Re: [WSG] How exactly does IE fall short and where do I find standards-compatibility charts?
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[WSG] How exactly does IE fall short and where do I find standards-compatibility charts?
Hi,
Difficult as it is to believe, this is not a troll. I left the web industry
a few years ago and only started getting back into it now. When I left, IE 5
had just been released and Netscape was starting to get into trouble. Now,
it's IE 6 which is looking more and more like the dinosaur, if all the
reports can be believed.
Now, I agree completely about the security risks. That alone is worth
dumping the browser for. Yet, I want to find out how exactly is IE falling
short of the DOM specs for e.g. Apart from some pet complaints about PNG
support, div border width calculation and default styles (which actually is
different for almost all browsers 'cos I believe no standards ever defined
what the browser defaults should be), I have not been able to find a list of
items that IE falls short of. It would be really educational if there's one
out there.
I had also been scouring the Mozilla web site and I just can't seem to find
a statement that says Firefox is compatible with DOM Level 2, CSS level 2
etc. Is there a checklist that the Mozilla developers tick off and say ok,
check 'getElementsByTagName' for Firefox? Reason for asking this is that
I'd been reading up on the W3C specs and even if I understand them, I'm
still wondering how much of them have been implemented in the current
browsers.
Just to add on, I'd been using Firefox since 6 months ago and it's my
primary browser for everything except internet banking operations ('cos the
banking sites are typically tailored for IE and don't work for any other
browsers, even those running on JSP!!!) I'm convinced that FF is the better
browser, I'm just not able to qualify my preference :) Can somebody point me
as to how?
Thanks for any answers!
Wong
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Re: [WSG] How exactly does IE fall short and where do I find standards-compatibility charts?
Now, I agree completely about the security risks. That alone is worth dumping the browser for. Yet, I want to find out how exactly is IE falling short of the DOM specs for e.g. Apart from some pet complaints about PNG support, div border width calculation and default styles (which actually is different for almost all browsers 'cos I believe no standards ever defined what the browser defaults should be), I have not been able to find a list of items that IE falls short of. It would be really educational if there's one out there. The 'div border width calculation' (by which you probably mean IE's incorrect box model rendering) and default styles are not the main problem as IE6 gets the box model right in standards compliant mode. The biggest problems are probably dealing with the older IE's and IE6's lack of CSS2 support. Craig Saila listed the top 5 things he'd like to change about IE's a while ago that may shed some light on its lack of css support: http://www.saila.com/columns/rants/030523.shtml - min-width and max-width - the child, adjacent sibling, and attribute selectors - the pseudo-elements :before and :after - let pseudo-classes work on all elements, not just the a - and finally, position: fixed If IE6 supported these items, developers could use cleaner, more structurally pure code. And the world would live as one :) Oh, and there are standards for browsers as well, like this sample: http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS2/sample.html Russ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] How exactly does IE fall short and where do I find standards-compatibility charts?
kkk!! Are you saying that expressions in CSS don't work with IE6 SP2??? And, What does H.S. mean? (no punctuation was seriously hurt in the creation ofthis email =) ) Terrence Wood. On 2004-11-30 3:49 PM, Gunlaug Sørtun wrote: Personally, I'd like to see max/min width/height implemented, so I didn't have to use non-standard code-- IE-expressions or regular javascript. This is a must for controlling fluid designs, but Microsoft shut out even their own alternatives with the new SP2 and H.S.. Nice move... The rest is not all that important to me-- at the moment, as I can always find a way around it, or leave it out. However, as I have to leave more and more out because the good browsers can follow up on more and more for each version they launch, while IE6 isn't upgraded at all (just patched a bit), the gap grows wider and wider between what can be done and what most visitors get to see. Georg -- You know you've achieved perfection in design, not when you have nothing more to add, but when you have nothing more to take away. -Antoine de Saint-Exupery ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] How exactly does IE fall short and where do I find standards-compatibility charts?
Terrence Wood wrote: kkk!! Are you saying that expressions in CSS don't work with IE6 SP2??? And, What does H.S. mean? Reports indicate that IE-expressions on my pages fall short in IE6, 5.5, 5.0 in XP-SP2 with High Security setting. H.S. = High Security. I can't test this, as I don't use XP. I'm on win2K-pro and experience no problems. Georg ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] How exactly does IE fall short and where do I find standards-compatibility charts?
That was the case but I use Firefox (and Safari) with no problems with
my bank here in Australia (Westpac)
Regards PAUL ROSS
SkyRocket Design Co http://www.skyrocket.com.au
Just to add on, I'd been using Firefox since 6 months ago and it's my
primary browser for everything except internet banking operations
('cos the banking sites are typically tailored for IE
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Re: [WSG] How exactly does IE fall short and where do I find standards-compatibility charts?
BTW to add to Paul, I've found that Commonwealth Bank, ING Direct, and
Members Equity's netbank services all work fine in Firefox
Neerav
Paul Ross wrote:
That was the case but I use Firefox (and Safari) with no problems with
my bank here in Australia (Westpac)
Regards PAUL ROSS
SkyRocket Design Co http://www.skyrocket.com.au
Just to add on, I'd been using Firefox since 6 months ago and it's my
primary browser for everything except internet banking operations
('cos the banking sites are typically tailored for IE
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