RE: [WSG] JS patterns
From: Foskett, Mike Subject: RE: [WSG] JS patterns > Solution: > Instead of adding an onclick to a heading, try adding a > link to the heading then put the onclick on that. > Use the id of the hidden div as the link href and you're > done. > Best practice observed and everyone's happy. I agree entirely. There seems to be many developers discovering the joys of these JavaScript frameworks, but forgetting that we have a responsibility to use them wisely. With great power comes great responsibility, or something. I put together a little script to act as a "bridge" between HTML and the prototype JavaScript library called Performer [1]. It allows you to use JavaScript effects (hide and show elements, do AJAX calls, limit textbox input length etc) with nothing more than CSS classes and standard element attributes (rel and rev, mainly). It's also meant to be keyboard-accessible, but more work is needed to get that perfect (any help will be greatly appreciated). Despite this being quite an early version (currently 0.4 - please report any bugs!) I'm also trying to get a jQuery and mootools version developed. If this helps developers to use JavaScript in an accessible way then some good will come of it. Chris [1] http://performerjs.org This message has been scanned for malware by SurfControl plc. www.surfcontrol.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] JS patterns
On Dec 7, 2008, at 5:55 AM, Tatham Oddie wrote: Hi Tee, There are no JQuery specific extensions to IE8. There are general speed and reliability improvements to the JS engine in the browser, and IDE support for JQuery in Visual Studio, however the support is not specific to IE+JQuery. I use Accordion, tab and galleria on a site, it loads very slow on IE, especially that never going to die IE6. I was suspecting maybe it was Dead Edwards' /IE7 causing the problem, but it still load very slow after removing the IE7.js. tee *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] JS patterns
Hi Jason, I use jQuery too, well when I have to. An excellent operating model and file-size when minified and gzipped. A brilliant tool in the hands of experts, a hammer on a screw to others. I hate the way jQuery, and other libraries, are used to provide cheap effects. It's taken not only as a development shortcut, but a skill short cut too. Let's forget all the basics and jQuery/scriptilicious/moo tool it into a shiny new web 2 product. After all who cares if it's bad practice, so long as we can sell it right? Here's my first concern: Try the content folding accordion with a keyboard only. It doesn't work does it? All the content hidden by display:none is completely inaccessible to both keyboard only users and screen-readers. Very bad practice. Use it on a Government, or public sector website, and guess where the liability falls? Solution: Instead of adding an onclick to a heading, try adding a link to the heading then put the onclick on that. Use the id of the hidden div as the link href and you're done. Best practice observed and everyone's happy. Regards Mike Foskett http://websemantics.co.uk/ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jason Grant Sent: 07 December 2008 12:35 To: wsg Subject: [WSG] JS patterns A quick note to the group to say that a great, lightweight, JQuery based, continuously updated, object-oriented, highly reusable set of patterns is being developed by Adam Silver, a great JS developer. http://www.adoromedia.com/projects/ Patterns are constantly being improved and Adam would appreciate feedback from people and comments on how to improve them even more. Needless to say that I am using and re-using these patterns and can highly recommend them. Regards, -- Jason Grant BSc, MSc CEO, Flexewebs Ltd. www.flexewebs.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] +44 (0)7748 591 770 Company no.: 5587469 www.twitter.com/flexewebs www.linkedin.com/in/flexewebs *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** ---Warning This e-mail is from outside Tesco - check that it is genuine. Tesco may monitor and record all e-mails. Disclaimer This is a confidential email. Tesco may monitor and record all emails. The views expressed in this email are those of the sender and not Tesco. Tesco Stores Limited Company Number: 519500 Registered in England Registered Office: Tesco House, Delamare Road, Cheshunt, Hertfordshire EN8 9SL VAT Registration Number: GB 220 4302 31 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] JS patterns
