RE: Recall: [WSG] Web design education
From: Herrod, Lisa Herrod, Lisa would like to recall the message, [WSG] Web design education. Lisa Herrod is funny :-) -- Peter Williams ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] styling auto-generated .net id values
From: Rachel Radford one item on the page that has an id of #_1740__ctl2__1125 in Firefox it works fine. IE gets stuck somewhere on the underscores and ignores the rule ID and class names can't start with a number either, I wonder if that is part of the problem, after the underscore the first char is a number. It seems the only sensible and ongoing way of fixing this is to generate IDs that aren't problematic. Fix the problem at the source as it were. -- Peter Williams ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] styling auto-generated .net id values
From: Rachel Radford page that has an id of #_1740__ctl2__1125 Just to follow up on the underscore thing... From the W3C HTML 4.01 recommendation ID and NAME tokens must begin with a letter ([A-Za-z]) and may be followed by any number of letters, digits ([0-9]), hyphens (-), underscores (_), colons (:), and periods (.). So there's your problem, invalid markup, so no suprise when it fails to function properly in use. You have to fix the server-side generation of the bad IDs to have any real hope of this being able to work reliably across a range of browsers, other than by good luck. -- Peter Williams ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] talking points for standards
From: Andreas Boehmer [Addictive Media] have you ever seen a house with a huge sign on it: This house is standards compliant? No, but washing machines, fridges and cars are all now displaying stickers that advise of their efficiency in terms of an industry and government agreed star rating scheme. Maybe we need a content vs page weight ratio measurement with star ratings to emphasise the greater efficiency of standards based page/site creation? -- Peter Williams ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] New logo scheme was talking points for standards
From: Patrick H. Lauke Peter Williams wrote: 1 star for content to markup ratio 1 star for validation of markup and css Let the market regulate itself. Let standards-compliant markup sites take over because of their benefits actually manifesting themselves (easier to maintain, faster, etc). We don't need yet another badge...imho of course. It's not yet another badge, it was a way to show compliance in a way that average people could relate to. As a response to the charge that the W3C buttons and validator links are too techy and people business people don't get it. -- Peter Williams ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] New logo scheme was talking points for standards
From: Herrod, Lisa Who really pays attention to the badges? Are the badges useful? really? surely an accessibility page on the site is more informative and helpful/useful/clear to those who are interested. We work this way because it's best practice and the right thing to do; it's faster and more efficient... I should point out that I don't use the W3C buttons on any sites, I try always to make sites comply with standards and to be functionally efficient. I wouldn't use any new rating or badge system either unless it was mandated. I think it would be amusing to see all the pretty but broken sites with no stars or 1 star though. -- Peter Williams ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] New logo scheme was talking points for standards
From: Vincent Johansen The whole deal about putting buttons on websites we make for clients is in my humble opinion quite retarded. You're directing traffic straight out of your clients website I'm not sure I'd word it quite that way, but I agree that sending visitors away isn't a good plan. My star rating system isn't intended to be a link away from the site. -- Peter Williams ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] New logo scheme was talking points for standards
From: Andreas Boehmer From: Herrod, Lisa surely you're not doing it for the elephant stamp? Could not have put it better. Agreed, but wasn't this all started by someone wanting a way to communicate the goodness of standards compliant sites to a lay audience? Wouldn't a scheme like that used for rating energy efficiency of applicances achieve that easier than the cryptic and unloved W3C buttons. -- Peter Williams ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] New logo scheme was talking points for standards
From: Patrick H. Lauke But the question remains: who awards these stars? Self-accreditation would obviously be futile. And who monitors that stars are rightly awarded, and not used by sites that don't meet the criteria? Hey, if there's full-time jobs being created here, I'm in... It has to be somehow enforced for it to have value. Clearly regulation of anything internet related is problematic due to its distributed nature. I'm not going to come up with a whole plan for this, I was just thinking of a way that the relative goodness of sites could be simply communicated to a non tech audience. I think the scheme (at least the implementation and enforcement) would be very impractical in the current online environment. -- Peter Williams ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] editor
