Re: [WSG] IE7 Issues - The Final Three
Hi Cole,
Bug no. 1
You may need to re-think the mark-up a little. Check this article
http://brenelz.com/blog/squish-the-internet-explorer-z-index-bug/
Bug no. 2
add this to your current stylesheet to trigger hasLayout for that element.
html #formNav {height: 1%;}
If you have a specific IE stylesheet then:
#formNav {height: 1%;}
Hope this helps.
Sean
On Sat, Sep 24, 2011 at 1:46 PM, Cole Kuryakin c...@koisis.com wrote:
Hello All -
After more than a day I've been able to successfully quash all ie7 issues
except for three.
I'm hoping that someone can guide me to a solution for these remaining
problems.
Live development site is here: www.koisis.com/index.php
Z-INDEX OF POSITIONED HR
Looking at the home page (above) in FF, IE8 or IE9, you'll see that the
green HR rule (directly below Welcome to Our World) flows BEHIND the
little green geko. This is as it's suppose to be.
In IE7, however, the rule is ABOVE the geko.
Z-index issues are well documented for IE7 but try as I might - using all
of
the documentation I've read on IE7-z - I can't get this hr to go beneath
the
Geko.
POSITIONED WRAPPER EFFECT, COPYRIGHT LINE AND FOOTER NAV
Again, if you look at the bottom of the home page (above) in FF, IE8 or IE9
you'll see a graphical wrapper effect (visually defining the bottom of the
wrapper div) as well as a copyright line and footer nav UL. This is how
it's
suppose to look. In IE7 however, all three elements vanish. Hours and hours
of research and css/structure re-writing have not gotten me anywhere.
MYSTERY PADDING/MARGIN (WHATEVER) on LI button
I've got two rectangular buttons (cancel and submit) on the contact page
(http://www.koisis.com/index.php?cmd=01.09.00.01lac=en-us).
In FF these buttons look as it should. In IE7 however, neither buttons are
in alignment.
The Cancel button is an LI, the Submit button is a form input button.
Again, hours of searching and css tweaking have resulted in nothing more
than additional hair-loss.
If anyone can suggest ways to one or more of these issues in IE7 i'd be
hugely grateful.
Thanks to all in advance.
Cole
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[WSG] Mobile testing methods or emulators
Hi All, I was wondering if anyone could give me an idea how to test sites for mobiles? I'd like to test Blackberry, HTC and IPhone and I was wondering what methods and or tools other people are using for this? Thanks in advance. Sean *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] Mobile testing methods or emulators
Hi All, Thanks for the answers. I think the media queries could be the way to go. I'll give it a try. Cheers On Sun, Mar 27, 2011 at 2:51 PM, Kristaps Ancāns kristaps.anc...@gmail.comwrote: Use Google Chrome and add different user-agent scripts/texts/parameters + user CSS3 media queries. You will allways find what you want using those two things. Ar cieņu, Kristaps Ancāns Mob.: +371 29831831 E-pasts: kristaps.anc...@gmail.com Skype: kristaps.ancans Web: www.fyfi.net, www.metalguide.org On Sun, Mar 27, 2011 at 01:11, Steve Green steve.gr...@testpartners.co.uk wrote: We use two online services - www.perfectomobile.com and www.deviceanywhere.com. These are not emulators - in both cases you are remotely controlling real phones. The theory is great but in practice both services are painful to use for all kinds of reasons including: 1. There is a significant delay between pressing a button and seeing anything change. 2. The display takes a while to update, which makes it difficult to control dynamic content and watch video. 3. Sometimes we could not work out how to interact with the phones. For instance one phone was locked and it took ten minutes to figure out the combination of keypresses (of unlabelled buttons) that was required to unlock it. If you are not already familiar with the phone you are controlling, this is a significant issue. 4. On several phones we were able to open a browser but could not work out how to enter a URL. The smartphones mostly support touch, so you can interact using a mouse, but you can't do that on the more basic phones. The support information is poor on both websites. 5. Security is a concern because we are often working under NDA for major brands on highly secret product releases. Perfecto Mobile simply say that anything you do might be seen by other people, so don't do anything you wouldn't want made public. Device Anywhere claim that each session is private and that they have some sort of cleaning process before the next person uses the phone. However, on one occasion I could see everything that someone else was doing (in real time as they were doing it) and I could not control the phone. Somehow our sessions had got mixed up, which gave me no confidence in their security. 