Re: [WSG] blockquote

2010-04-04 Thread David Hucklesby
On 4/4/10 2:53 AM, Patrick H. Lauke wrote: ... one thing blockquote does have that q doesn't is also the cite attribute (as minimally useful as it is today). I believe that Q elements do allow the cite attribute. But, as you say, this is rarely useful. Q may be more useful when writing in more

Re: [WSG] blockquote

2010-04-04 Thread T. R. Valentine
On 4 April 2010 04:38, Chris Price wrote: > Blockquote is one of those tags that was badly misused for styling purposes. > Now it can only be used within a block level element, namely p. I like to > use the q tag because it introduces quote marks in Firefox. I do a lot of academic-style essays wh

Re: [WSG] blockquote

2010-04-04 Thread Patrick H. Lauke
On 04/04/2010 10:38, Chris Price wrote: Blockquote is one of those tags that was badly misused for styling purposes. Now it can only be used within a block level element, namely p. I like to use the q tag because it introduces quote marks in Firefox. I can't see what value it now has. Being a bl

Re: [WSG] blockquote

2010-04-04 Thread Chris Price
Blockquote is one of those tags that was badly misused for styling purposes. Now it can only be used within a block level element, namely p. I like to use the q tag because it introduces quote marks in Firefox. I can't see what value it now has. Being a block quote you would assume it is a block e

Re: [WSG] blockquote

2010-04-03 Thread T. R. Valentine
On 3 April 2010 22:26, Gene Falck wrote: > Hi T. R., > > You wrote: > >> Apparently, cannot be used alone. It >> produces 'character data is not allowed here'. What does it need? > > I think I've seen this before and put my text inside a "p" block > inside the "blockquote" to solve the problem.

Re: [WSG] blockquote

2010-04-03 Thread Gene Falck
Hi T. R., You wrote: Apparently, cannot be used alone. It produces 'character data is not allowed here'. What does it need? I think I've seen this before and put my text inside a "p" block inside the "blockquote" to solve the problem. Also, can the tag have a class assigned to it? Once

Re: [WSG] blockquote

2010-04-03 Thread Russ Weakley
Hey Tia The same will happen if you try to validate a page with an empty element, or an empty element. When using a strict doctype, these three elements require a block level element of some type inside them. See these three examples... Empty Form example (HTML 4.01 Strict) http://valid

Re: [WSG] blockquote

2010-04-03 Thread Paul Novitski
At 4/3/2010 07:39 PM, T. R. Valentine wrote: Apparently, cannot be used alone. It produces 'character data is not allowed here'. What does it need? Check the spec: HTML 4.01 Specification 9 Text 9.2 Structured text 9.2.2 Quotations: The BLOCKQUOTE and Q elements http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/st

[WSG] blockquote

2010-04-03 Thread T. R. Valentine
Apparently, cannot be used alone. It produces 'character data is not allowed here'. What does it need? Also, can the tag have a class assigned to it? TIA -- T. R. Valentine Your friends will argue with you. Your enemies don't care. 'When I get a little money I buy books; and if any is left I

Re: [WSG] Blockquote

2009-01-08 Thread James Jeffery
It doesn't. I was supposed to email off list. Back to the question. On Thu, Jan 8, 2009 at 1:58 PM, Andrew Maben wrote: > On Jan 8, 2009, at 8:49 AM, Adam Martin wrote: > > but theft is theft, because someone else does it does not change the law... > > > indeed... > > but I'm losing track of wha

Re: [WSG] Blockquote

2009-01-08 Thread Andrew Maben
On Jan 8, 2009, at 8:49 AM, Adam Martin wrote: but theft is theft, because someone else does it does not change the law... indeed... but I'm losing track of what exactly this has to do with standards? Andrew *** List Guide

Re: [WSG] Blockquote

2009-01-08 Thread Adam Martin
Respect the content owners, ask for their permission to use the content!! - Original Message - From: "David Dorward" mailto:da...@dorward.me.uk>> To: mailto:wsg@webstandardsgroup.org>> Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2009 8:42 AM Subject: Re: [WSG] Bloc

Re: [WSG] Blockquote

2009-01-08 Thread James Jeffery
k for their permission to use the content!! > > > - Original Message - From: "David Dorward" > To: > Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2009 8:42 AM > Subject: Re: [WSG] Blockquote > > > James Jeffery wrote: >> >>> Thanks for the heads up guys. I