From: Lori Cole ...using XHTML and would like to know what HTML editor Like HTMLTidy? HTML-Kit (incorporates Tidy) will work, as will just about any plain text editor, with or without syntax highlighting. EditPad, jEdit, Notetab and so on. jEdit is pretty clever and it runs on most platforms since it's a Java app, it's free too. -- Peter Williams ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] firefox 1.5 is official
From: Christian Montoya On 11/29/05, Felix Miata [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: does a release version profile with web dev installed work without doing anything special when upgrading the release version from 1.0.x to 1.5? When I upgraded cleanly from 1.0.x to 1.5b (I got rid of 1.0.7 entirely) there was an upgrade dialog that came up and automated upgrading my extensions. I didn't have to do anything to my web dev extension. I installed 1.5 with 1.07 already installed, it just upgraded without fuss and without questions/dialogs. I too got the dialog about my extensions, it offered to check for updates. The web dev toolbar was upgraded seamlessly, but my often used ViewEXIF extension ended up disabled and there are no compatible upgrades. -- Peter Williams ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] CSS Validators
Geoff Pack wrote: ...install on an local server to batch check files on my local network? From: Steve Ferguson What don't you want to use the W3C one? ...files on my local network, if you're working on an intranet you can't use the w3c validators, unless you cut and paste, or upload files, which is a bother at times. -- Peter Williams ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] page break up
From: Terrence Wood Lachlan Hunt said: !--tab is an invalid HTML comment how so? Perhaps not by strict definition, but the following reference explains where Lachlan is probably coming from. http://www.htmlhelp.com/reference/wilbur/misc/comment.html I like to stick with the !-- comment -- method to avoid any potential problems. -- Peter Williams ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] Efficient CSS Practice Methods
From: Chris Kennon This belief begs the question how does one effectively practice CSS? Should I continue creating scenarios and templates, or can some knowledgeable member share practice methodologies? Chris, Long before this list existed I used to try and solve all the problems that came up on the css-d list, I'd create a simplified test case of the problem area and work on it to figure out what was causing the problem, then try and find a fix for it. Replying back to the list with my findings had the benefit of assisting the original questioner and also getting peer review of my findings. Discussions would often bring further info to light and some of us would go away with more knowledge than we started with. I'm still a member of css-d, but I rarely have time to investigate or help very much these days. http://www.css-discuss.org/ -- Peter Williams ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] Server Side Includes
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I don't entirely agree that the SSI is irrelevant to standards. I use XHTML Strict, and if my markup in the SSI file contains a deprecated property then it won't validate. I don't think anyone is arguing that the content of the include is irrelevant, the original question was about the syntax of the include statement and its effect on validity. Since the validator or browser never get to see the include statement, it is irrelevant. Of course the content of the include file would need to be valid to pass validation and hopefully display correctly in browsers. That seems to be a given. -- Peter Williams ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] specifying width of pre
From: Joshua Street Yeah. I think it's kind of Gmail's fault. You'll note the mailing list signature isn't showing up on my messages, either. I'm sending this message in HTML format in the hope it stays more intact than plain text when the WSG list processes it... Been through similar issues on another list, set the GMail encoding to Default (not UTF8). Then set it to Plain Text formatting (they recently added a Rich Text option). -- Peter Williams ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] Table width in Firefox - Strange problem
From: CHAUDHRY, Bhuvnesh
...in Firefox 1.0.7. The Caption totally ignores the specified width
of the table extends to the full width of the page.
.try {
background-color: #CC;
border: thin solid #CC9900;
padding: 4px;
margin-left:30%;
margin-right:30%;
width: 40%;
}
caption {
font: bold 120% Arial,sans-serif;
padding: 3px 0px 3px 0px;
border-top: thin solid #CC9900;
border-left: thin solid #CC9900;
border-right: thin solid #CC9900;
}
table cellpadding=0 cellspacing=0 class=try
captionChair/caption
tr
thYear/th
thCountry/th
/tr
SNIP
/table
If you add the same width and margin declarations to the caption it
works.
margin-left:30%;
margin-right:30%;
width: 40%;
If you apply only the width you'll see that the caption begins at the
left
edge of the body, not at the left edge of the table. It seems that the
caption is not being contained by the table in FF, but I can't explain
why.
