Re: [WSG] Correct styling of text material submitted as a table
Okay. I feel more confident then, if given text like my example. Thanks for the example markup. That does help. I was beginning to wonder, after the earlier discussion, whether only numeric data could be semantically correct in a table. Best regards, Marilyn Langfeld http://www.langfeldesigns.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Jan 14, 2005, at 4:09 PM, Patrick H. Lauke wrote: Marilyn Langfeld wrote: *Here's a simple example. Just two columns, two rows, one set of column heads and row heads within the main cells. Ok, right, that clarifies it. In this case you are, in effect, providing tabular data - that wasn't quite clear from the original email. If I understand it correctly, here's the structure I'd suggest.
RE: [WSG] Correct styling of text material submitted as a table
Patrick has some great ideas, I like the use of list items in the cells to simplify the presentation. I started to put together a similar table and then thought it may not be the best approach. I'm all for tables in the right instance. But this content you are working on could be done with divs and/or even definition lists. Objectives Recommended action lines for WHO and Member States Policy Ensure public policies support eïective and equitable e-health systems. Facilitate a collaborative approach to e-health development. Monitor internationally-accepted goals and targets for e-health. Represent the health perspective in international fora on major ICT issues. Strengthen ICT in health education and training in countries, supporting a multi-lingual and multicultural approach. Strategies: Development of national e-health strategies, reflecting principles of transparency, ethics, equity, and cost-eïectiveness. Coordination and collaboration: Coordination of national eâhealth policies to address common areas of concern. Collaboration with other sectors in ICT policy, standards, and technical and infrastructure development. Partnerships: Development of transparent, equitable and ethical public-private partnerships for improving e-health content, capacity and infrastructure. Advocacy and monitoring: Participation in appropriate UN venues for ICT action, such as World Summit for the Information Society. Collaboration with UN agencies and partners in monitoring achievements toward internationally-agreed targets and goals. Equitable access Commitment by WHO, Member States and partners to reaching health communities and all populations, including vulnerable groups, with eâhealth appropriate to their needs. Collaboration: Collaboration with the private sector to improve access to e-health resources. Advocacy to highlight challenges, set the policy agenda, ensure a rights-based approach, and engage key sectors. International collaboration in capacity building efforts, to improve access to e-health by institutions, professionals and citizens. Recommended action lines for WHO and Member States Quality, security and safety Commitment to ensuring that e-health for citizens, patients and professionals meets quality, safety, and ethical standards. Development of strategies and policies to ensure that e-health is developed and implemented with a citizen-centered, rights-based approach, emphasizing confidentiality, privacy and security. Support for quality standards for health internet and web sites, through international and national action and internet domain policy. Multi-sectoral collaboration for developing evidence-based eâhealth standards and norms. Best use Analyze e-health evolution, impact on health; anticipate emerging challenges and opportunities. Provide evidence, information and guidance to support policy, best practice, and management of e-health systems and services. Identify and address needs for e-health norms and standards, innovation and research.Technical assistance and capacity building: Development of assessment methods, standards and tools to guide best use of ICT based on evidence; improve access and satisfaction, quality and economy of care. Establishment of a Global E-Health Observatory to document and analyze developments and trends, inform policy and practice in countries, and report regularly on e-health status worldwide. Establishment of national centers and networks of excellence for best practice, policy coordination, and technical assistance. International, multi-sectoral collaboration to improve compatibility of administrative and technical e-health systems. With styles, you could give borders to the header and other elements and float the divs next to each other to create the look of tables. It's an option, I'm not sure if the definition list is the better option after putting this together. How's that for wishy washy recommendations. Ted www.tdrake.net -Original Message- From: Patrick H. Lauke [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 14, 2005 1:09 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Correct styling of text material submitted as a table Marilyn Langfeld wrote: > *Here's a simple example. Just two columns, two rows, one set of column > heads and row heads within the main cells. Ok, right, that clarifies it. In this case you are, in effect, providing tabular data - that wasn't quite clear from the original email. If I understand it correctly, here's the structure I'd suggest. Objectives Recommended action lines for WHO and Member States Recommended action lines for WHO and Member States Policy Ensure public policies support effective and equitable e-health systems ... Commitment by WHO, Member States and partners to reaching health communities... ... Equitable Access Commitment to ensuring that e-h
