Re: [WSG] XHTML 1.1 & CSS3 - Is it worth using right now?

2008-05-14 Thread David Dorward
On 14 May 2008, at 05:26, Vlad Alexander (XStandard) wrote: Nikita wrote: the META tag would have to end in a /> and then it wouldn't be valid HTML anymore. I encourage you to try that with the W3C validator. You will not get the result you expect. Comes back as valid HTML, as I expected

Re: [WSG] XHTML 1.1 & CSS3 - Is it worth using right now?

2008-05-14 Thread Dean Edridge
Dean Matthews wrote: On May 13, 2008, at 3:44 PM, dwain wrote: where is it and is it incorporated into firefox yet? dwain On 5/12/08, Dean Matthews <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On May 12, 2008, at 11:13 PM, dwain wrote: and if you are wanting valid css then css3 will throw up errors in the w

Re: [WSG] XHTML 1.1 & CSS3 - Is it worth using right now?

2008-05-13 Thread XStandard
Nikita wrote: > I encourage you to try that with the W3C validator. You will > not get the result you expect. Comes back as valid HTML, as I expected. The validator did flag "/>" as warnings which it did not a few years back when the example was originally created. But W3C's validator warning mes

Re: [WSG] XHTML 1.1 & CSS3 - Is it worth using right now?

2008-05-13 Thread Nikita The Spider The Spider
On Tue, May 13, 2008 at 10:02 PM, XStandard Vlad Alexander <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Nikita wrote: > > the META tag would have to end in a /> and then it > > wouldn't be valid HTML anymore. > Sure it would. It may not be in the spec but it's a de facto standard. > Even the W3C validator wil

Re: [WSG] XHTML 1.1 & CSS3 - Is it worth using right now?

2008-05-13 Thread XStandard
Nikita wrote: > the example you provided isn't valid XHTML. I think you may have misunderstood. The example in this screen shot: http://xstandard.com/94E7EECB-E7CF-4122-A6AF-8F817AA53C78/html-layout-xhtml-content.gif .. shows how to embed XHTML 1.1 content into an HTML 4.01 Transitional page layo

Re: [WSG] XHTML 1.1 & CSS3 - Is it worth using right now?

2008-05-13 Thread James Pickering
>From time to time over the past several years I have served web pages as XHTML >1.0 with content (MIME) type text/html to IE Browsers and with content (MIME) >type application/xhtml+xml to Browsers that recognize that content type -- via >Content Negotiation. My current Home Page -- http://jp

Re: [WSG] XHTML 1.1 & CSS3 - Is it worth using right now?

2008-05-13 Thread dwain
thanks for the info. cheers, dwain On 5/13/08, Dean Matthews <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On May 13, 2008, at 3:44 PM, dwain wrote: > > > > where is it and is it incorporated into firefox yet? > > dwain > > > > On 5/12/08, Dean Matthews <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > On May 12, 2008, at 11:1

Re: [WSG] XHTML 1.1 & CSS3 - Is it worth using right now?

2008-05-13 Thread Dean Matthews
On May 13, 2008, at 3:44 PM, dwain wrote: where is it and is it incorporated into firefox yet? dwain On 5/12/08, Dean Matthews <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On May 12, 2008, at 11:13 PM, dwain wrote: and if you are wanting valid css then css3 will throw up errors in the w3c css validator.

Re: [WSG] XHTML 1.1 & CSS3 - Is it worth using right now?

2008-05-13 Thread Nikita The Spider The Spider
On Tue, May 13, 2008 at 3:17 PM, XStandard Vlad Alexander <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi Nikita, > > > > Are you talking about putting an HTML doctype on > > XHTML 1.1-formatted code > Yes, but normally you would put XHTML 1.1 markup into an template written > for a different DOCTYPE as shown

Re: [WSG] XHTML 1.1 & CSS3 - Is it worth using right now?

2008-05-13 Thread dwain
where is it and is it incorporated into firefox yet? dwain On 5/12/08, Dean Matthews <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On May 12, 2008, at 11:13 PM, dwain wrote: > > > > and if you are wanting valid css then css3 will throw up errors in the > > w3c css validator. > > > > Not if you use the CSS level 3

Re: [WSG] XHTML 1.1 & CSS3 - Is it worth using right now?

2008-05-13 Thread XStandard
Hi Nikita, > Are you talking about putting an HTML doctype on > XHTML 1.1-formatted code Yes, but normally you would put XHTML 1.1 markup into an template written for a different DOCTYPE as shown in this screen shot: http://xstandard.com/94E7EECB-E7CF-4122-A6AF-8F817AA53C78/html-layout-xhtml-con

Re: [WSG] XHTML 1.1 & CSS3 - Is it worth using right now?