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RE: [WSG] Table width in Firefox - Strange problem
From: Peter Williams It seems that the caption is not being contained by the table in FF, but I can't explain why. HTML 4 recommendation has this to say about the caption element: Visual user agents should avoid clipping any part of the table including the caption, unless a means is provided to access all parts, e.g., by horizontal or vertical scrolling. We recommend that the caption text be wrapped to the same width as the table. So the caption isn't forced to be the same width as the table. I tried it in the latest Opera browser and found that it works as you wish without the extra rules, and is actually broken with the extra rules in place (unlike IE6 which showed it as you wanted with either set of rules in place). -- Peter Williams ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] Avoiding the evil br
From: Jon Tan I think that for any agent the semantic way to separate address lines would be using a comma at the end of each line as appropriate, which regardless of what mark-up was used would be interpreted correctly by screen readers. Doesn't this also apply to non-CSS agents too? I.e: The Secretary, Your Club, PO Box 999, Anytown VIC 3000. Australia Post address format rules/recommendations don't allow punctuation. Apparently it messes with the automated sorting. It'd be good to have a method that was independant of local quirks and variations. -- Peter Williams ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] CSIRO to help develop web standards
From: Ian Main Interesting news this Friday morning. Does anyone have anymore info on this? http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200510/s1476554.htm W3c has a news item about it: http://www.w3.org/ Ross Ackland profile: http://www.csiro.au/index.asp?type=resumeid=AcklandRossstylesheet=abou tCSIROResume Seems like they are just transferring the Aussie branch from one host company/university/institution to another. -- Peter Williams ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] Meta Keywords?
From: James Bennett In my experience, they still read the Description tag, but don't necessarily take it into account for ranking purposes; if the Description is present it will be included in the excerpt shown in the search result. That matches my experience too. -- Peter Williams ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] avoid Verdana - I cant get the whole point.
From: Samuel Richardson So if the Linux fallback for Verdana is Bitstream Vera Sans, what's the Linux fallback for Arial? Agfa Monotype had this to say in a press release about Red Hat licencing their fonts: Albany, Cumberland and Thorndale are from Agfa Monotype's library of hand-tuned Enhanced Screen Quality fonts, designed for optimal legibility regardless of output destination, such as low-resolution inkjet printers or tiny cell phone screens. The fonts are also metrically equivalent to Arial, Courier and Times New Roman, core fonts of the Microsoft Windows operating system. URL for press release: http://news.agfa.com/corporate/news.nsf/0/3A202FF9EA54CEBAC1256E270058A BBC?opendocument -- Peter Williams ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] avoid Verdana - I cant get the whole point.
From: Samuel Richardson So if the Linux fallback for Verdana is Bitstream Vera Sans, what's the Linux fallback for Arial? Another answer could be Helvetica, I think that Arial is actually a copy of Helvetica (a much older typeface). -- Peter Williams ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] avoid Verdana - I cant get the whole point.
From: T. R. Valentine On 04/10/05, Christian Montoya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: IMO arial isn't so hot for the web anyway. So my questions are: what is wrong with Arial (Arial Unicode MS in particular)? are there better font alternatives? Typographers say it is badly hinted. My take on that is that it has a poorer appearance than some other typefaces from which it was derived. I believe the differences are subtle and probably not visible in screen use. -- Peter Williams ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] Flexible Font sizes in tables in ie
From: Kara O'Halloran - Eduka
Either way I still have the problem of the table cell text
either appearing too large in ie, or too small in ff.
Without resorting to setting text size in pixels in my table,
I can't find any other way to prevent this from happening, I
thought perhaps there might be a hack out there that will
pass 0.8em to ie, but not to firefox?
Kara,
Isn't this just a matter of doing something like:
body, td {font-size: whatever;}
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RE: [WSG] avoid Verdana - I cant get the whole point.