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Patrick H. Lauke wrote: If I understand it correctly, here's the structure I'd suggest. Actually, re-reading your example data, I did misunderstand your structure. In fairness, it seems a bit convoluted. This is looking more and more like a complex table that needs proper ids and header attributes on the table cells... -- Patrick H. Lauke _ reÂdux (adj.): brought back; returned. used postpositively [latin : re-, re- + dux, leader; see duke.] www.splintered.co.uk | www.photographia.co.uk http://redux.deviantart.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help **
Re: [WSG] Correct styling of text material submitted as a table
Marilyn Langfeld wrote: *Here's a simple example. Just two columns, two rows, one set of column heads and row heads within the main cells. Ok, right, that clarifies it. In this case you are, in effect, providing tabular data - that wasn't quite clear from the original email. If I understand it correctly, here's the structure I'd suggest. Objectives Recommended action lines for WHO and Member States Recommended action lines for WHO and Member States Policy Ensure public policies support effective and equitable e-health systems ... Commitment by WHO, Member States and partners to reaching health communities... ... Equitable Access Commitment to ensuring that e-health for citizens... ... Analyze e-health evolution, impact on health;... ... -- Patrick H. Lauke _ reÂdux (adj.): brought back; returned. used postpositively [latin : re-, re- + dux, leader; see duke.] www.splintered.co.uk | www.photographia.co.uk http://redux.deviantart.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help **
Re: [WSG] Correct styling of text material submitted as a table
Ted Drake wrote: wait, now I'm confused. table headers, thead/tbody, summary tags are structural? They give structure to tabular data. I thought they were meant to define the data and were good. Not when the data in question is not tabular data. If the table is used for layout, it should not sport any markup specifically meant for marking up tabular data. See WCAG 1.0 guideline 5.4 http://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG10/#gl-table-markup -- Patrick H. Lauke _ re·dux (adj.): brought back; returned. used postpositively [latin : re-, re- + dux, leader; see duke.] www.splintered.co.uk | www.photographia.co.uk http://redux.deviantart.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help **
Re: [WSG] Correct styling of text material submitted as a table
Here's a simple example. Just two columns, two rows, one set of column heads and row heads within the main cells. Column One: Column Head: Objectives Recommended action lines for WHO and Member States Cell One: Policy - Ensure public policies support eïective and equitable e-health systems. - Facilitate a collaborative approach to e-health development. - Monitor internationally-accepted goals and targets for e-health. - Represent the health perspective in international fora on major ICT issues. - Strengthen ICT in health education and training in countries, supporting a multi-lingual and multicultural approach.Strategies: Development of national e-health strategies, reflecting principles of transparency, ethics, equity, and cost-eïectiveness. Coordination and collaboration: Coordination of national eâhealth policies to address common areas of concern. Collaboration with other sectors in ICT policy, standards, and technical and infrastructure development. Partnerships: Development of transparent, equitable and ethical public-private partnerships for improving e-health content, capacity and infrastructure. Advocacy and monitoring: Participation in appropriate UN venues for ICT action, such as World Summit for the Information Society. Collaboration with UN agencies and partners in monitoring achievements toward internationally-agreed targets and goals. Cell Two: Equitable access â Commitment by WHO, Member States and partners to reaching health communities and all populations, including vulnerable groups, with eâhealth appropriate to their needs. Collaboration: Collaboration with the private sector to improve access to e-health resources. Advocacy to highlight challenges, set the policy agenda, ensure a rights-based approach, and engage key sectors. International collaboration in capacity building efforts, to improve access to e-health by institutions, professionals and citizens. Column Two Recommended action lines for WHO and Member States Cell One (relates to Policy): Quality, security and safety - Commitment to ensuring that e-health for citizens, patients and professionals meets quality, safety, and ethical standards. Development of strategies and policies to ensure that e-health is developed and implemented with a citizen-centered, rights-based approach, emphasizing confidentiality, privacy and security. Support for quality standards for health internet and web sites, through international and national action and internet domain policy. Multi-sectoral collaboration for developing evidence-based eâhealth standards and norms. Cell Two (relates to Equitable Access): Best use â Analyze e-health evolution, impact on health; anticipate emerging challenges and opportunities. â Provide evidence, information and guidance to support policy, best practice, and management of e-health systems and services. â Identify and address needs for e-health norms and standards, innovation and research.Technical assistance and capacity building: Development of assessment methods, standards and tools to guide best use of ICT based on evidence; improve access and satisfaction, quality and economy of care. Establishment of a Global E-Health Observatory to document and analyze developments and trends, inform policy and practice in countries, and report regularly on e-health status worldwide. Establishment of national centers and networks of excellence for best practice, policy coordination, and technical assistance. International, multi-sectoral collaboration to improve compatibility of administrative and technical e-health systems. End table I receive lots of material for print that's set up like this in a table format, with relationships both horizontally and vertically. I haven't actually been asked to make this into a web page, but would like to be prepared, if and when I am asked. Best regards, Marilyn Langfeld http://www.langfeldesigns.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] +1.301.598.3300 business phone +1.301.598.0532 fax +1.202.390.8847 mobile On Jan 14, 2005, at 2:48 PM, Ted Drake wrote: Hi MarilynAs the one that started the last table thread, I would recommend providing us with an example. Your request, like mine, can be interpreted in many ways. Ted -Original Message-From: Marilyn Langfeld [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Friday, January 14, 2005 11:47 AMTo: wsg@webstandardsgroup.orgSubject: [WSG] Correct styling of text material submitted as a tableI hesitate to ask, now that the table thread has quieted down, but here goes: How should I mark up text that's submitted as a Word table, especially when each cell may contain a mix of partial sentences, full sentences, list items? Sometime with three or four columns, and eight or ten rows? Best regards, Marilyn Langfeld http://www.langfeldesigns.com [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [WSG] Correct styling of text material submitted as a table
wait, now I'm confused. table headers, thead/tbody, summary tags are structural? I thought they were meant to define the data and were good. Ted -Original Message- From: Patrick H. Lauke [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 14, 2005 12:13 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Correct styling of text material submitted as a table Marilyn Langfeld wrote: > How should I mark up text that's submitted as a Word table, especially > when each cell may contain a mix of partial sentences, full sentences, > list items? Sometime with three or four columns, and eight or ten rows? It's a layout table, so - once we get over the fundamental point that you shouldn't use tables for layout - don't use *any* structural markup such as table headers, thead/tbody, summary etc. Keep the table markup to an absolute minimum. -- Patrick H. Lauke _ re·dux (adj.): brought back; returned. used postpositively [latin : re-, re- + dux, leader; see duke.] www.splintered.co.uk | www.photographia.co.uk http://redux.deviantart.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help **
Re: [WSG] Correct styling of text material submitted as a table
Marilyn Langfeld wrote: How should I mark up text that's submitted as a Word table, especially when each cell may contain a mix of partial sentences, full sentences, list items? Sometime with three or four columns, and eight or ten rows? It's a layout table, so - once we get over the fundamental point that you shouldn't use tables for layout - don't use *any* structural markup such as table headers, thead/tbody, summary etc. Keep the table markup to an absolute minimum. -- Patrick H. Lauke _ re·dux (adj.): brought back; returned. used postpositively [latin : re-, re- + dux, leader; see duke.] www.splintered.co.uk | www.photographia.co.uk http://redux.deviantart.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help **
RE: [WSG] Correct styling of text material submitted as a table
Hi Marilyn As the one that started the last table thread, I would recommend providing us with an example. Your request, like mine, can be interpreted in many ways. Ted -Original Message-From: Marilyn Langfeld [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Friday, January 14, 2005 11:47 AMTo: wsg@webstandardsgroup.orgSubject: [WSG] Correct styling of text material submitted as a table I hesitate to ask, now that the table thread has quieted down, but here goes: How should I mark up text that's submitted as a Word table, especially when each cell may contain a mix of partial sentences, full sentences, list items? Sometime with three or four columns, and eight or ten rows? Best regards, Marilyn Langfeld http://www.langfeldesigns.com [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[WSG] Correct styling of text material submitted as a table
I hesitate to ask, now that the table thread has quieted down, but here goes: How should I mark up text that's submitted as a Word table, especially when each cell may contain a mix of partial sentences, full sentences, list items? Sometime with three or four columns, and eight or ten rows? Best regards, Marilyn Langfeld http://www.langfeldesigns.com [EMAIL PROTECTED]
