Re: [WSG] Newcomers and Web Standards (was editor)

2005-12-02 Thread XStandard
[Lori wrote] I am new to (trying to learn how) constructing standards conforming web pages using XHTML and would like to know what HTML editor you folks that are light years ahead of me would recommend? [Lachlan wrote] Since you're new, you might want to stick with HTML4 Lachlan, here is a

Re: [WSG] Newcomers and Web Standards (was editor)

2005-12-02 Thread Rimantas Liubertas
... Lachlan, here is a classic example of a person new to Web Standards asking for a recommendation about which editor to use and instead you embroil this person in a debate over MIME types. Do you think this is a healthy environment for newcomers to learn about Web Standards? Why do you

Re: [WSG] Newcomers and Web Standards (was editor)

2005-12-02 Thread XStandard
Here is Hickson's reasoning as taken from http://www.hixie.ch/advocacy/xhtml 1. Authors write XHTML that makes assumptions that are only valid for tag soup or HTML4 UAs, and not XHTML UAs, and send it as text/html. 2. Authors find everything works fine. 3. Time passes. 4. Author decides to

Re: [WSG] Newcomers and Web Standards (was editor)

2005-12-02 Thread Lachlan Hunt
Vlad Alexander (XStandard) wrote: Lachlan Hunt wrote: Lori Cole wrote: I am new to (trying to learn how) constructing standards conforming web pages using XHTML and would like to know what HTML editor you folks that are light years ahead of me would recommend? Since you're new, you might

Re: [WSG] Newcomers and Web Standards (was editor)

2005-12-02 Thread Matthew Cruickshank
Lachlan Hunt wrote: Yes. Why should we attempt to hide the truth from them, especially when they're just starting out and they need to lose/avoid any bad habits and mistakes as quickly as possible. Yours is a fringe and pedantic opinion, and you're being ridiculously harsh on XHTML. I'm

Re: [WSG] Newcomers and Web Standards (was editor)

2005-12-02 Thread Rimantas Liubertas
2005/12/2, XStandard Vlad Alexander [EMAIL PROTECTED]: So Rimantas, you have written invalid XHTML, served it as XML and then blamed XHTML because your Web site broke. Your assumption is wrong :) If you had written invalid HTML 4 and some User Agents had not parsed it correctly, would you

Re: [WSG] Newcomers and Web Standards (was editor)

2005-12-02 Thread XStandard
Lachlan, you have been on this list long enough to know that when you make extreme statements such as since you're new, you might want to stick with HTML4 or IE does not support XHTML, that debate will ensue. This is not what newcomers to Web Standards need. A better approach would have been to