RE: [WSG] Blockquote

2009-01-08 Thread Patrick Lauke
Bringing it all back to the core question: cite is an optional attribute, so can be omitted when using the blockquote element. P Patrick H. Lauke Web Editor Enterprise & Development University of Salford Room 113, Faraday House Salford, Greater Manchester M5 4WT UK

Re: [WSG] Blockquote

2009-01-08 Thread Adam Martin
cial gain - whether that is to get exposure, advertising revenue or other means. Respect the content owners, ask for their permission to use the content!! - Original Message - From: "David Dorward" To: Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2009 8:42 AM Subject: Re: [WSG] Blockqu

Re: [WSG] Blockquote

2009-01-08 Thread David Dorward
James Jeffery wrote: Thanks for the heads up guys. I know how to use blockquote, that's not an issue, but I'm wondering if using cite would be worth it. I won't be storing the URL from the original page. If I did citing the orig. page that could get me into a while lot of trouble if I am mirr

Re: [WSG] Blockquote

2009-01-07 Thread James Jeffery
Thanks for the heads up guys. I know how to use blockquote, that's not an issue, but I'm wondering if using cite would be worth it. I won't be storing the URL from the original page. If I did citing the orig. page that could get me into a while lot of trouble if I am mirroring/scraping/*stealing*

Re: [WSG] Blockquote

2009-01-07 Thread Chris Cressman
> ,,,and the cite attribute itself is optional, used only > when the quote, as you say, is scraped from another site. :) The cite attribute is poorly supported by most browsers, in the sense that they don't do anything with it. However, you can use a CSS attribute selector and CSS generated conten

Re: [WSG] Blockquote

2009-01-07 Thread Ben Buchanan
2009/1/8 James Jeffery > I'm developing a site. A quote site infact. For the quotes I think it's > wise to use ... but, the quotes are being scraped from other > sites so how would I cite them? Could I use a wiki url for the author? And > what if the author is unknown or has no wiki page. > Do I

Re: [WSG] Blockquote

2009-01-07 Thread Mike at Green-Beast.com
, January 07, 2009 5:58 PM Subject: [WSG] Blockquote I'm developing a site. A quote site infact. For the quotes I think it's wise to use ... but, the quotes are being scraped from other sites so how would I cite them? Could I use a wiki url for the author? And what if the author is unkn

RE: [WSG] Blockquote

2009-01-07 Thread Kepler Gelotte
> ... but, the quotes are being scraped from other sites so how would I cite them? I thought the cite attribute was the URL of the original page the quote came from. For example (from http://htmlhelp.com/reference/html40/block/blockquote.html): http://www.bibliomania.com/Fiction/joyce/ulyss

[WSG] Blockquote

2009-01-07 Thread James Jeffery
I'm developing a site. A quote site infact. For the quotes I think it's wise to use ... but, the quotes are being scraped from other sites so how would I cite them? Could I use a wiki url for the author? And what if the author is unknown or has no wiki page. Do I *need* to include the cite attrib

Re: [WSG] BLOCKQUOTE Problem (Solved)

2006-01-28 Thread Paula Petrik
is a link to your problem page? Ted -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paula Petrik Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2006 1:40 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: [WSG] BLOCKQUOTE Problem All right, this is probably a less than gripping

Re: [WSG] BLOCKQUOTE Problem

2006-01-28 Thread Paul Novitski
At 01:39 PM 1/28/2006, Paula Petrik wrote: The element requires that it enclose block level elements--in my case usually a . Since blockquotes are usually in a run of text (#content p), it picks up the content p's line-height. But a blockquote, typographically speaking, should have a reduced lin

RE: [WSG] BLOCKQUOTE Problem

2006-01-28 Thread Ted Drake
ECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paula Petrik Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2006 1:40 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: [WSG] BLOCKQUOTE Problem All right, this is probably a less than gripping question and more pertinent to academic writing. Nonetheless. The element requires

[WSG] BLOCKQUOTE Problem

2006-01-28 Thread Paula Petrik
All right, this is probably a less than gripping question and more pertinent to academic writing. Nonetheless. The element requires that it enclose block level elements--in my case usually a . Since blockquotes are usually in a run of text (#content p), it picks up the content p's line-hei

Re: [WSG] blockquote in screen viewer!

2005-09-26 Thread Kenny Graham
Lynx is text-only in the "really old computer" sense of the word. It can't display italics, only different text colors and background colors. This isn't a problem though. Displaying blockquotes as indented italics is just a popular way for graphical browsers to display them by default. It's not

[WSG] blockquote in screen viewer!

