Re: SPAM-LOW: [WSG] Java (JSP) v .net for standard and accessibility

2005-09-30 Thread Randall Potter
Alan Trick wrote: snip It is possible to get ASP.NET to give you compliant code. /snip Therein lies the rub in my opinion. Isn't the tool supposed to make your task easier? Who do you want in control, the designer/coder or the IDE? Would you in fact tolerate that level of fiddling with

Re: SPAM-LOW: [WSG] Java (JSP) v .net for standard and accessibility

2005-09-29 Thread Alan Trick
Actually, Tatham was kind of right in a way. It is possible to get ASP.NET to give you compliant code. However, compliance and web standards are *not* the same thing. Compliance is only part of web standards (and one of the smallest IMHO). Take for example the Internet explorer blog on msdn.com

[WSG] Java (JSP) v .net for standard and accessibility

2005-09-26 Thread Stuart Sherwood
I have been lucky enough to work with a very experienced java programmer on the last few sites I have designed. I do all the front end, he does the database, application, CMS, security and e-commerce development. The experience has been very pleasurable because of the degree of separation we

re: SPAM-LOW: [WSG] Java (JSP) v .net for standard and accessibility

2005-09-26 Thread csslist
Have you ever seen anything that microsoft makes that makes anything near compliant code? didnt think so If you are going to use .net and want complient code then you will spend a lot of time going back and tweaking the code to get it to comply. From: Stuart Sherwood [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Monday,

RE: [WSG] Java (JSP) v .net for standard and accessibility

2005-09-26 Thread Tatham Oddie \(Fuel Advance\)
sites. Thanks, Tatham Oddie Fuel Advance - Ignite Your Idea www.fueladvance.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Stuart Sherwood Sent: Tuesday, 27 September 2005 10:13 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: [WSG] Java (JSP) v .net

RE: SPAM-LOW: [WSG] Java (JSP) v .net for standard and accessibility

2005-09-26 Thread Tatham Oddie \(Fuel Advance\)
Idea www.fueladvance.com From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of csslist Sent: Tuesday, 27 September 2005 10:34 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: re: SPAM-LOW: [WSG] Java (JSP) v .net for standard and accessibility Have you ever seen anything

Re: [WSG] Java (JSP) v .net for standard and accessibility

2005-09-26 Thread Matthew Cruickshank
Stuart Sherwood wrote: I'm wondering how .net compares as I haven't had the chance yet to build a site with it? Current versions of ASP.Net have controls that favour IE over other browsers by using proprietary code (Eg. validation controls with Javascript use document.all). I think Microsoft

RE: SPAM-LOW: [WSG] Java (JSP) v .net for standard and accessibility

2005-09-26 Thread csslist
Your Idea www.fueladvance.com From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of csslist Sent: Tuesday, 27 September 2005 10:34 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: re: SPAM-LOW: [WSG] Java (JSP) v .net for standard and accessibility Have you ever seen anything that microsoft makes

Re: [WSG] Java (JSP) v .net for standard and accessibility

2005-09-26 Thread Jake Badger
Not only that, visual studio actually changes valid code into invalid code. For example t'll remove closing LI tags and capitalise all your tags. I know that, having tried to get a css/xhtml site with MCMS, at this stage if you want to make a standards compliant web app C#.NET is way more

Re: [WSG] Java (JSP) v .net for standard and accessibility

2005-09-26 Thread Jachin Sheehy
It is possible to configure VS.NET to leave your HTML alone: Tools Options Text Editor HTML/XML and have a look at 'Format' and 'Html Specific' panels As far as ASP.NET goes, the most annoying feature built into the framework is its insistence on serving up different markup to different

Re: [WSG] Java (JSP) v .net for standard and accessibility

2005-09-26 Thread Matthew Cruickshank
Jachin Sheehy wrote: That said, I note Stuart qualified his question by saying he had worked with an experienced Java programmer. Similarly, a good .NET programmer who is aware of the issues and concerned about web standards will also be able to help you achieve compliance. I have worked with