Re: [WSG] Tables for product=price list

2008-08-20 Thread Rick Lecoat
On 11 Aug 2008, at 11:48, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: a list could usually be said to be synonymous with a 'single column table' and conversely, a data table is a set of parallel lists - they are both special cases of each other. I think that Michael has hit the nail on

Re: [WSG] Tables for product=price list

2008-08-11 Thread James Jeffery
Here is the current mark-up h3Body Art/h3 table captionBody Art Price List/caption thead tr thProduct/th thPrice/th /tr

Re: [WSG] Tables for product=price list

2008-08-11 Thread Rob Enslin
Hi James, My understanding is that if the content is tabular data / data list in nature then tables should be used. If your page had a dynamic element to it - say being able to sort your product by price then the best way to mark it up is by tables (IMO)... with JS. Would be interesting to get

Re: [WSG] Tables for product=price list

2008-08-11 Thread silky
On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 6:01 PM, James Jeffery [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In the past I have tryed to avoid tables as much as possible and sometimes going as far as using lists for data that should be placed in tables. I am trying to sway away from the 'never use tables' crowd and have started to

Re: [WSG] Tables for product=price list

2008-08-11 Thread Stuart Foulstone
A list is the most appropriate for a list. The fact that price list states list DOES mean a list should be used - when you use the term list that's what the user then expects it to be. If you don't want to use a list (for whatever pedantic reason) then don't call it one. If you want to use a

Re: [WSG] Tables for product=price list

2008-08-11 Thread James Jeffery
Disagree. Many shopping carts on the web have product lists or summarys marked up in a table. When you look at it from the point of view where one column is the products and the other is the price, and another is VAT per product its more semantic to do it that way. Again, just because something

Re: [WSG] Tables for product=price list

2008-08-11 Thread Stuart Foulstone
On Mon, August 11, 2008 10:38 am, James Jeffery wrote: Disagree. ... Again, just because something is a list does not mean it should be in a list. Take for example students grades. The school needs to list the name, the subject, the expected grade, the outcome (30/30) and a percentage

Re: [WSG] Tables for product=price list

2008-08-11 Thread Rob Enslin
James, sounds like you've answered your own question/doubt then? Perhaps you should head your 'list' as h1Prices/h1 and not h1Price List/h1? 2008/8/11 James Jeffery [EMAIL PROTECTED] Disagree. Many shopping carts on the web have product lists or summarys marked up in a table. When you look

Re: [WSG] Tables for product=price list

2008-08-11 Thread silky
On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 8:20 PM, Stuart Foulstone [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, August 11, 2008 10:38 am, James Jeffery wrote: Disagree. ... Again, just because something is a list does not mean it should be in a list. Take for example students grades. The school needs to list the

Re: [WSG] Tables for product=price list

2008-08-11 Thread James Jeffery
And the same can be said for my example where each row has data relating to the product, size, color info and price. On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 11:20 AM, Stuart Foulstone [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: On Mon, August 11, 2008 10:38 am, James Jeffery wrote: Disagree. ... Again, just because

Re: [WSG] Tables for product=price list

2008-08-11 Thread James Jeffery
Even if it where product and price, as in my origional example, a table is still more semantic because the data in the rows relate to the columns i.e. product and price. On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 11:38 AM, James Jeffery [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And the same can be said for my example where each

Re: [WSG] Tables for product=price list

2008-08-11 Thread James Jeffery
Rob, Yeah I have now after extensive research. I have headed the table with a caption and it uses a h3. There are various parent sections above the table that use h2 and h1. Cheers. On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 11:24 AM, Rob Enslin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: James, sounds like you've answered your

RE: [WSG] Tables for product=price list

2008-08-11 Thread michael.brockington
, 2008 11:38 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Tables for product=price list On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 8:20 PM, Stuart Foulstone [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, August 11, 2008 10:38 am, James Jeffery wrote: Disagree. ... Again, just because something is a list does

Re: [WSG] Tables for product=price list

2008-08-11 Thread Ian Chamberlain
because more than likely it should really be a table; if the table has only one column, check because it may be just a list. - Original Message - From: Rob Enslin To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 11:24 AM Subject: Re: [WSG] Tables for product=price

Re: [WSG] Tables for product=price list

2008-08-11 Thread James Jeffery
Ian and Micheal, you summed up what I was about to write. Some people got really defensive. My argument all along was that a list should not always be marked up as a list as such. Take ebay for example, they even go to the extent of calling their results 'lists'. You can see this on results pages

Re: [WSG] Tables for product=price list

2008-08-11 Thread designer
(a relational list) would be semantically more sound in a table. Bob www.gwelanmor-internet.co.uk - Original Message - From: James Jeffery To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 12:22 PM Subject: Re: [WSG] Tables for product=price list Ian and Micheal, you summed up

Re: [WSG] Tables for product=price list

2008-08-11 Thread Viable Design
I vote table. It's not really a list, regardless of the title you put on it. It's a chart. Jo On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 4:01 AM, James Jeffery [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In the past I have tryed to avoid tables as much as possible and sometimes going as far as using lists for data that should be