6. Overall it takes much longer to perform any given task - typically 3 to 10 times longer than you could do the task using a desktop browser. Even typing URLs was taking a couple of minutes (they typically contained 50 characters or so), so we had to use a URL shortening service to speed that up. Good luck and let us know if you find a better service. Steve Green Director Test Partners Ltd From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org on behalf of Sean K Sent: Sun 27/03/2011 00:28 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: [WSG] Mobile testing methods or emulators Hi All, I was wondering if anyone could give me an idea how to test sites for mobiles? I'd like to test Blackberry, HTC and IPhone and I was wondering what methods and or tools other people are using for this? Thanks in advance. Sean *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** -- Kind regards, Sean Kerr Web Developer M: 0418 697 201 E: bullr...@gmail.com W: http://www.seankerr.com To look where you're going is to be motivated by fear. To go where you're looking is to be driven by desire, confidence and vision. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] Mobile testing methods or emulators
HI Thierry, Unfortunately the company I work does not allow you to install 3rd party apps or SDK's without cutting through a fair bit of red tape. Sean On Sun, Mar 27, 2011 at 3:37 PM, Thierry Koblentz thierry.koble...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks for the answers. I think the media queries could be the way to go. I'll give it a try. Did you try to download the SDKs? I installed the IOS Simulator and it works well (runs faster though). -- Regards, Thierry @thierrykoblentz www.tjkdesign.com | www.ez-css.org | www.css-101.org *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** -- Kind regards, Sean Kerr Web Developer M: 0418 697 201 E: bullr...@gmail.com W: http://www.seankerr.com To look where you're going is to be motivated by fear. To go where you're looking is to be driven by desire, confidence and vision. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] Content Management issue ?
On Mon May 28 11:44 , 'Kevin Ross' <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> sent: Can anyone lend a hand? Thanks very much... I like MODx = http://www.modxcms.com/ It is intuitive and flexible. It is an excellent mid-range general purpose CMS (and, it has blog features). Sean -- Sean Fraser http://www.elementary-group-standards.com ***List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfmUnsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfmHelp: [EMAIL PROTECTED]***
Re: [WSG] CSS and Flash
Hi i'm not a hundred percent sure on this but there's a website which may be of use: http://www.dezwozhere.com/links.html scroll down to the section on embed multimedia, it has info on how to embed flash using CSS. hope this helps _ Are you using the latest version of MSN Messenger? Download MSN Messenger 7.5 today! http://messenger.msn.co.uk ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] Problems styling dl's
Hi all, I am very partial to definition lists for staff lists and staff profiles but I'm having some problems getting them to work. Eg. http://www.business.ecu.edu.au/schools/mtl/staff/index.htm and http://www.business.ecu.edu.au/schools/mtl/staff/spettigrew.htm In IE I get the 3px jog and in FF dd's that are shorter than their corresponding dt float upwards messing up the alignment. I've tried applying the 3px jog fix but either the whole page falls apart or theres no change. CSS: http://www.business.ecu.edu.au/styles/profile.css Is this doable or should I be looking for an alternative way to make lists? I would like to make it work. Regards, Sean. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] Misbehaving DL in TD
Hi all, This page (http://www.business.ecu.edu.au/users/sean/webdev/flobo.htm) has a styled DL in a table. In IE the 2nd, 3rd, etc DDs for each DT slip left under the DT. FF doesn't do this. If I remove everything except the DL list styling it works (http://www.business.ecu.edu.au/users/sean/webdev/deflist.htm) Any suggestions? http://www.business.ecu.edu.au/styles/profiles.css http://www.business.ecu.edu.au/styles/common.css http://www.business.ecu.edu.au/styles/subpage.css http://www.business.ecu.edu.au/styles/subcommon.css I would also appreciate comments on the semantic correctness of this use of a DL. Regards, Sean. smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature
Re: CLOSED Re: [WSG] Firefox Promotion
