RE: [WSG] Site Check: VVE
All, Just a quick ping to say that we've finished version 0.5 of the site which should include 95% of the feedback I received on the list. http://testdrive.fueladvance.com/vve/ Thanks, Tatham Oddie Fuel Advance - Ignite Your Idea www.fueladvance.com From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tatham Oddie (Fuel Advance) Sent: Tuesday, 2 August 2005 10:58 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Cc: Tom Harvey Subject: [WSG] Site Check: VVE Guys n gals, In light of the Broadleaf discussion/brawl the other week, I have a new proposal for you. In this case, bandwidth was critical due to the existing sites traffic base and formed a major design goal. http://testdrive.fueladvance.com/vve/ There are still some oddities in IE6, however I have posted to CSS-D about this. What I was mostly interested in some feedback on was the mark-up, etc I was just wondering if anybody had any pointers about how to improve it. Thanks in advance! And Ill try not to start a punchup this time. ;-) Thanks, Tatham Oddie Fuel Advance - Ignite Your Idea www.fueladvance.com
Re: [WSG] Site Check: VVE
Tatham Oddie (Fuel Advance) wrote: In light of the Broadleaf discussion/brawl the other week, I have a new proposal for you. In this case, bandwidth was critical due to the existing site’s traffic base and formed a major design goal. http://testdrive.fueladvance.com/vve/ http://testdrive.fueladvance.com/vve/Dashboard/Default.ashx There are still some oddities in IE6, however I have posted to CSS-D about this. What I was mostly interested in some feedback on was the mark-up, etc… I was just wondering if anybody had any pointers about how to improve it. Tatham Oddie http://www.fueladvance.com Tidy Online will eliminate all the white space on your file. Why are you using XHTML 1.1? Regards, David Laakso -- David Laakso http://www.dlaakso.com/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] Site Check: VVE
David, Tidy Online will eliminate all the white space on your file. The page is dynamically generated, hence all the weird tabbing that steps in an out. I'll get a server side filter working shortly that does that kind of stuff. Why are you using XHTML 1.1? Why not? Am I missing something newer or cooler? Thanks, Tatham Oddie Fuel Advance - Ignite Your Idea www.fueladvance.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Site Check: VVE
Tatham Oddie (Fuel Advance) wrote: David, Tidy Online will eliminate all the white space on your file. The page is dynamically generated, hence all the weird tabbing that steps in an out. I'll get a server side filter working shortly that does that kind of stuff. Why are you using XHTML 1.1? Why not? Am I missing something newer or cooler? Tatham, I think 'cool' is readable, usable, accessible content. I'm *asking* if XHTM 1.1 is the best way to deliver 'cool' content? Regards, David Laakso -- David Laakso http://www.dlaakso.com/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Site Check: VVE
On Tue, 02 Aug 2005 11:35:34 -0400, David Laakso [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: readable, usable, accessible content Is the page breaking in one of your browsers? -- Tom Livingston Senior Multimedia Artist Media Logic www.mlinc.com Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Site Check: VVE
Tom Livingston wrote: On Tue, 02 Aug 2005 11:35:34 -0400, David Laakso [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: readable, usable, accessible content Is the page breaking in one of your browsers? No, this page http://testdrive.fueladvance.com/vve/Dashboard/Default.ashx is not breaking in any of my browsers. Regards, David Laakso -- David Laakso http://www.dlaakso.com/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Site Check: VVE
On Tue, 02 Aug 2005 12:36:39 -0400, David Laakso [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No, this page http://testdrive.fueladvance.com/vve/Dashboard/Default.ashx is not breaking in any of my browsers. Regards, David Laakso So, XHTML 1.1 is bad because? -- Tom Livingston Senior Multimedia Artist Media Logic www.mlinc.com Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Site Check: VVE
Tom Livingston wrote: On Tue, 02 Aug 2005 12:36:39 -0400, David Laakso [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No, this page http://testdrive.fueladvance.com/vve/Dashboard/Default.ashx is not breaking in any of my browsers. Regards, David Laakso So, XHTML 1.1 is bad because? Hi Tom, Tatham has a good -- readable, usable, accessible, content driven-- page going. You might say it is 'cool.' I do not know that XHTML 1.1 is good or bad. I am asking an academic question: what doctype is best for Tatham's 'cool' page? Regards, David Laakso -- David Laakso http://www.dlaakso.com/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] Site Check: VVE
From: Tom Livingston So, XHTML 1.1 is bad because? Is there an issue that XHTML 1.1 should be served as media type application/xhtml+xml and should not be served as text/html? http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml-media-types/ As I understand it current browsers aren't well equipped to deal with the former media type and thus XHTML 1.1 is not a sensible choice for documents served to the web using public. -- Peter Williams ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] Site Check: VVE
David, One of the main advantages of XHTML for us is that we can use XML storage for the CMS, and just plug this straight into the page. The whole thing is XML. :-) Thanks, Tatham Oddie Fuel Advance - Ignite Your Idea www.fueladvance.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Laakso Sent: Wednesday, 3 August 2005 4:31 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Site Check: VVE Tom Livingston wrote: On Tue, 02 Aug 2005 12:36:39 -0400, David Laakso [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No, this page http://testdrive.fueladvance.com/vve/Dashboard/Default.ashx is not breaking in any of my browsers. Regards, David Laakso So, XHTML 1.1 is bad because? Hi Tom, Tatham has a good -- readable, usable, accessible, content driven-- page going. You might say it is 'cool.' I do not know that XHTML 1.1 is good or bad. I am asking an academic question: what doctype is best for Tatham's 'cool' page? Regards, David Laakso -- David Laakso http://www.dlaakso.com/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Site Check: VVE
Great work Tathan! The markup is very tight indeed! there is very small thing - that is you've left out the type attribute on the link tag at the top of the document. link rel=stylesheet href=../Skins/Vision.css type=text/css media=screen / Otherwise its great. It looks good and behaves well! D On 8/2/05, Tatham Oddie (Fuel Advance) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Guys n' gals, In light of the Broadleaf discussion/brawl the other week, I have a new proposal for you. In this case, bandwidth was critical due to the existing site's traffic base and formed a major design goal. http://testdrive.fueladvance.com/vve/ There are still some oddities in IE6, however I have posted to CSS-D about this. What I was mostly interested in some feedback on was the mark-up, etc… I was just wondering if anybody had any pointers about how to improve it. Thanks in advance! And I'll try not to start a punchup this time. ;-) Thanks, Tatham Oddie Fuel Advance - Ignite Your Idea www.fueladvance.com N�ŠÇ.²È¨žX¬µú+†Ûiÿü nËZ�Ö«vÈ+¢êh®Òyèm¶ŸÿÁæ쵩Ýj·l‚º.¦Šàþf¢—ø.‰×¥Šw¬qùŸ¢»(™èbžÛ(žš,¶)උazX¬¶¶)à…éi
Re: [WSG] Site Check: VVE
v. nice. Nothing really needs changing but you might consider: 1. Maybe use search instead of query as a label for the search form. 2. Your CSS issues may come form the use of multiple classes, which some browsers don't handle very well (I'll leave the css-d folks to look into this) 3. You might want to save some bytes by combining your CSS image related declarations. e.g background-color: white; background-image: url(Assets/HeaderBase.jpg); background-position: right top; background-repeat: no-repeat; is the same as: background: #fff url(Assets/HeaderBase.jpg) no-repeat right top; kind regards Terrence Wood. On 2 Aug 2005, at 12:58 PM, Tatham Oddie (Fuel Advance) wrote: Guys n' gals, In light of the Broadleaf discussion/brawl the other week, I have a new proposal for you. In this case, bandwidth was critical due to the existing site's traffic base and formed a major design goal. http://testdrive.fueladvance.com/vve/ http://testdrive.fueladvance.com/vve/Dashboard/Default.ashx There are still some oddities in IE6, however I have posted to CSS-D about this. What I was mostly interested in some feedback on was the mark-up, etc. I was just wondering if anybody had any pointers about how to improve it. Thanks in advance! And I'll try not to start a punchup this time. ;-) Thanks, Tatham Oddie Fuel Advance - Ignite Your Idea www.fueladvance.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Site Check: VVE
G'day http://testdrive.fueladvance.com/vve/ http://testdrive.fueladvance.com/vve/Dashboard/Default.ashx Pretty good (looks clean, code and layout wise). I don't like using as many classes as you do, but that's personal preference. The only real problem I see is accessibility - a number of links with the same text [read more] going to different URL's. (Checkpoint 13.1) And there's a couple of errors and warnings in the CSS. Regards -- Bert Doorn, Web Developer Better Web Design http://www.betterwebdesign.com.au/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Site Check: VVE
1. Maybe use search instead of query as a label for the search form. Maybe use Find instead of search or query (then again, your target audience is developers, so query is part of their vocab). 'Search' suggests that a 'hunt and peck/ hit and miss activity will follow. More important than that -- how about adding a notice in the footer Virtual Earth is a trademark of Microshlop. This site is neither endorsed nor affiliated with Microsoft. After all, they are the lawsuit type ;) Cheers, Andrew. http://leftjustified.net/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
