Re: [WSG] DreamWeaver Template Left (or Right) Halo Nav in DW MX2004
Dave, You need some tranquilizers man. You did miss my point. Macromedia sells a product that purports to work with IE and most other browsers. Macromedia DreamWeaver MX has a defective template. Simple as that. A minor problem that could have been avoided by a bit more careful checking before release. It was not glaringly apparent until I put it into a screen resolution that allowed it to be exposed. Thanks to two fellows on this newsgroup for their guidance and simple fixes for the problem. If they can do it - so could Macromedia. IE on any platform is not my favorite browser. Nor is Safari or Opera or Netscape or Firefoxetc! All have their problems and shortcomings. I use all of them to test my products before release. According to the browser statistics in a recent posting to this group: IE owns something like 92% of the browser market (presuming, of course, that those stats are truly reflective of the user community). I do not hate a company simply because they have captured the majority of the market. I DO dislike Microsoft's inability to adapt quickly to industry standards that are emerging around them. I do NOT rant at the folks who use the products that are often pre-installed on their computers. MOST Internet users fall into this category. They are victims of Microsoft's success at marketing. Do not blame the victim! An American story comes to mind of a girl named Pollyanna - who always thought positively - perhaps naively so. You seem to imply that I am somewhat pollyanish in my belief that MacroMedia would do a little more proofing before they deliver a product to market. Macromedia did not do this and are correctly blamed for the problem with THEIR template. IE and its lack of standards compliance is an extenuating factor. I doubt you design websites only for compliance to the 'best' browsers on the market without regard for the 1,000 kilogram ape looming over you. Thanks for the article link - nothing new there - but it's always good to see someone trying to tell the already converted what they want to hear. Will Jensen Moscow, Russia On Nov 17, 2004, at 10:11 AM, csslist wrote: ok maybe its just the way u said this but its gotta be the dumbest thing i have ever read [quote]I imagined MacroMedia would not turn out a template that did not work in all browsers on all platforms.[/quote] i mean come on if it makes u feel better to pass some blame then blame who it is that at fault and gee wouldnt u guess who it is? micro$oft imagine that the quote should be more like this I imagined Micro$oft would not turn out such crap that did not work right and doesnt follow the recommended validation standards but then again if they built something right then all the worlds crime would go away, everything would be green and fertile, everyone would be beautiful, there would be free super slurpee's for the everyone and there would be nothing but world peace. and we all know all that aint about to happen btw, a desect quick read http://reviews.cnet.com/4520-3513_7-5570803-1.html?tag=cnetfd.ld -- Original Message -- From: Will Jensen [EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 09:35:29 +0300 I am running IE 6 on Win 2K Adv Server. This is an interesting wrinkle. I imagined MacroMedia would not turn out a template that did not work in all browsers on all platforms. I used a 1024x768 screen resolution and if I resize the IE6 window horizontally the capsule story section drops down below the PageNav section. It may not be obvious unless you play about a bit with the size of the IE window. I have a 17 screen and the difference is very large in the placement of the text.