for anything good to spread in a network it takes lots of small voices, not one big one. Nice one Trovester, (though don't forget to sniff for other (not windows) OS's) Sean On 23/10/2004, at 3:53 PM, James Ellis wrote: Offlist please, this has nothing do with the implementation of web standards. Mozilla vs * discussions are best left for places like mozillazine.org. Don't request to keep things like this on the list or your account will be unsubscribed - that's not a threat, we are just trying to keep this list on -topic with a manageable volume of traffic. If you were discussing how you implemented your website to be XHTML 1.0 strict then thats ok. Regards James Trovster wrote: I have started a little site for the promotion of Firefox http://firefox.trovster.com But as you can see it's pretty thin at the moment. I have added my favourite extensions, with links and short descriptions to the customise section, and links to other resources in the links section (funny that!). I am looking for some help in writing some motivational words in the about and why sections. I have outlined some sections I would like in the why section but I would like some help writing it. Also, send me information on more articles and favourite extensions/themes etc. If anyone can help, you can either email me personally or keep it on the list. Thanks Trevor Morris ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Firefox Promotion
for anything good to spread in a network it takes lots of small voices, not one big one. Nice one Trovester, (though don't forget to sniff for other (not windows) OS's) Sean On 23/10/2004, at 3:34 AM, Patrick Lauke wrote: From: Trovster I have started a little site for the promotion of Firefox http://firefox.trovster.com Not to sound like a party pooper, but...why not spend energy contributing to the official http://www.spreadfirefox.com, rather than fragmenting the landscape with a separate new site? I'm all for diversity and variety, but I think what we need is a concerted, focussed, single-minded effort rather than lots of small competing ones... IMHO, of course. Patrick Patrick H. Lauke Webmaster / University of Salford http://www.salford.ac.uk ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Semantics of Breadcrumb you are here links
er, maybe it's my 'listless' disposition but why would you put a breadcrumb in a list? The usual gt; seperators seem ideal, and if you disable styles it is still a breadcrumb; what is the obsession with putting everything in a list? Sean On 15/10/2004, at 9:43 PM, Gavin Cooney wrote: Hi all, Apologies if this has been asked on WSG before, but I was wondering the general opinion on the most correct semantic way of coding breadcrumb trails. There's many webpages dealing with this: http://www.simplebits.com/notebook/2004/02/23/sqxii_conclusion.html http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=mozclientie=utf-8oe=utf -8q=semantic+breadcrumb I've seen arguements for: 1. ul list 2. Nested ul list Several lists nested (seems like a bit of a pain to me) ul lia href=/Home/a ul lia href=/articles/Articles/a ul lia href=/articles/file.htmlTitle/a/li /ul /li /ul /li /ul 3. ol ordered list I suppose if it's a list at all, it's an ordered list? 4. dl definition list such as used in this page http://www.baekdal.com/example.asp (actually this is a good example of using dls for everything) At the moment i've been just putting them in a p class=breadcrumb or div class=breadcrumb and putting a / or etc between each link. This is not perfect, i know. So what do you think? How do you do your breadcrumbs? Gav ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] CSS caching problem in IE and Firefox
Hi all, I am having this caching problem everytime I update my CSS file and the browser suddenly stop showing the new changes. This only happens in IE and Firefox occasioinally. I realised it straight away it's a caching problem but often clearing the cache (or temporary internet files in IE) doesn't make any difference. The only browser that I know that does work everytime though is Opera. But for IE and Firefox, I sometimes have to wait for 10 or 15 minutes before I hit refresh then only it will register the new changes. I use Firefox mainly for my browsing but always check my pages in IE and Opera. Is there anything I can do when this problem occur again for IE and Firefox? Lil' annoyed, Sean. http://w3csites.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] commonly used order of styles within a css class
