
> the right itself, or as a clearly marked link underneath the large image
> ("text description of this painting" or similar).
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Re: [WSG] long description and its implementation
thierry, i do belive that this is more intuitive. thanks for your input. i think that text saying that the text link leads to a longdesc of the work. how does that sound to the group. should work well in a screen reader too. as for the scripting, i have no clue how to do it. my education has not gone that far yet. it is a major draw back to being just a designer and not a developer. there is still much i need to learn (js, php, mysql), but $$$ is the hold up at the moment. books help, but some instruction would be most valuable. dwain On 2/2/08, dwain <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > you are saying put the longdesc on the text rather than the image. i will > be adding text saying that if you click the image it will take you to the > longdesc and click the text link to take you to a larger version of the > picture. > > i see your point though. i'll give it a try and put the page back up for > more comments. > dwain > > On 2/2/08, Thierry Koblentz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > On Behalf Of dwain > > > > > > > > > here's the link to the example: > > http://studiokdd.com/sandbox/abstract-christian-art-new-testament.html > > > > > > i have the jesus and disciples pic set to the long description and the > > text link to the larger pic. > > > > > > any feedback would be appreciated. > > > > Don't you think this approach may confuse sighted users? Most people > > expect thumbnail images to be linked to a larger version. > > I'd do the opposite and use the link for the long description page, but > > moving it off-screen (bringing it back into view for keyboard users). > > I'd also use a script to build the link (pulling the HREF value from the > > longdesc attribute), since the resource is already part of the document. > > > > -- > > Regards, > > Thierry | http://www.TJKDesign.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *** > > List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm > > Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm > > Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > *** > > > > > > > -- > dwain alford > "The artist may use any form which his expression demands; > for his inner impulse must find suitable expression." Kandinsky > *** > List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm > Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm > Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > *** > -- dwain alford "The artist may use any form which his expression demands; for his inner impulse must find suitable expression." Kandinsky *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] long description and its implementation
you are saying put the longdesc on the text rather than the image. i will be adding text saying that if you click the image it will take you to the longdesc and click the text link to take you to a larger version of the picture. i see your point though. i'll give it a try and put the page back up for more comments. dwain On 2/2/08, Thierry Koblentz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Behalf Of dwain > > > > > > here's the link to the example: > http://studiokdd.com/sandbox/abstract-christian-art-new-testament.html > > > > i have the jesus and disciples pic set to the long description and the > text link to the larger pic. > > > > any feedback would be appreciated. > > Don't you think this approach may confuse sighted users? Most people > expect thumbnail images to be linked to a larger version. > I'd do the opposite and use the link for the long description page, but > moving it off-screen (bringing it back into view for keyboard users). > I'd also use a script to build the link (pulling the HREF value from the > longdesc attribute), since the resource is already part of the document. > > -- > Regards, > Thierry | http://www.TJKDesign.com > > > > > > > *** > List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm > Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm > Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > *** > > -- dwain alford "The artist may use any form which his expression demands; for his inner impulse must find suitable expression." Kandinsky *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Good News and longdesc info
congratulations frank!! i know that you are just who they were looking for and that your work for them will be superb. looking forward to the longdesc implementation that you have written. dwain On 2/2/08, Frank Palinkas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hi folks, > > After almost two months of phone interviews and written tests, late > yesterday I received an offer from Opera, Oslo for the Technical Writer > position they had open. I'm still in shock. Some of you know I've been > trying to get out of here for a while, and finally the work has paid off. > This tech writer position requires hands-on knowledge and use of (X)HTML, > CSS, and DOM/JavaScript by the author. This suits me perfect, seeing that > all my work is done in IDE editors for those languages. Now all I have to do > is live up to their standards, and I'll be ok. It's truly a privilege to be > joining the Opera Team. > > Dwain, as part of the written exams for Opera, I was asked to devise a > solution similar to the longdesc attribute problem you describe. I did, but > unfortunately I'm still under an NDA regarding the Opera job application > process. When I receive notification that I can publish this solution from > them, I'll make sure to let you and the list know immediately. Also, I'll > submit it to Chris Mills, editor of dev.opera.com to see if he thinks if > fit for publication to that site. > > Kind regards, > > Frank M. Palinkas > > > > > *** > List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm > Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm > Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > *** > > -- dwain alford "The artist may use any form which his expression demands; for his inner impulse must find suitable expression." Kandinsky *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