From: Buddy Quaid But like a tree, some of these discussions go out on a long limb and lose focus of the big picture. Each member goes down a different branch at different times on the various projects they work on. If we allow them and others to extend that branch at that time, over time all the branches get extended and the whole tree grows providing mutual benefits for us all. What seems like esoteric minutae today might be just what you are looking for in the archives in six months time. -- Peter Williams ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] Forums review
From: John S. Britsios I would highly appreciate if you would come over, and have a look at our new forums, and tell us your opinion or suggestions. URI: http://forums.webnauts.net I tried to join using my name as the username, I was rejected with the reason given being that the name was reserved. So I had to use my initials. Then when my passowrd arrived I logged in and wanted to change the password to something other than a randow string of letters. I went to Control Panel/Options, couldn't see any way to change it, went to FAQ, it wasn't mentioned. Note that the email that comes out with the password has a generic Login Information or similar subject line, would be better if it was branded, such as: Webnauts forums - Login info. That way when you file the instructional email, you can find it again later when you need it. So I tried to use U2U (never seen it called that before, it is usually called Private Message or PM), No address list so I tried Administrator (thinking that would be a standard contact point), no such user, went back to forum area, saw Webnauts as a user making demo posts, so tried that as a To: address, seemed to work. So there is a quick summary of my initial user experience. The forums look pretty, the orange/blue/purple combi is attractive. Text size on the top nav is too big and Board Rules is always wrapped for me, it could easily be half or two-thirds the size it is now and still be effective in my opinion. -- Peter Williams ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] computer arts mag article/review
From: Christian Montoya [EMAIL PROTECTED] Considering none of the top designers use Dreamweaver From: Al Sparber Who are the top designers? Some bloke called Sparber at Project Seven is one of them I think. -- Peter Williams ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] Educate the educators (was) Barclays standards redesign
From: Herrod, Lisa There are actually a few excellent teachers at Sydney Institute (ultimo TAFE) who understand and teach... Maybe TAFE is better than most other educational institutes. I did some welding courses quite a few years ago and the instructors we had were brilliant practitioners and knew the theory well too. They had all had long years in the trade (boilermaking). -- Peter Williams ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] Text Size Statistics
From: Richard Czeiger Ummm, if you were a developer would you put a link on your non-standards compliant site pointing to a page that tells the user why your site is bad R (either confused or not catching sarcasm on a Friday afternoon) I think confused. I took this to mean that: - you create a standards compliant site - a visitor with an older browser visits and sees mush - a page explains why the page looks like mush and that the problem is with the older browser and explains ways to improve matters for the visitor. This seems to be an extension of the WASP's .ahem campaign to create awareness of the desirability of upgrading old, non standards compliant browsers. -- Peter Williams ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] Online Resources for HTML Beginners
John Horner wrote: Just to note that we've got fourteen posts and only three recommendations of online resources... I'm not sure if a downloadable PDF qualifies as an online resource, but Jeffrey Veen has the proof of his Art and science of web design available for download. The book is five years old, but is still a useful reference for standards based web building, and I found it an enjoyable read. http://www.veen.com/jeff/archives/000747.html -- Peter Williams ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] Online Resources for HTML Beginners
From: Bert Doorn Always refer to elements and attributes to avoid confusion. Elements have attributes, they don't have tags and are not tags. I always understood it as below: p/pParagraph element p Opening tag of the Paragraph element /p Closing tag of the Paragraph element -- Peter Williams ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] Accessibility, the possibilities
From: Damian Sweeney Try http://69.93.55.164/topics/userscience/accessibility/ So, there really is a new A List Apart. Hopefully DNS propogation will proceed apace and we can all enjoy the new look and feel :-) -- Peter Williams ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] Specifying Web Standards and Accessibility Requirements
From: David Nicol To make project communication easier I plan to draw up a document to detail my requirements with regard to standards-compliant coding and accessibility. It is my intention that this document would be re-usable - it should be applicable to all projects we handle in the forseable future. 2. I seem to recall reading an article about this matter somewhere before (maybe on the W3C's own site). After a lot of Googling I still can't seem to find it. Does anyone know what article I am thinking of? J Zeldman had a lot of input to the New York Public Library Styleguide which incoroprates a lot of the sort of info your are wanting I think. http://www.nypl.org/styleguide/ -- Peter Williams ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] my head is sore
From: Jen Simmons
http://www.redbonepress.com/index1.htm
and the css is at:
http://www.redbonepress.com/redbonestyles.css
The three elements: masthead, sidebar and main content just
don't want to stay where they belong.
It looks good (and very similar) in both IE6 and FF1.06 on
Win XP for me. Your only issue seems to be the left menu
list. You need to set border, margin and padding for the left
of the ul and the ul li selectors to 0, then use one setting
to get the correct amount of indent for your layout/design.
Opera, Firefox and IE all seem to use a different method of
creating the indent for lists. By zero-ing all the methods
and then specifically setting the indent using one of the
possible methods you should get the same result in all three
browsers.