Does anyone know if there is a common way of listing styles in CSS? I don't mean the order of a:hover a: visited, or the order of specification. I am thinking more of some logical order that would be helpful to anyone else working on stylesheets I have created. For example, perhaps the font and inline information is first, the block, padding and margin information next, and then the positioning. In the same way that naming conventions of CSS classes and IDs is helpful, is anyone aware of any logical or consistent order in which the styles are displayed in CSS? ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] A California meeting? was Brisbane July Meeting - Report
On Tue, 20 Jul 2004 09:10:52 +1000, Lachlan Hardy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So if, as someone suggested (Peter again?), everyone were to put the closest major city they are willing to attend a meeting at, those numbers might increase a bit Good idea. I've changed my location from Castro Valley to San Francisco. Maybe other Californians would do the same? -- Sean A Corfield -- http://www.corfield.org/blog/ If you're not annoying somebody, you're not really alive. -- Margaret Atwood * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
Re: [WSG] A California meeting? was Brisbane July Meeting - Report
On Sat, 17 Jul 2004 09:52:55 -0700, Tricia Fitzgerald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What about a more central USA location like Chicago, IL? I suspect we'll end up having a whole bunch of regional meetings if this is going to happen at all. I'm in the Bay Area, California and Sacramento is *just* within reasonable reach to hold an evening meeting, for *some* parts of the Bay Area. San Francisco is more central (indeed, BACFUG - Bay Area ColdFusion User Group - meets in SF and gets folks from Sacramento sometimes even tho' they have their own UG). I can see a Bay Area WSG meeting drawing folks from all over the Bay Area - Sacramento to San Jose and maybe a little further afield. I can also see an Orange County WSG meeting drawing folks from the greater LA area and down as far as San Diego. I don't see folks from the West Coast going to Chicago just for a WSG meeting - a full-blown two day conference maybe, but not just a meeting. Same with the East Coast folks (there should be a good concentration of them to make a 'local' DC-based meeting worthwhile I'd expect). Question to Peter - is the city/state level membership information available in aggregate so we can figure out what might work for regional US meetings? * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
Re: [WSG] xforms
On Thu, 1 Jul 2004 08:57:08 +1000, Barry Beattie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It seems that the next version of ColdFusion will be using XForms as a version of CFFORM / Correct. According to what has been demo'd you will be able to auto-generate XForms from a simple form specification using cfform and the 'skinning' is done server side (by specifying an XSL file in cfform). If you're targetting an XForm-capable browser, I guess you could supply an empty XSL transform... * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
[WSG] Temporary unsubsription
Title: Temporary unsubsription I need to temporarily unsubscribe from this mailing list. I will be in Ireland until July 29th and I won't have many chances to read my mail, and I would use up all my space. Therefore I need to unsubscribe from this list until July 29th. Thank you. Dante R. Evans: The Bo$$ Also known by his pen name, "Sean M. Hall" San Francisco and Atomic Bomb History Standards-based Design and Development 7 years of Piano Expertise .5 years of self-taught guitar experience Opera 7 Afficiando [sp?] "Wir Müssen die Verordnungswidrige Browser Aüsrotten"
[WSG] Lost password - how do i get a new one?
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[WSG] IE 7 Promo Images
Title: [WSG] IE 7 Promo Images Hey guys. Yerba Buena Web Design (my own small design agency, which hasn't even officially opened yet) has created two IE 7 Promo Images. Dean Edwards modified the first one (to fit his layout and design) and made it the official IE 7 Logo. http://www.geocities.com/seanmhall2003/ie7.html I'd like your opinion on these two images (please remember that I'm a beginner at design). I hope you like them :)
RE: [WSG] What to do?
Title: RE: [WSG] What to do? Best by Example... That's what I was going to do (in fact, I came really close, but a certain browser interfered and I gave up). Perhaps I'll try when I come back from Ireland. He'll have to pay me in Sunflower Seeds (my latest addiction) since I'm under the legal drinking age in California.
RE[WSG] Standards Compliance -vs- User Enjoyment
Title: RE[WSG] Standards Compliance -vs- User Enjoyment The last part of my mail should've read "I was never good with animation"; sorry for the error (it's 11:30 PM here in San Francisco right now).