2005-09-25 Thread tee
Hi, It seems that screen viewer doesn't show blockquote' content in italic. Is this supposed to be or I got the markup wrong. this is the page (in Chinese): http://www.whpsy.com/synth/view/04113002.htm The blockquotes are in light olive background within the tags. /* Please ignore all vali

Re: [WSG] Blockquote or Q?

2005-06-28 Thread James Denholm-Price
Apologies for being a bit slow on the uptake but the always informative Roger Johansson (456bereastreet) has this useful article [1] which supports what's been said and provides useful links to the HTML4 spec. James [1]

Re: [WSG] Blockquote or Q?

2005-04-20 Thread Cole Kuryakin - x7m
t is it?" remark. Sometimes I need to be reminded. I'll take a stab at "overflow" - never used it before - instead of the s. Cole - Original Message - From: "Mr Bean" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2005 10:54 PM Subject: Re: [WS

Re: [WSG] Blockquote or Q?

2005-04-20 Thread Mr Bean
Actually, the requirement for having (or ) in your blockquotes is sort of a weird one, IMHO. I believe they've planned to remove that from xhtml2, but in your case it makes sense anyways. --- Cole Kuryakin - x7m <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I've inserted a bunch of s > within the quote in order t

Re: [WSG] Blockquote or Q?

2005-04-19 Thread Cole Kuryakin - x7m
each quote. Just a design thing. Is this really a "no, no" or would this be permissable? Cole - Original Message - From: "Alan Trick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 9:43 PM Subject: Re: [WSG] Blockquote or Q? > In writing (like not-web wri

Re: [WSG] Blockquote or Q?

2005-04-19 Thread Cole Kuryakin - x7m
Hughes -   That is a neat trick. Thanks for sharing!   Cole - Original Message - From: Hugues Brunelle To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 11:11 PM Subject: RE: [WSG] Blockquote or Q? Hi Cole, Blockquote for sure, and like Alan

Re: [WSG] Blockquote or Q?

2005-04-19 Thread Ben Hamilton
On 4/19/05, Alan Trick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Anyways that is what blockquote was meant to refer to. I your situation > I would use > > > > I am seldom attracted to books of this genre. > This author was recommended by a friend, and I couldn't put it > down! > > >

RE: Re[2]: [WSG] Blockquote or Q?

2005-04-19 Thread Hugues Brunelle
nelle Subject: Re[2]: [WSG] Blockquote or Q? Hugues, HB> Blockquote for sure, and like Alan suggest, make use of normal tags inside. HB> And let me give you a nice trick to insert language specific quotemarks : HB> If you declare the language in your HTML tag like ...> you can defin

Re[2]: [WSG] Blockquote or Q?

2005-04-19 Thread Martin Heiden
Hugues, HB> Blockquote for sure, and like Alan suggest, make use of normal tags inside. HB> And let me give you a nice trick to insert language specific quotemarks : HB> If you declare the language in your HTML tag like HB> you can define inside your CSS what kind of quote mark to insert before a

RE: [WSG] Blockquote or Q?

2005-04-19 Thread Hugues Brunelle
Kuryakin - x7mSent: April 19, 2005 07:41To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.orgSubject: [WSG] Blockquote or Q? Hi everyone.   I'm working on a site that contains 1 boxed quote per page. By boxed, I mean there's a red border that encloses the quote.   These aren't famouse quotes - or anything part

Re: [WSG] Blockquote or Q?

2005-04-19 Thread Alan Trick
In writing (like not-web writing) there is a thing were quotes that are just are just a few lines are written in the normal flow of the text; however, if a quote is more than 3-4 lines it is separate and indented (about .5' on each side, but it depends on whose rules you use). Anyways that is w

Re: [WSG] Blockquote or Q?

2005-04-19 Thread Lea de Groot
On Tue, 19 Apr 2005 20:40:53 +0800, Cole Kuryakin - x7m wrote: > So, semantically speaking, should I be using Blockquote or Q tags? Blockquote, I beleive - you're correct in that q is meant for inline eg some text what he said more text. I normally start my css file with * { margin: 0; paddin

[WSG] Blockquote or Q?

2005-04-19 Thread Cole Kuryakin - x7m
Hi everyone.   I'm working on a site that contains 1 boxed quote per page. By boxed, I mean there's a red border that encloses the quote.   These aren't famouse quotes - or anything particulary special - just quotes from people who have read the pre-release of a new book.   So, semantically s