On 4 Feb 2008, at 02:08, Susie Gardner-Brown wrote:
A further query on the longdesc attribute.
Is there any reason why I couldn’t use it on a Flash animation?
Because object doesn't suck as much as img (from a design point
of view, browser implementations rather wreck the idea).
object
. Does anyone have an example I can
check?
Steve
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Maybe I'm confused
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Screen readers do not read Flash content that is embedded using
unobtrusive techniques such as SWFObject. I expect they would read the
content that is supposed to be replaced, but I have never
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It's been a while since I've dealt with the issue of screen reader
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Quoting Steve Green [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Screen readers do not read Flash content that is embedded using
unobtrusive
techniques such as SWFObject. I expect they would read the content
that is
supposed to be replaced, but I have never encountered
Quoting Steve Green [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Screen readers do not read Flash content that is embedded using unobtrusive
techniques such as SWFObject. I expect they would read the content that is
supposed to be replaced, but I have never encountered an implementation
where there was any alternate
Interesting...so what DO you get? Is that with JS enabled?
P
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I
Quoting Steve Green [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Screen readers do not read Flash content that is embedded using
unobtrusive
techniques such as SWFObject. I expect they would read the content
that is
supposed to be replaced, but I have never encountered an
implementation
where there was any alternate
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Interesting...so what DO you get? Is that with JS enabled?
P
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A further query on the longdesc attribute.
Is there any reason why I couldn¹t use it on a Flash animation? It¹d be a
great solution for a current problem where I¹m trying to update an oldish
website to be more accessible. I¹ve got a Flash animation that¹s a list of
(6) headings, each with 3
Christian Snodgrass wrote:
(Most screen readers don't have Javascript enabled, so this is
a valid method).
Just wondering if this is based on stats or empirical evidence?
P
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Mostly empirical evidence, though I've read it in many reliable sources.
Patrick H. Lauke wrote:
Christian Snodgrass wrote:
(Most screen readers don't have Javascript enabled, so this is a
valid method).
Just wondering if this is based on stats or empirical evidence?
P
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Christian
Ah well, for a minute there I got quite excited!! Should have realised I'd
already know about this if it was a real possibility!!
Thanks for all the info ... :)
- susie
On 4/2/08 12:23 PM, Patrick H. Lauke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Susie Gardner-Brown wrote:
A further query on the longdesc
Susie Gardner-Brown wrote:
A further query on the longdesc attribute.
Is there any reason why I couldn’t use it on a Flash animation?
The fact that OBJECT doesn't have a longdesc attribute may be the first
reason why you couldn't...
http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/struct/objects.html#h-13.3
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Mostly empirical evidence, though I've read it in many reliable sources.
Patrick H
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Mostly empirical evidence, though I've read it in many reliable sources.
Patrick H
It looks like longdesc is only a valid attribute for images.
You could use Javascript (with something like SWFObject) to place the
Flash movie. How most work (including SWFObject) is that they actually
replace another element (usually div) to place the Flash. That means, if
Javascript isn't
On 2 Feb 2008, at 06:26, dwain wrote:
i was saddened by the D link being deprecated.
I'm not; as techniques go, it is ugly and confusing. Unless a user is
aware of the convention, they are left wondering what a link labelled
d means.
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i see your point.
On 2/2/08, David Dorward [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 2 Feb 2008, at 06:26, dwain wrote:
i was saddened by the D link being deprecated.
I'm not; as techniques go, it is ugly and confusing. Unless a user is
aware of the convention, they are left wondering what a link
You don't need a longdesc in that example because you're already linking
to it by an anchor.
On Sat, 02 Feb 2008 17:34:09 +1000, dwain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
here's the link to the example:
http://studiokdd.com/sandbox/abstract-christian-art-new-testament.html
i have the jesus and
David Dorward wrote:
On 2 Feb 2008, at 06:26, dwain wrote:
i was saddened by the D link being deprecated.
I'm not; as techniques go, it is ugly and confusing. Unless a user is
aware of the convention, they are left wondering what a
link labelled d means.
Absolutely. I'm puzzled that
On Behalf Of dwain
here's the link to the example:
http://studiokdd.com/sandbox/abstract-christian-art-new-testament.html
i have the jesus and disciples pic set to the long description and the text
link to the larger pic.
any feedback would be appreciated.
Don't you think this
you are saying put the longdesc on the text rather than the image. i will
be adding text saying that if you click the image it will take you to the
longdesc and click the text link to take you to a larger version of the
picture.
i see your point though. i'll give it a try and put the page back
thierry, i do belive that this is more intuitive. thanks for your input. i
think that text saying that the text link leads to a longdesc of the work.
how does that sound to the group. should work well in a screen reader too.
as for the scripting, i have no clue how to do it. my education has
dwain wrote:
you are saying put the longdesc on the text rather than the image. i
will be adding text saying that if you click the image it will take you
to the longdesc and click the text link to take you to a larger version
of the picture.
I'd posit that sighted users, when coming across
excellent suggestion!! i have other plans for the page with the larger
image as far as a description goes, but the link text suggestion is
superb. i wanted a way to let screen readers know that there was a
description of the image for non-sighted, blind, whatever is politically
correct these
On Behalf Of dwain
excellent suggestion!! i have other plans for the page with the larger image
as far as a description goes, but the link text suggestion is
superb. i wanted a way to let screen readers know that there was a
description of the image for non-sighted, blind, whatever is
i do go into some detail about color meanings and the symbolism behind the
work, so i think that it could be of benefit to both sighted and visually
challenged individuals.
dwain
On 2/2/08, Thierry Koblentz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Behalf Of dwain
excellent suggestion!! i have other
If that is the case, you could just use simple links and have a mention
about clicking on the artwork to read an in-depth description.
dwain wrote:
i do go into some detail about color meanings and the symbolism behind
the work, so i think that it could be of benefit to both sighted and
thanks to all of you who have commented on this concern of mine. i really
appreciate the feed back. time to lurk again.
cheers,
dwain
On 2/2/08, Christian Snodgrass [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
If that is the case, you could just use simple links and have a mention
about clicking on the artwork
Longdesc is actually an attribute. It's most commonly used with the img
element, though it works for several other multimedia-related options.
Basically, you just add the attribute to your img tag, and then the
value of the longdesc attribute is the path to the longdesc file.
Here is
Hi Dwain
See Joe Clark's book, Building accessible websites - online at
http://joeclark.org/book/sashay/serialization/Chapter06.html
Elizabeth Spiegel
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thanks christian. i did a google search and found what i was looking for.
i was saddened by the D link being deprecated. don't know how i'm going
to do this, so i've got some testing to do to see how this is going to play
out.
dwain
On 2/2/08, Christian Snodgrass [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
thanks elizabeth. the article was helpful. here's my situation. the image
that i am using is a link to the longdesc. the title text under the image
links to a larger version of the image. now let's ask the standards
compliant question.
with text in the content specifying the difference
here's the link to the example:
http://studiokdd.com/sandbox/abstract-christian-art-new-testament.html
i have the jesus and disciples pic set to the long description and the text
link to the larger pic.
any feedback would be appreciated.
dwain
On 2/2/08, Elizabeth Spiegel [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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