RE:[WSG] What Editors do you guys use?
Title: RE:[WSG] What Editors do you guys use? I use Notepad. I like to KISS (Keep it Simple Stupid).
[WSG] Which editors do you guys recommend?
Title: [WSG] Which editors do you guys recommend?
I've been searching for a good editor (don't say BBEdit) that has syntax highlighting and will not insert stuff (like if I type '(' in a script tag the editor will insert a ')' right after it, I don't like that).
Until then it's note pad for me.
[WSG] Ten Questions for whomever
Title: Ten Questions for whomever With the WSG "Ten Questions for Whomever" thing, do you have to ask to be intervied or does someone ask you if you can be interviewed?
[WSG] Help with positioning
OK I guess I need to re-state my problem. I Have a fixed amount of space (55px) at the top of my page. I need to have my navigation anchored to the bottom of that 55px space. What I have is 2 divs nested in another div. The top div is for info on who is logged in the bottom div has another div(topnav) for navigation. My problem is getting the navigation to be anchored to the bottom of its container. I can get it to work for one browser but not the other. Any suggestions? http://sean.ashtonweb.com/test/top.html Thanks, -Sean Sean Sullivan-Daley [EMAIL PROTECTED] * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
Re: [WSG] Help with positioning
I have found another way to do this that is working. I would love to see what I did wrong in this example if anyone knows. Thanks for the help. -Sean On Tuesday, May 25, 2004, at 08:21AM, Sean Sullivan-Daley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OK I guess I need to re-state my problem. I Have a fixed amount of space (55px) at the top of my page. I need to have my navigation anchored to the bottom of that 55px space. What I have is 2 divs nested in another div. The top div is for info on who is logged in the bottom div has another div(topnav) for navigation. My problem is getting the navigation to be anchored to the bottom of its container. I can get it to work for one browser but not the other. Any suggestions? http://sean.ashtonweb.com/test/top.html Thanks, -Sean Sean Sullivan-Daley [EMAIL PROTECTED] * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help * Sean Sullivan-Daley [EMAIL PROTECTED] * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
[WSG] Nested lists, CSS, and Firefox
Ok Here's another one.
Can you style nested lists in Firefox like the example below?
Example: #subnav li ul li { }
This seems to work in IE 6 but I can't get it to work in Firefox or Safari. Is there a
work around for this or am I once again overlooking something.
I read Styling Nested Lists -
http://www.simplebits.com/archives/2003/10/19/styling_nested_lists.html but I couldn't
get that to work in Firefox either.
Here is an example. It works how I would like it to in IE but not in Firefox.
http://sean.ashtonweb.com/test/test.html
Thanks,
-Sean
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RE: [WSG] Nested lists, CSS, and Firefox
Will, Thanks for the insight. I had my nested ul outside of an li. Took me forever to spot it but it like works now. Thanks again for the help. I swear it was valid when i created it ;-) -Sean On Tuesday, May 25, 2004, at 02:05PM, Chatham, Will [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Sean, You might try fixing the XHTML and CSS validation errors as a starting point to rule them out as a source of the problem. Will Chatham Webmaster Ingles Markets ooOo-o www.ingles-markets.com -- Ok Here's another one. Can you style nested lists in Firefox like the example below? * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help * Sean Sullivan-Daley [EMAIL PROTECTED] * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
[WSG] CSS Positioning of Navigation
CSS Positioning of Navigation I am having a problem with IE again. I am trying to create a framed top navigation. It seems to work in Safari/Firefox the way I intended. The only way I can seem to get it to work in IE 6 is to add padding to the HeadNav id this pushed the nav donw in Safari/Firefox. Here is an example http://sean.ashtonweb.com/test/ (css is embedded in the top.html) Any suggestions? Thanks -Sean Sean Sullivan-Daley [EMAIL PROTECTED] * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
[WSG] BHP site at maximum text-size in IE6, side box inconsistent width
http://www.bhpbilliton.com/bb/home/home.jsp I'm refering to the right hand boxes. The Subscription Services box is pushing the div wider, but is there a way to make the div above as wide...? Cheers, Sean http://reikan.com +61 3 9419 6745 +61 414 751 225 * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
Re: [WSG] Browser Stats - What a shock!