Re: [WSG] DreamWeaver Template Left (or Right) Halo Nav in DW MX2004
lol well i took the comment probably different then you meant it but microcrap chooses to avoid the main stream in hopes that everyone does things their way or pay the price. (can we say Monopoly?) now when MM made those templates im sure they worked just fine especially in IE and the probable fact is that M$ changes what they were doing so it messed up those templates. I seem to recall there being some pretty big issues between IE5 IE6, and then there are their fixes which usually mess everything else up. bottom line is that they arent gunna change until we make them change i just didnt think MM deserved the comment u gave them. And my point was just to say that blame should just go to where it belongs. and sure i dont like M$ and its because of crap like this but if u can come up with a solution out of the box and work in all browsers on all platforms you will be a rich man :) -- Original Message -- From: Will Jensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 12:14:40 +0300 Dave, You need some tranquilizers man. You did miss my point. Macromedia sells a product that purports to work with IE and most other browsers. Macromedia DreamWeaver MX has a defective template. Simple as that. A minor problem that could have been avoided by a bit more careful checking before release. It was not glaringly apparent until I put it into a screen resolution that allowed it to be exposed. Thanks to two fellows on this newsgroup for their guidance and simple fixes for the problem. If they can do it - so could Macromedia. IE on any platform is not my favorite browser. Nor is Safari or Opera or Netscape or Firefoxetc! All have their problems and shortcomings. I use all of them to test my products before release. According to the browser statistics in a recent posting to this group: IE owns something like 92% of the browser market (presuming, of course, that those stats are truly reflective of the user community). I do not hate a company simply because they have captured the majority of the market. I DO dislike Microsoft's inability to adapt quickly to industry standards that are emerging around them. I do NOT rant at the folks who use the products that are often pre-installed on their computers. MOST Internet users fall into this category. They are victims of Microsoft's success at marketing. Do not blame the victim! An American story comes to mind of a girl named Pollyanna - who always thought positively - perhaps naively so. You seem to imply that I am somewhat pollyanish in my belief that MacroMedia would do a little more proofing before they deliver a product to market. Macromedia did not do this and are correctly blamed for the problem with THEIR template. IE and its lack of standards compliance is an extenuating factor. I doubt you design websites only for compliance to the 'best' browsers on the market without regard for the 1,000 kilogram ape looming over you. Thanks for the article link - nothing new there - but it's always good to see someone trying to tell the already converted what they want to hear. Will Jensen Moscow, Russia On Nov 17, 2004, at 10:11 AM, csslist wrote: ok maybe its just the way u said this but its gotta be the dumbest thing i have ever read [quote]I imagined MacroMedia would not turn out a template that did not work in all browsers on all platforms.[/quote] i mean come on if it makes u feel better to pass some blame then blame who it is that at fault and gee wouldnt u guess who it is? micro$oft imagine that the quote should be more like this I imagined Micro$oft would not turn out such crap that did not work right and doesnt follow the recommended validation standards but then again if they built something right then all the worlds crime would go away, everything would be green and fertile, everyone would be beautiful, there would be free super slurpee's for the everyone and there would be nothing but world peace. and we all know all that aint about to happen btw, a desect quick read http://reviews.cnet.com/4520-3513_7-5570803-1.html?tag=cnetfd.ld -- Original Message -- From: Will Jensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 09:35:29 +0300 I am running IE 6 on Win 2K Adv Server. This is an interesting wrinkle. I imagined MacroMedia would not turn out a template that did not work in all browsers on all platforms. I used a 1024x768 screen resolution and if I resize the IE6 window horizontally the capsule story section drops down below the PageNav section. It may not be obvious unless you play about a bit with the size of the IE window. I have a 17 screen and the difference is very large in the placement of the text. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See
Re: [WSG] DreamWeaver Template Left (or Right) Halo Nav in DW MX2004
ok maybe its just the way u said this but its gotta be the dumbest thing i have ever read [quote]I imagined MacroMedia would not turn out a template that did not work in all browsers on all platforms.[/quote] i mean come on if it makes u feel better to pass some blame then blame who it is that at fault and gee wouldnt u guess who it is? micro$oft imagine that the quote should be more like this I imagined Micro$oft would not turn out such crap that did not work right and doesnt follow the recommended validation standards but then again if they built something right then all the worlds crime would go away, everything would be green and fertile, everyone would be beautiful, there would be free super slurpee's for the everyone and there would be nothing but world peace. and we all know all that aint about to happen btw, a desect quick read http://reviews.cnet.com/4520-3513_7-5570803-1.html?tag=cnetfd.ld -- Original Message -- From: Will Jensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 09:35:29 +0300 I am running IE 6 on Win 2K Adv Server. This is an interesting wrinkle. I imagined MacroMedia would not turn out a template that did not work in all browsers on all platforms. I used a 1024x768 screen resolution and if I resize the IE6 window horizontally the capsule story section drops down below the PageNav section. It may not be obvious unless you play about a bit with the size of the IE window. I have a 17 screen and the difference is very large in the placement of the text. Will ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] DreamWeaver Template Left (or Right) Halo Nav in DW MX2004
I want to use the DW, Page Design CSS - Left Halo Nav template. It works well in all browsers, except it does not properly render in IE 6 on a WinTel PC. The problem seems to be with the Capsule Story element which is part of a table. In IE 6 Win the Capsule Story table begins after the bottom edge of the PageNav section has ended. In screen resolutions over 1024x760 this causes a large gap to appear in the content section between the div class story and the table'd Capsule Story. Any recommended work-arounds that will validate in XHTML 1.0 Strict!? I did not send files since this is not recommended for the list. I do not have a website where I can place it for this test. If someone wants to tackle this offline then I can send HTML and CSS files separately. Thanks, Will inline: SigThkLong200.jpg William H. Jensen, Jr. 67 Leninski Prospect Apartment #174, 5th Floor Moscow, Russia, 117296 Tel: (7)(095) 137-6546 [EMAIL PROTECTED] US address for mail forwarding to Russia is: William H. Jensen c/o IPS, MB 951 Suite 572 666 Fifth Ave. New York, NY, 10103
Re: [WSG] DreamWeaver Template Left (or Right) Halo Nav in DW MX2004
Hi Will I have DW MX and setup the template here and could not duplicate the issue on IE6/WINXP. Which IE/WIN combo are you running? Natalie On Mon, 15 Nov 2004 19:40:19 +0300, Will Jensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I want to use the DW, Page Design CSS - Left Halo Nav template. It works well in all browsers, except it does not properly render in IE 6 on a WinTel PC. The problem seems to be with the Capsule Story element which is part of a table. In IE 6 Win the Capsule Story table begins after the bottom edge of the PageNav section has ended. In screen resolutions over 1024x760 this causes a large gap to appear in the content section between the div class story and the table'd Capsule Story. -- Website Designer/Developer www.nataliebuxton.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] DreamWeaver Template Left (or Right) Halo Nav in DW MX2004
Hallo Will, The problem is the 100% of the table width... In the html-file you may change div class="story" table width="100%" etc. etc. the table width to less than 100%, eg. table width="90%" Than it works ... best greetings johannes - Original Message - From: Will Jensen To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 15, 2004 5:40 PM Subject: [WSG] DreamWeaver Template Left (or Right) Halo Nav in DW MX2004 I want to use the DW, Page Design CSS - Left Halo Nav template.It works well in all browsers, except it does not properly render in IE 6 on a WinTel PC.The problem seems to be with the Capsule Story element which is part of a table.In IE 6 Win the Capsule Story table begins after the bottom edge of the PageNav section has ended.In screen resolutions over 1024x760 this causes a large gap to appear in the content section between the div class "story" and the table'd Capsule Story.Any recommended work-arounds that will validate in XHTML 1.0 Strict!?I did not send files since this is not recommended for the list. I do not have a website where I can place it for this test. If someone wants to tackle this offline then I can send HTML and CSS files separately.Thanks,Will William H. Jensen, Jr.67 Leninski ProspectApartment #174, 5th FloorMoscow, Russia, 117296Tel: (7)(095) 137-6546[EMAIL PROTECTED]US address for mail forwarding to Russia is:William H. Jensenc/o IPS, MB 951Suite 572666 Fifth Ave.New York, NY, 10103
Re: [WSG] DreamWeaver Template Left (or Right) Halo Nav in DW MX2004
I am running IE 6 on Win 2K Adv Server. This is an interesting wrinkle. I imagined MacroMedia would not turn out a template that did not work in all browsers on all platforms. I used a 1024x768 screen resolution and if I resize the IE6 window horizontally the capsule story section drops down below the PageNav section. It may not be obvious unless you play about a bit with the size of the IE window. I have a 17 screen and the difference is very large in the placement of the text. Will inline: SigThkLong200.jpg William H. Jensen, Jr. 67 Leninski Prospect Apartment #174, 5th Floor Moscow, Russia, 117296 Tel: (7)(095) 137-6546 [EMAIL PROTECTED] US address for mail forwarding to Russia is: William H. Jensen c/o IPS, MB 951 Suite 572 666 Fifth Ave. New York, NY, 10103 On Nov 16, 2004, at 1:19 AM, Natalie Buxton wrote: Hi Will I have DW MX and setup the template here and could not duplicate the issue on IE6/WINXP. Which IE/WIN combo are you running? Natalie On Mon, 15 Nov 2004 19:40:19 +0300, Will Jensen [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I want to use the DW, Page Design CSS - Left Halo Nav template. It works well in all browsers, except it does not properly render in IE 6 on a WinTel PC. The problem seems to be with the Capsule Story element which is part of a table. In IE 6 Win the Capsule Story table begins after the bottom edge of the PageNav section has ended. In screen resolutions over 1024x760 this causes a large gap to appear in the content section between the div class story and the table'd Capsule Story. -- Website Designer/Developer www.nataliebuxton.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] DreamWeaver Template Left (or Right) Halo Nav in DW MX2004
Works Perfectly - Thanks loads! I have one more Question on this template. I want to center the global nav menu and the sub-global nav menu. I can do this with text-align center in the CSS for the global and sub-global nav sections in the CSS. It works fine in all browsers except IE 5 on my Mac OS X. The menu flickers and the sub-global scrambles - you think you are on the second choice in the global menu, but the sub-global brings out sub-global links for the third choice on the global menu.. This is a minor problem since IE 5 on Mac is dead but still used by some folks. Will inline: SigThkLong200.jpg William H. Jensen, Jr. 67 Leninski Prospect Apartment #174, 5th Floor Moscow, Russia, 117296 Tel: (7)(095) 137-6546 [EMAIL PROTECTED] US address for mail forwarding to Russia is: William H. Jensen c/o IPS, MB 951 Suite 572 666 Fifth Ave. New York, NY, 10103 On Nov 16, 2004, at 9:29 AM, Johannes Reiss wrote: x-tad-smallerHallo Will,/x-tad-smaller x-tad-smallerThe problem is the 100% of the table width.../x-tad-smaller x-tad-smallerIn the html-file you may change /x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller /x-tad-smaller x-tad-smallerdiv class=story>/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smallertable width=100% etc. etc.>/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller /x-tad-smaller x-tad-smallerthe table width to less than 100%, eg. table width=90%/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smallerThan it works .../x-tad-smaller x-tad-smallerbest greetings/x-tad-smaller x-tad-smallerjohannes/x-tad-smaller x-tad-smaller- Original Message -/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller /x-tad-smallerx-tad-smallerFrom:/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller /x-tad-smallerx-tad-smallerWill Jensen/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller /x-tad-smallerx-tad-smallerTo:/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller /x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller[EMAIL PROTECTED]/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller /x-tad-smallerx-tad-smallerSent:/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller Monday, November 15, 2004 5:40 PM/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smallerSubject:/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller [WSG] DreamWeaver Template Left (or Right) Halo Nav in DW MX2004/x-tad-smallerI want to use the DW, Page Design CSS - Left Halo Nav template. It works well in all browsers, except it does not properly render in IE 6 on a WinTel PC. The problem seems to be with the Capsule Story element which is part of a table. In IE 6 Win the Capsule Story table begins after the bottom edge of the PageNav section has ended. In screen resolutions over 1024x760 this causes a large gap to appear in the content section between the div class story and the table'd Capsule Story. Any recommended work-arounds that will validate in XHTML 1.0 Strict!? I did not send files since this is not recommended for the list. I do not have a website where I can place it for this test. If someone wants to tackle this offline then I can send HTML and CSS files separately. Thanks, Will image.tiff> William H. Jensen, Jr. 67 Leninski Prospect Apartment #174, 5th Floor Moscow, Russia, 117296 Tel: (7)(095) 137-6546 [EMAIL PROTECTED] US address for mail forwarding to Russia is: William H. Jensen c/o IPS, MB 951 Suite 572 666 Fifth Ave. New York, NY, 10103