My take on JQuery is that it is: - Most popular JS library out there - Becoming a de-facto standard for cross-browser JS development - Something that every serious developer I have met so far is supporting and using Whether it is made part of future browsers or not, it is a skill set well worth taking up and a library well worth utilising. Regards, Jason On Sun, Dec 7, 2008 at 1:55 PM, Tatham Oddie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi Tee, > > There are no JQuery specific extensions to IE8. > > There are general speed and reliability improvements to the JS engine in > the > browser, and IDE support for JQuery in Visual Studio, however the support > is > not specific to IE+JQuery. > > > Thanks, > > Tatham Oddie > call:+61414275989, call:+61280113982, skype:tathamoddie, > msn:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, tatham.oddie.com.au > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of tee > Sent: Monday, 8 December 2008 12:37 AM > To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org > Subject: Re: [WSG] JS patterns > > > On Dec 7, 2008, at 4:34 AM, Jason Grant wrote: > > > A quick note to the group to say that a great, lightweight, JQuery > > based, continuously updated, object-oriented, highly reusable set of > > patterns is being developed by Adam Silver, a great JS developer. > > > > http://www.adoromedia.com/projects/ > > > > Patterns are constantly being improved and Adam would appreciate > > feedback from people and comments on how to improve them even more. > > Needless to say that I am using and re-using these patterns and can > > highly recommend them. > > > > > > Hi Jason, thanks for the link, and I am a jQuery fan :-) > > Something not related to your post but jQuery. As many of you likely > have known that Microsoft have adapted jQuery framework, and this > question has been in my head for a while: does this meant future IE > (starts from IE8?) will speed up load time for site that uses jQuery? > > tee > > > *** > List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm > Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm > Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > *** > > > > > *** > List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm > Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm > Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > *** > > -- Jason Grant BSc, MSc CEO, Flexewebs Ltd. www.flexewebs.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] +44 (0)7748 591 770 Company no.: 5587469 www.twitter.com/flexewebs www.linkedin.com/in/flexewebs *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] JS patterns
Hi Tee, There are no JQuery specific extensions to IE8. There are general speed and reliability improvements to the JS engine in the browser, and IDE support for JQuery in Visual Studio, however the support is not specific to IE+JQuery. Thanks, Tatham Oddie call:+61414275989, call:+61280113982, skype:tathamoddie, msn:[EMAIL PROTECTED], tatham.oddie.com.au -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of tee Sent: Monday, 8 December 2008 12:37 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] JS patterns On Dec 7, 2008, at 4:34 AM, Jason Grant wrote: > A quick note to the group to say that a great, lightweight, JQuery > based, continuously updated, object-oriented, highly reusable set of > patterns is being developed by Adam Silver, a great JS developer. > > http://www.adoromedia.com/projects/ > > Patterns are constantly being improved and Adam would appreciate > feedback from people and comments on how to improve them even more. > Needless to say that I am using and re-using these patterns and can > highly recommend them. > > Hi Jason, thanks for the link, and I am a jQuery fan :-) Something not related to your post but jQuery. As many of you likely have known that Microsoft have adapted jQuery framework, and this question has been in my head for a while: does this meant future IE (starts from IE8?) will speed up load time for site that uses jQuery? tee *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] JS patterns
On Dec 7, 2008, at 4:34 AM, Jason Grant wrote: A quick note to the group to say that a great, lightweight, JQuery based, continuously updated, object-oriented, highly reusable set of patterns is being developed by Adam Silver, a great JS developer. http://www.adoromedia.com/projects/ Patterns are constantly being improved and Adam would appreciate feedback from people and comments on how to improve them even more. Needless to say that I am using and re-using these patterns and can highly recommend them. Hi Jason, thanks for the link, and I am a jQuery fan :-) Something not related to your post but jQuery. As many of you likely have known that Microsoft have adapted jQuery framework, and this question has been in my head for a while: does this meant future IE (starts from IE8?) will speed up load time for site that uses jQuery? tee *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
[WSG] JS patterns
A quick note to the group to say that a great, lightweight, JQuery based, continuously updated, object-oriented, highly reusable set of patterns is being developed by Adam Silver, a great JS developer. http://www.adoromedia.com/projects/ Patterns are constantly being improved and Adam would appreciate feedback from people and comments on how to improve them even more. Needless to say that I am using and re-using these patterns and can highly recommend them. Regards, -- Jason Grant BSc, MSc CEO, Flexewebs Ltd. www.flexewebs.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] +44 (0)7748 591 770 Company no.: 5587469 www.twitter.com/flexewebs www.linkedin.com/in/flexewebs *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