#sidebar ul {
list-style: none;
border-left: 0;
-- margin-left: 10px; --- I chose margin
padding-left: 0;
font: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;
font-size: 12px;
color:#FFCC00;
text-align: left;
}
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RE: [WSG] Accessibility, the possibilities
From: David Pietersen ...tools/techniques for doing the below? Ok, we can validate for: * W3C HTML/XHTML * CSS * WAI * Section 508 David, The W3C maintain a useful website that has validators for x/html and css. http://validator.w3.org/ http://jigsaw.w3.org/css-validator/ They also have info regarding WIA conformance http://www.w3.org/WAI/eval/ Webxact have a testing tool for WAI and Section 508 http://webxact.watchfire.com/ Bobby is a general accessibility checker http://www.cast.org/bobby/ Joe Clark offers a lot of good advice on accessibility http://joeclark.org/access/webaccess/ alistapart has many articles on accesibility http://www.alistapart.com/topics/accessibility/ Google for terms like section 508 check and you'll find more references and tools. -- Peter Williams ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] Accessibility, the possibilities
From: Damian Sweeney Hmm, alistapart is back with a funky new design alistapart has many articles on accesibility http://www.alistapart.com/topics/accessibility/ should be: http://www.alistapart.com/topics/userscience/accessibility/ Damian, Your link gave me a 404. I'm really not sure what you are on about. My link works http://www.alistapart.com/topics/accessibility/ -- Peter Williams ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] Help with a simple (?) problem
From: Chris Kennon I meant on a core style-sheet, and what does bump mean? Lea de Groot wrote: (In other words 'bump' ;)) Bumping the topic back to the top, used more in web forums that email lists. -- Peter Williams winmail.dat
RE: [WSG] Hot Topic: HTML design [was Reason for leaving]
From: Patrick Lauke http://www-128.ibm.com/developerworks/xml/library/x-eleatt.html (not that it makes the advice any less valuable, but I love how they seem to have some unclosed bold tag there in the markup somewhere...) libIf the information should not be normalized for white space, use elements./b (XML processors normalize attributes in ways that can change the raw text of the attribute value.)b//li -- Peter Williams ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] html design - best practices
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] they are not anchoring anything. strong isn't what i want and b is deprecated (?), so what is the practice to highlight a word or words? Using boldface or italics is the usual method. These are semantically represented by the strong and em markup. Other options might be to change the colour or shade of the text, or to give it a different background colour or shade. Underlining is a bit problematic in that it runs through the descenders of letters that have them and can make reading more difficult. It is a bit ugly to my mind too, as well as being potentially confusing in a web context since links are underlined by default. As soon as you stray from em and strong you are probably going to lose the emphasis of your text for users of non-visual browsers and other non-standard devices that can't convey the changed colour or shade to the user. I can tell you are having trouble describing what you want to do and possibly why. Is it possible that you could give us an example and some context so that we can understand a bit more? -- Peter Williams ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] Help with navigation
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The subnav in my site: http://learnline.cdu.edu.au/wip/tog/background/introduction.html should look like this: http://learnline.cdu.edu.au/wip/tog/navtest.html. but I cannot get it to work. Helen, It is working nicely for me in IE6/Win and FF1.06/Win. What problems are you seeing? -- Peter Williams ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] Help with navigation
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I can't see the currenttopic i.e. introduction being highlighted.. Ahhh, Now I see what you mean. You're missing the class=currenttopic from the item you want highlighted as the current position. Your example page has: lia href=introduction.html class=currenttopicIntroduction/a/li Your real page has: lia href=introduction.htmlIntroduction/a/li -- Peter Williams ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] html design - best practices
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ben Curtis wrote: b class=bookTitleInnocents Abroad/b Then style the class as you see fit. ...i think that this is the solution. although i said a list of book titles i was not meaning li list. If it is indeed a list, why not mark it up as a list? You could give the list a class and style it to suit your requirements, it need not appear as a bulleted or numbered vertical list. -- Peter Williams ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] Site Check: VVE
From: Tom Livingston So, XHTML 1.1 is bad because? Is there an issue that XHTML 1.1 should be served as media type application/xhtml+xml and should not be served as text/html? http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml-media-types/ As I understand it current browsers aren't well equipped to deal with the former media type and thus XHTML 1.1 is not a sensible choice for documents served to the web using public. -- Peter Williams ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