2008-05-13 Thread Nikita The Spider The Spider
On Mon, May 12, 2008 at 10:57 PM, XStandard Vlad Alexander <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > HTH wrote: > >...server has to do content negotiation in order to send > > >text/html with one doctype (HTML or XHTML 1.0) to IE users and > >application/xhtml+xml/XHTML 1.1 to everyone else. That means > >yo

Re: [WSG] XHTML 1.1 & CSS3 - Is it worth using right now?

2008-05-12 Thread Thomas Thomassen
you use it's modular nature. - Original Message - From: "Vlad Alexander (XStandard)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2008 4:57 AM Subject: Re: [WSG] XHTML 1.1 & CSS3 - Is it worth using right now? HTH wrote: ...server has to do content ne

Re: [WSG] XHTML 1.1 & CSS3 - Is it worth using right now?

2008-05-12 Thread Thomas Thomassen
kita The Spider The Spider" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2008 2:36 AM Subject: Re: [WSG] XHTML 1.1 & CSS3 - Is it worth using right now? On Mon, May 12, 2008 at 4:42 PM, Simon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi, Does anyone use XHTML 1.1 Of the doctypes

Re: [WSG] XHTML 1.1 & CSS3 - Is it worth using right now?

2008-05-12 Thread David Dorward
On 13 May 2008, at 01:36, Nikita The Spider The Spider wrote: One big impediment to using XHTML 1.1 is that it must be sent with the application/xhtml+xml media type which makes IE6 choke. ... and IE7 and IE8. Adding support for XHTML hasn't been a priority for Microsoft (presumably because

Re: [WSG] XHTML 1.1 & CSS3 - Is it worth using right now?

2008-05-12 Thread Dean Matthews
On May 12, 2008, at 11:13 PM, dwain wrote: and if you are wanting valid css then css3 will throw up errors in the w3c css validator. Not if you use the CSS level 3 validator ;) *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org

Re: [WSG] XHTML 1.1 & CSS3 - Is it worth using right now?

2008-05-12 Thread dwain
and if you are wanting valid css then css3 will throw up errors in the w3c css validator. dwain *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help

Re: [WSG] XHTML 1.1 & CSS3 - Is it worth using right now?

2008-05-12 Thread XStandard
HTH wrote: >...server has to do content negotiation in order to send >text/html with one doctype (HTML or XHTML 1.0) to IE users and >application/xhtml+xml/XHTML 1.1 to everyone else. That means >you're generating two copies of all of your content Assuming your are not writing static pages, you onl

Re: [WSG] XHTML 1.1 & CSS3 - Is it worth using right now?

2008-05-12 Thread Andrew McGrath
> "One big impediment to using XHTML 1.1 is that it must be sent with the > application/xhtml+xml media type which makes IE6 choke. That implies > that the server has to do content negotiation in order to send > text/html with one doctype (HTML or XHTML 1.0) to IE users and > application/xhtml+xml/

Re: [WSG] XHTML 1.1 & CSS3 - Is it worth using right now?

2008-05-12 Thread Ben Buchanan
Is there a reason why not many sites adopt this Doctype and is there any > point using right now if your site is 1.0 Strict? Very very generally, I've found it's less critical which standard you use than whether your stuff validates in your chosen standard. Secondly, I see a lot of sites that sp

Re: [WSG] XHTML 1.1 & CSS3 - Is it worth using right now?

2008-05-12 Thread Nikita The Spider The Spider
On Mon, May 12, 2008 at 4:42 PM, Simon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi, > > Does anyone use XHTML 1.1 Of the doctypes that my validator Nikita saw in one sample period, just slightly over 2% were XHTML 1.1. It's worth noting that most, if not all, were sent with the wrong media type. http://Niki

Re: [WSG] XHTML 1.1 & CSS3 - Is it worth using right now?

2008-05-12 Thread David Storey
On 12 May 2008, at 22:42, Simon wrote: Hi, Does anyone use XHTML 1.1 and does it provide any benefits? I've read up on what the differences are but I was under the belief IE won't support it without a particular hack. Is there a reason why not many sites adopt this Doctype and is there

[WSG] XHTML 1.1 & CSS3 - Is it worth using right now?

2008-05-12 Thread Simon
Hi, Does anyone use XHTML 1.1 and does it provide any benefits? I've read up on what the differences are but I was under the belief IE won't support it without a particular hack. Is there a reason why not many sites adopt this Doctype and is there any point using right now if your site is 1.0 Str