RE: [WSG] Breadcrumbs showing organisational structure and usability

2008-06-11 Thread Elizabeth Spiegel
art TAS 7001 www.spiegelweb.com.au -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of libwebdev Sent: Tuesday, 10 June 2008 11:38 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Breadcrumbs showing organisational structure and usability Wow. Make a genuin

Re: [WSG] Breadcrumbs showing organisational structure and usability

2008-06-09 Thread Jason Ray
Lib, I don't think you should leave the list over one person's comments if you are benefiting from other people's feedback. Libraries probably shouldn't fit under individual departments, but under the organisation's umbrella - I am particularly thinking of university libraries. If you are a speci

RE: [WSG] Breadcrumbs showing organisational structure and usability

2008-06-09 Thread Webb, KerryA
In response to Lib: Don't go. I too was appalled by the tone of the responses, but didn't have time to respond myself. I thought it was a reasonable request. Kerry (always sympathetic to the problems of libraries in organisations)

Re: [WSG] Breadcrumbs showing organisational structure and usability

2008-06-09 Thread libwebdev
Wow. Make a genuine enquiry, and get this. I see this list is living up to its reputation for rudeness that I was warned about before I joined. I asked for opinions on the use of breadcrumbs for the reason I stated: because I was under the impression that they showed the user's path to the current

Re: [WSG] Breadcrumbs showing organisational structure and usability

2008-06-07 Thread Mark Harris
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RE: [WSG] Breadcrumbs showing organisational structure and usability

2008-06-07 Thread Stuart Foulstone
June 06, 2008 9:13 AM > To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org > Subject: Re: [WSG] Breadcrumbs showing organisational structure and > usability > > libwebdev wrote: > >> My organisation manages around 7000+ pages for 100s of departments, >> using a CMS. Mine is the only

Re: [WSG] Breadcrumbs showing organisational structure and usability

2008-06-07 Thread Stuart Foulstone
For discussion on usability of "breadcrumb" trails see Nielsen, http://www.useit.com/alertbox/breadcrumbs.html On Fri, June 6, 2008 7:45 am, libwebdev wrote: > Hi folks, > > My organisation manages around 7000+ pages for 100s of departments, > using a CMS. Mine is the only department outside th

Re: [WSG] Breadcrumbs showing organisational structure and usability

2008-06-06 Thread Anton Babushkin
I should also add, that the whole notion of "we're outside the CMS just because we can" is extremely irritating to hear. Its people like you that cause massive maintenance issues and make everyone 2-3 years down the track go, "why the fk aren't these guys just using the same thing as everyone else"

Re: [WSG] Breadcrumbs showing organisational structure and usability

2008-06-06 Thread Steve Baty
Thank you Jessica. Your clarification is correct :) 2008/6/6 Jessica Enders <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > I agree with most of the comments in response to this query but thought I > would clarify one part of what Steve said, namely that: "breadcrumbs ... > represent the content pathway the user followed

Re: [WSG] Breadcrumbs showing organisational structure and usability

2008-06-06 Thread Jessica Enders
I agree with most of the comments in response to this query but thought I would clarify one part of what Steve said, namely that: "breadcrumbs ... represent the content pathway the user followed to reach their current page". I misread this sentence initially and so others may too. I thought

Re: [WSG] Breadcrumbs showing organisational structure and usability

2008-06-06 Thread Nick Cowie
I agree with Steve Baty Breadcrumbs hurt no one and help more than a few. I have been spending a lot of time recently with our users, talking menu systems, navigation, breadcrumbs trails and expectations. If Parent Org > Clinical Services > Library > Current page is a list of links and you can e

Re: [WSG] Breadcrumbs showing organisational structure and usability

2008-06-06 Thread Darren West
Ihttp://developer.yahoo.com/ypatterns/pattern.php?pattern=breadcrumbs 2008/6/6 libwebdev <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Hi folks, > > My organisation manages around 7000+ pages for 100s of departments, > using a CMS. Mine is the only department outside the CMS, just because > we can. > > We have been per

Re: [WSG] Breadcrumbs showing organisational structure and usability

2008-06-06 Thread Steve Baty
Lib, Breadcrumbs fall into that category of IA component that hurts no-one, and helps some people some of the time, which generally makes them worthwhile. However, breadcrumbs should serve a specific purpose, that being: to represent the content pathway the user followed to reach their current pag

RE: [WSG] Breadcrumbs showing organisational structure and usability

2008-06-06 Thread Ted Drake
Damn, this is refreshing to hear for a change! Enough said. Ted -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Harris Sent: Friday, June 06, 2008 9:13 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Breadcrumbs showing organisational structure

Re: [WSG] Breadcrumbs showing organisational structure and usability

2008-06-06 Thread Josh Moore
I agree with Mark Harris. Mark Harris wrote: libwebdev wrote: My organisation manages around 7000+ pages for 100s of departments, using a CMS. Mine is the only department outside the CMS, just because we can. We have been persuaded (read: bullied) to redesign our he

Re: [WSG] Breadcrumbs showing organisational structure and usability

2008-06-06 Thread Mark Harris
libwebdev wrote: My organisation manages around 7000+ pages for 100s of departments, using a CMS. Mine is the only department outside the CMS, just because we can. We have been persuaded (read: bullied) to redesign our header to exactly match that of the parent organisation. I have no problem w

Re: [WSG] Breadcrumbs showing organisational structure and usability

2008-06-06 Thread Anton Babushkin
Hi lib, The organization that I am part of uses breadcrumbs, however they're used to display where the user has been and one link to indicate the top level. I think in terms of usability they can help a user associate themselves with your structure if they're really searching for something. They'

Re: [WSG] Breadcrumbs showing organisational structure and usability

2008-06-06 Thread William Donovan
Hi Lib, this may be off topic and more a usability question. however I see relatedness in how to structure them semantically and to benifit those that may wish to use them. I find that they can be a nice to have to assist users, however if you have to tab through these, they become extra lin

[WSG] Breadcrumbs showing organisational structure and usability

2008-06-05 Thread libwebdev
Hi folks, My organisation manages around 7000+ pages for 100s of departments, using a CMS. Mine is the only department outside the CMS, just because we can. We have been persuaded (read: bullied) to redesign our header to exactly match that of the parent organisation. I have no problem with that