On Mar 24, 2004, at 8:33 PM, Kym Kovan wrote: I just did a test on 3 sites here, one very local, one national and one global. (very rounded numbers) Just for comparison, here's the stats from my blog and my website (which is tracked separated to the blog): blogsite IE6.x 51% 67.5% IE5.x5% 4% NS5.x 44% 24.5% NS3.x3% Konq3.x 1% The Moz browsers are rolled into the NS5.x category (courtesy of SiteMeter: http://www.sitemeter.com/ ). This represents a fairly technical audience for both areas (the site has C++ and CF / Mach II information on it; the blog is, well, more CF / Mach II stuff!). The site (apart from the blog) gets about 3,500 visitors a month viewing about 10,000 pages, the blog gets about 18,000 visitors a month viewing about 20,000 pages. Regards, Sean * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
Re: [WSG] dreamweaver
On Mar 16, 2004, at 8:45 PM, Phillips, Wendy wrote: - validate in the program itself as strict /transitional etc One gotcha is that DW doesn't spot the following problem: a href=index.cfm?event=fooarg=barfoobar/a (It should convert to amp; in this or at least warn that it is non-compliant) Apart from that, it's pretty solid in terms of standards. Regards, Sean * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ *
Re: [WSG] Coding Standard...
On Feb 28, 2004, at 4:37 PM, Chris Stratford wrote:
well - I dont understand why whenever I read someones code - its
using the goofy method...
I mean - if most people prefer the lined up method...
Most people *who have expressed a preference here* - that is not most
people :)
A lot of code examples out there use either the inline style:
.foo { some : thing; }
(usually to conserve space on the page) or this style which is very
common in Java, JavaScript and a lot of C and C++ code:
.foo {
some : thing;
}
Because of my C / C++ / Java background, I tend to use the latter style
in CSS because that's what most other folks around me do (i.e., I am
consistent with their code). Personally, I do prefer the BSD method
but I just don't use it much! :)
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Re: [WSG] Coding Standard...
On Feb 28, 2004, at 5:10 PM, Chris Stratford wrote: I said MOST people, because on teh website that James sent over. They say that thy have conducted Polls etc... It's like the cat food commercial... they used to say 8 out of 10 owners said their cats prefer Whiskas and after a while they were forced to say 8 out of 10 owners who expressed a preference said their cats prefer Whiskas... I'd be interested to know how many people actually responded to those polls... I mean, they didn't ask *me*... I didn't even know about it. For much of the early 90's I used to write coding standards for a living and conduct code audits. Folks got very religious about brace styles, indentation and naming convention - three of the least important aspects of a good coding standard (in my opinion). Consistency is the only defensible position for those subjects. As for the other stuff, they were happy to be advised what to do (I'm talking about guidelines for complexity, cohesion, coupling, coding for maintenance...). Anyway, it's interesting to know that people actually do care about brace style in the CSS world! :) Sean A Corfield -- http://www.corfield.org/blog/ The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man. -- George Bernard Shaw * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ *
Re: [WSG] reply to Safari question
On Mar 3, 2004, at 10:07 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry, but why is everyone so enthused about safari?, Because it's a very good, very fast browser. And it's very well integrated with OS X. The debug menu is extremely useful: it can pretend to be a bunch of different browsers, it has a basic load test engine built in, it can show the DOM tree... After my frustrations I use Mozilla firebird. That's good too. I use it as my second browser for those few reticent sites that just don't know a standard when it bites them on the nose (e.g., Microsoft Exchange WebMail). I just don't like the UI as much. This means that when you develop for a company, you can do their profile on the browser. ... just imagine how stoked they would be with their corporate Branding running all browsers on their network. Maybe times have changed but that never seemed to appeal to any company I've ever dealt with... :) Regards, Sean * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ *
