Re: [WSG] JS Percentages?
Thank you. This is a very helpful answer. At 12:08 AM 5/10/2004, Ryan Christie wrote: YoYoEtc wrote: And if some users do indeed disable it, what sort of code do you put it as an alternative to get the site to do what you want it to do? Server-side languages such as PHP or ASP. JS is a client language because it's dependant on a user's browser to supply the processing power for whatever facet, most commonly the ability to process JavaScript or X/HTML. Some may not understand the nature of a server-side, so here is an explanation. Say you want to output the result from a calculation. The calculation could be, for instance, adding two and two together. If it is written in JavaScript, the page will be sent out containing the yet-to-be-run JavaScript code asking the user's browser to call up its JS powers, process the code, and display the answer 4. If it is written in PHP, when the browser makes a call to the server to pick up a copy of your web page, the web server your files reside on will take the page and process it before sending out any data to the user's browser. After being computed, the page will be sent out to the user with the answer in place. If you open up a page that has been processed using PHP or ASP, you will not see any indications that a script was previously running. You will simply see, for example, a paragrpah containing the number 4 below a previously unsolved equation. Due to taking the processing responsibility off your user's browser and placing it on the server, universal computation is ensured since patrons are fed the end results in HTML. PS thanks Mario for the statistics -Ryan * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help * - Tina * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
Re: [WSG] digital web magazine redesign
I did a similar thing for a site I am about to design. I have been looking at various sites for ideas re color, layout, features, etc. and created a folder for sites I admire in my favorites. This help me narrow down the ideas I could use on the new site. At 02:03 AM 5/14/2004, Nick Lo wrote: As an example with regards to those alistapart things cited above I put them in a mental bookmark filed under...that would be good for the upcoming project X. This same process is done in programming where you build a library (mental or digital) of useful stuff. - Tina * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
Re: [WSG] digital web magazine redesign
May I ask what sort of design books you use for inspiration? I have wondered myself where to get inspiration from. So far, I just scout around the Internet and look for other sites in the same industry or of the same subject matter. However, I tend to think that limits my brain somewhat i.e. when they are all of the same flavor. I'd like to find some sources of original inspiration but I don't know where to look for that. At 01:16 AM 5/14/2004, Universal Head wrote: While I'm doing this I flip through some of my big collection of design books for inspiration, and bookmark things that seem relevant. Not I'm going to use this rounded-corner trick but I like the way this design uses flat colour or large type next to big spaces. - Tina * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
RE: [WSG] Flash Intros in General (was Looking for feedback on new AP)
If one thing on a web site infuriates me, it is those Flash intros! I skip away from them whenever I can and if there is no option to skip the intro, then I end up closing the site and going somewhere else. My time is too valuable to sit there and wait for these things to play. They serve no worthwhile purpose to the viewer. (IMHO) At 08:33 AM 5/11/2004, Chatham, Will wrote: Is the splash screen really needed? Seems it just introduces one extra step to getting inside the site, which in today's world, could be one too many. Personally, I would rethink having 'requirements' on the splash screen as well. One benefit of using web standards is to do away with requirements. - Tina * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
Re: [WSG] Font Sizes
My monitor is set for 1042x768. I understand what you are saying about fonts taken from an elementary schoolbook. Those can be even more annoying. I am referring to fonts that appear to be perhaps a 6 or 7 point size on screen. Honestly, you can hardly read some of them. What is ctrl+scrollwheel? I have a Logitech mouse with a scrollwheel in the middle (which I rarely use - was raised in DOS times with old fashined mouse grin) At 03:45 PM 5/9/2004, Rimantas Liubertas wrote: Y Initially, I thought perhaps it was because I was using a four-year old Y monitor. Well, I bought a new computer just four months ago, along with a Y new 19-inch monitor - and nothing has changed! The size of the font on the screen depends more on resolution you've set for your monitor, than on its size. Y Is it a new trend to try to make fonts as microscopic as possible? To me, Y that would be against any feasible standard of good usability. Frankly, I've tired of all this endless dancing around font sizes long ago. I'm am using Firefox and ctrl+scrollwheel takes all the fuss away. Usability depends on many things too. Talk about line length, line height, font outline, colors etc. Still I like smaller fonts more than those making text to look like it's been taken from the elementary schoolbook. All said represents my position as the web user, not developer. * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
Re: [WSG] Font Sizes
Is Firefox yet another browser? In designing sites, are there other browsers I need to take into consideration other than Internet Explorer, Netscape, Mozilla, Opera and WebTV? At 03:45 PM 5/9/2004, Rimantas Liubertas wrote: Frankly, I've tired of all this endless dancing around font sizes long ago. I'm am using Firefox and ctrl+scrollwheel takes all the fuss away. Usability depends on many things too. Talk about line length, line height, font outline, colors etc. * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
Re: [WSG] Font Sizes
So this means I only need to proof it in one of Firefox, Mozilla or Netscape, not all three. Is that correct? At 04:19 PM 5/9/2004, Felix Miata wrote: Firefox, Mozilla and Netscape are all the same Gecko rendering engine. Netscape 6/7 are simply older versions. -- ** Tina * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
Re: [WSG] JS Percentages?
