Re: [WSG] List Headers?

2005-11-06 Thread Janos Hardi
Hi, I suppose Chris referred to the machine readable code - In this case I'd use your = div - header * list etc. solution. Cheers, Janos 2005/11/6, Terrence Wood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Patrick H. Lauke said: > > Janos Hardi wrote: > >> ...a Hx element semantically connected with a list > > >

Re: [WSG] List Headers?

2005-11-06 Thread Terrence Wood
Patrick H. Lauke said: > Janos Hardi wrote: >> ...a Hx element semantically connected with a list > > LABEL is expected to point to a form control, not a list. It may > validate in terms of syntax, but in terms of logic it doesn't make > sense... Unfortunately HTML validators do contain errors. Al

Re: [WSG] List Headers?

2005-11-06 Thread Janos Hardi
Okay I retreat :) Perhaps we can use one of the followings: Heading for stuff list stuff No.1 .. or: Stuff category/term Stuff No.1 I think now the closest solution is using the DL list. Thx for the info Patrick. Janos ** The discussion

Re: [WSG] List Headers?

2005-11-06 Thread Patrick H. Lauke
Janos Hardi wrote: but the starting point was that Chris wanted a Hx element semantically connected with a list (with valid xhtml code). I understand, but I'd argue that your solution with LABEL is no more semantically connected than the original one without, as LABEL is expected to point to

Re: [WSG] List Headers?

2005-11-06 Thread Christian Montoya
> Yes it seems but: > > "Navigation lists are intended to be used to define collections of > selectable items for presentation in a "navigation" menu. Note that a > navigation list always starts with a label element that defines the > label for the list." > > The spec tells us that this list is (on

Re: [WSG] List Headers?

2005-11-06 Thread Janos Hardi
Yes it seems but: "Navigation lists are intended to be used to define collections of selectable items for presentation in a "navigation" menu. Note that a navigation list always starts with a label element that defines the label for the list." The spec tells us that this list is (only?) for navig

Re: [WSG] List Headers?

2005-11-06 Thread Christian Montoya
> Hey Patrick, > > Yes I understand your doubts but the starting point was that Chris > wanted a Hx element semantically connected with a list (with valid > xhtml code). > I think my solution is okay but I'd never use it ;) > I use the plain DL that has DT elements useable for "pseudo-headings". >

Re: [WSG] List Headers?

2005-11-06 Thread Janos Hardi
Hey Patrick, Yes I understand your doubts but the starting point was that Chris wanted a Hx element semantically connected with a list (with valid xhtml code). I think my solution is okay but I'd never use it ;) I use the plain DL that has DT elements useable for "pseudo-headings". Janos 2005/1

Re: [WSG] List Headers?

2005-11-06 Thread Christian Montoya
> I do not know is this a solution for our problem but it seems it does > the semantic and valid job - i made it a bit complex but its now a > closely real-world example :) > > This is a Header > for my stuff list > > my stuff No.1 > my stuff No.2 > > > Regards, > Janos Wait, is this valid? I th

Re: [WSG] List Headers?

2005-11-06 Thread Patrick H. Lauke
Janos Hardi wrote: I do not know is this a solution for our problem but it seems it does the semantic and valid job - i made it a bit complex but its now a closely real-world example :) This is a Header for my stuff list my stuff No.1 my stuff No.2 Hmmm...the spec for label only mentions as

Re: [WSG] List Headers?

2005-11-06 Thread Janos Hardi
Hi, I do not know is this a solution for our problem but it seems it does the semantic and valid job - i made it a bit complex but its now a closely real-world example :) This is a Header for my stuff list my stuff No.1 my stuff No.2 Regards, Janos 2005/11/6, Christian Montoya <[EMAIL PROTECT

Re: [WSG] List Headers?

2005-11-06 Thread Christian Montoya
> I understand your desire to be completely explicit in terms of assigning > a header to a list, I'd say that (X)HTML is just not that explicit a > language in that respect, and that *source order* is used to infer a lot > of this type of assignment. Think, for instance, about a normal page > struc

Re: [WSG] List Headers?

2005-11-06 Thread Patrick H. Lauke
Christian Montoya wrote: I think those both do not solve the problem. How do I give a definition list a header? I understand your desire to be completely explicit in terms of assigning a header to a list, I'd say that (X)HTML is just not that explicit a language in that respect, and that *sou

Re: [WSG] List Headers?

2005-11-06 Thread Christian Montoya
I think those both do not solve the problem. How do I give a definition list a header? Dictionary word def word def I would like to do: Dictionary ... ... Any solution that involves nested lists is really bad IMO. That makes things too complex. -- -- C Montoya rdpdesign.com ... liquid.rdpd

Re: [WSG] List Headers?

2005-11-06 Thread Joshua Street
Or you could nest it, even, if that's valid. Sounds awful complex though... header Though I remain uncertain as to the semantic value of that, even if it is valid. Josh On 11/6/05, Janos Hardi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > And what about the definition list? It seems to me t

Re: [WSG] List Headers?

2005-11-06 Thread Janos Hardi
Hi, And what about the definition list? It seems to me that is a plain way to do that job m8. header item1 ... dl is handy because you can use more "headers" (dt tags) in the same list etc. Regards, Janos 2005/11/6, Christian Montoya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > Great idea, Christian, but you'v

Re: [WSG] List Headers?

2005-11-06 Thread Christian Montoya
> Great idea, Christian, but you've been scooped: LH was part of the > 1993 HTML3 specification in the UL, OL, and DL definitions, such as: > http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/html3/deflists.html > > LH appears to have disappeared from the specs between HTML 3.0 and > 3.2, but I wasn't able to discover whe

Re: [WSG] List Headers?

2005-11-06 Thread Paul Novitski
At 11:15 PM 11/5/2005, Christian Montoya wrote: What I would like to do is have a list header, much like tables have table headers. I wrote more about this here: http://montoya.rdpdesign.com/2005/11/06/list-headers-an-idea/ But what it basically boils down to is having a tag I call "list header

[WSG] List Headers?

2005-11-05 Thread Christian Montoya
Hello all. I was thinking about a semantic way to do the following with a list: = header - item 1 - item 2 - item 3 Currently I do this: header ... This doesn't make it clear that the header refers to the list, though. What I would like to do is have a list header, much like tables have tabl