And if some users do indeed disable it, what sort of code do you put it as an alternative to get the site to do what you want it to do? At 11:23 PM 5/9/2004, Ryan Christie wrote: I wouldn't trust JS as far as I could throw it (can you throw code?) ... but is there a statistic on how many users actually disable it in their browsers? Is it possible to sniff that out, and if so, how many users per group are we talking about? - Tina * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
[WSG] Form Data into Table/Database
I am wondering what to do about collecting data from form input into a database/table automatically. I asked my host if they support ASP and here's the response - We do not support ASP, that is a window platform. You could actually us php and mysql. We do support php snd mysql. Any ideas what I can do or is there a way around this so I don't have to retype all the data from all these forms into a database? Also, since they want PHP or SQL, which is easiest to learn? Is SQL the same thing as MYSQL? * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
[WSG] First Post - Help with Graphic on Home Page
Hello Everyone: This is my first post to this list and I do hope it is not off topic. I am creating a web site and am working on the home page (fairly new web designer, too). Normally, I make the page small so it can be seen by older monitors but this time I wanted to see if I could have it fill the entire page, no matter which monitor it was being viewed on. I am hitting two problems. 1 - I can't get the blended image at the bottom of the large horizontal graphic at the top to slide right over to jut up against the left column. 2 - Even though I have selected 100% for the size of the table, there is still white space above the horizontal graphic and to the left of the vertical graphic. My cell padding and spacing are already set to zero. I put the page on another site of mine so you can see it - http://www.fourpawstrail.com/newsite/index.html Can anyone help? T * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
Re: [WSG] First Post - Help with Graphic on Home Page
Yes, I found out what was wrong. I didn't know you had to put the width and height in the cell tag as well as in the img src tag :) Re designing for 800x 600 or 1024x768, I think I will do that. From what I am reading, stretching the city horizontal graphic will degrade the quality and I can't take that risk When you design for, say, 800x600, do you have to put that in the body anywhere? At 06:47 PM 5/5/2004, Ryan Christie wrote: I'm not clear to what your problem is from the email? You have 3 graphics (at least the only three that are showing up in FFox + IE6). One is a solid purple column, one is a city and is horizontal, and the other is a purple to white blender for the city bottom edge. In FFox and IE, your blender image does slide up against the vertical purple image. In FFox and IE, there is no whitespace separating either the horizontal or verical cells from the edge of the browser window. A shot of your site with the cells outlined from Firefox: http://www.theward.net/screenshot.gif I always design for an 800x600 resolution, which last I saw was the mid-line standard for the majority of users' screen resolutions, although I'd figure with technology advancing its probably a safe bet to design for 1024x768 as well. HTH. Cheers -Ryan YoYoEtc wrote: Hello Everyone: This is my first post to this list and I do hope it is not off topic. I am creating a web site and am working on the home page (fairly new web designer, too). Normally, I make the page small so it can be seen by older monitors but this time I wanted to see if I could have it fill the entire page, no matter which monitor it was being viewed on. I am hitting two problems. 1 - I can't get the blended image at the bottom of the large horizontal graphic at the top to slide right over to jut up against the left column. 2 - Even though I have selected 100% for the size of the table, there is still white space above the horizontal graphic and to the left of the vertical graphic. My cell padding and spacing are already set to zero. I put the page on another site of mine so you can see it - http://www.fourpawstrail.com/newsite/index.html Can anyone help? T * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help * * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help * * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
Re: [WSG] First Post - Help with Graphic on Home Page
Thank you for all the good tips!! I am a relative beginner but I love it!! I am just learning CSS, too. At 08:31 PM 5/5/2004, Ryan Christie wrote: Re designing for 800x 600 or 1024x768, I think I will do that. From what I am reading, stretching the city horizontal graphic will degrade the quality and I can't take that risk Yes, stretching out the image manually by forcing widthheight properties on the tag itself with distort and pixelize it. Never use false height and width values to shrink or expand an image. Use Photoshop, PaintShopPro, or [insert your favorite graphic editing software here] to alter the image's actual size. Nothing screams amateur more than a 2.5MB JPEG whose actual dimensions are 1800x1600, with it set to display at 320x240 size. If the publisher actually took the time to shrink the image, it would look better and be vastly smaller. I don't have any spcific examples off the top of my head, but I'm sure everyone has run into this on more than one occasion and rolled their eyes into the back of their head. When you design for, say, 800x600, do you have to put that in the body anywhere? When I was using tables to lay stuff out, I always drew out the cells on a piece of paper and figured out the widths of each cell in pixel units, never exceeding 800px on the widths. I still do the same with CSS but use divs instead of cells. Don't bother setting width to your table tag. Leave it blank. The table will expand to fit the cells placed inside of it. Take care with your table cells; simply limit yourself to 800px in added width (eg., an 800px header cell, a 200px left cell, 600px right cell, 800px bottom footer space). You won't have to declare the resolution you aim for like you would declare your DOCTYPE at the top of the page or the character set in the metas. The limitations apply to the rules you set for yourself. So if you go over 800 pixels in width, slap yourself around a few times and then come back and try again :) If I made mistakes there, I apologize. I haven't used tables to lay out websites for ages now. I find tabular data tables look just fine sizing themselves with a couple pointers in text alignment and some minor styling. -Ryan * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help * * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
