Blockquote is one of those tags that was badly misused for styling purposes.
Now it can only be used within a block level element, namely p. I like to
use the q tag because it introduces quote marks in Firefox.
I can't see what value it now has. Being a block quote you would assume it
is a block
On 04/04/2010 10:38, Chris Price wrote:
Blockquote is one of those tags that was badly misused for styling
purposes. Now it can only be used within a block level element, namely
p. I like to use the q tag because it introduces quote marks in Firefox.
I can't see what value it now has. Being a
On 4 April 2010 04:38, Chris Price chris.pr...@choctaw.co.uk wrote:
Blockquote is one of those tags that was badly misused for styling purposes.
Now it can only be used within a block level element, namely p. I like to
use the q tag because it introduces quote marks in Firefox.
I do a lot of
On 4/4/10 2:53 AM, Patrick H. Lauke wrote:
... one thing blockquote does have that q doesn't is also the cite
attribute (as minimally useful as it is today).
I believe that Q elements do allow the cite attribute. But, as you say,
this is rarely useful. Q may be more useful when writing in
At 4/3/2010 07:39 PM, T. R. Valentine wrote:
Apparently, blockquote/blockquote cannot be used alone. It
produces 'character data is not allowed here'. What does it need?
Check the spec:
HTML 4.01 Specification
9 Text
9.2 Structured text
9.2.2 Quotations: The BLOCKQUOTE and Q elements
Hi T. R.,
You wrote:
Apparently, blockquote/blockquote cannot be used alone. It
produces 'character data is not allowed here'. What does it need?
I think I've seen this before and put my text inside a p block
inside the blockquote to solve the problem.
Also, can the blockquote tag have a
On 3 April 2010 22:26, Gene Falck gfa...@merr.com wrote:
Hi T. R.,
You wrote:
Apparently, blockquote/blockquote cannot be used alone. It
produces 'character data is not allowed here'. What does it need?
I think I've seen this before and put my text inside a p block
inside the blockquote
James Jeffery wrote:
Thanks for the heads up guys. I know how to use blockquote, that's not
an issue, but I'm wondering if using cite would be worth it.
I won't be storing the URL from the original page. If I did citing the
orig. page that could get me into a while lot of trouble if I am
: Re: [WSG] Blockquote
James Jeffery wrote:
Thanks for the heads up guys. I know how to use blockquote, that's not an
issue, but I'm wondering if using cite would be worth it.
I won't be storing the URL from the original page. If I did citing the
orig. page that could get me into a while lot
Bringing it all back to the core question: cite is an optional
attribute, so can be omitted when using the blockquote element.
P
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the content!!
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James Jeffery wrote:
Thanks for the heads up guys. I know how to use blockquote, that's not an
issue
for their permission to use the
content!!
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On Jan 8, 2009, at 8:49 AM, Adam Martin wrote:
but theft is theft, because someone else does it does not change
the law...
indeed...
but I'm losing track of what exactly this has to do with standards?
Andrew
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On Thu, Jan 8, 2009 at 1:58 PM, Andrew Maben and...@andrewmaben.com wrote:
On Jan 8, 2009, at 8:49 AM, Adam Martin wrote:
but theft is theft, because someone else does it does not change the law...
indeed...
but I'm
I'm developing a site. A quote site infact. For the quotes I think it's wise
to use blockquote ... but, the quotes are being scraped from other sites
so how would I cite them? Could I use a wiki url for the author? And what if
the author is unknown or has no wiki page.
Do I *need* to include the
... but, the quotes are being scraped from other sites so how would I cite
them?
I thought the cite attribute was the URL of the original page the quote came
from. For example (from
http://htmlhelp.com/reference/html40/block/blockquote.html):
BLOCKQUOTE
jamesjeffery@googlemail.com
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 5:58 PM
Subject: [WSG] Blockquote
I'm developing a site. A quote site infact. For the quotes I think it's
wise
to use blockquote ... but, the quotes are being scraped from other sites
so how would I cite them
2009/1/8 James Jeffery jamesjeffery@googlemail.com
I'm developing a site. A quote site infact. For the quotes I think it's
wise to use blockquote ... but, the quotes are being scraped from other
sites so how would I cite them? Could I use a wiki url for the author? And
what if the author
,,,and the cite attribute itself is optional, used only
when the quote, as you say, is scraped from another site. :)
The cite attribute is poorly supported by most browsers, in the sense
that they don't do anything with it. However, you can use a CSS
attribute selector and CSS generated content
Thanks for the heads up guys. I know how to use blockquote, that's not an
issue, but I'm wondering if using cite would be worth it.
I won't be storing the URL from the original page. If I did citing the orig.
page that could get me into a while lot of trouble if I am
mirroring/scraping/*stealing*
All right, this is probably a less than gripping question and more
pertinent to academic writing. Nonetheless. The blockquote element
requires that it enclose block level elements--in my case usually a
p. Since blockquotes are usually in a run of text (#content p), it
picks up the content
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Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2006 1:40 PM
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Subject: [WSG] BLOCKQUOTE Problem
All right, this is probably a less than gripping question and more
pertinent to academic writing. Nonetheless. The blockquote element
At 01:39 PM 1/28/2006, Paula Petrik wrote:
The blockquote element
requires that it enclose block level elements--in my case usually a
p. Since blockquotes are usually in a run of text (#content p), it
picks up the content p's line-height. But a blockquote,
typographically speaking, should have a
problem page?
Ted
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All right, this is probably a less than gripping question and more
Lynx is text-only in the really old computer sense of the word. It
can't display italics, only different text colors and background
colors. This isn't a problem though. Displaying blockquotes as
indented italics is just a popular way for graphical browsers to
display them by default. It's not
Hi,
It seems that screen viewer doesn't show blockquote' content in
italic. Is this supposed to be or I got the markup wrong.
this is the page (in Chinese):
http://www.whpsy.com/synth/view/04113002.htm
The blockquotes are in light olive background within the p tags. /*
Please ignore all
Apologies for being a bit slow on the uptake but the always
informative Roger Johansson (456bereastreet) has this useful article
[1] which supports what's been said and provides useful links to the
HTML4 spec.
James
[1]
Actually, the requirement for having p (or
whatever) in your blockquotes is sort of a weird
one, IMHO. I believe they've planned to remove that
from xhtml2, but in your case it makes sense anyways.
--- Cole Kuryakin - x7m [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I've inserted a bunch of brs
within the quote in
.
I'll take a stab at overflow - never used it before - instead of the
brs.
Cole
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Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2005 10:54 PM
Subject: Re: [WSG] Blockquote or Q?
Actually, the requirement for having p
Hi everyone.
I'm working on a site that contains 1 boxed quote per page. By
boxed, I mean there's a red border that encloses the quote.
These aren't famouse quotes - or anything particulary special
-just quotes from people who have read the pre-release of a new
book.
So, semantically
On Tue, 19 Apr 2005 20:40:53 +0800, Cole Kuryakin - x7m wrote:
So, semantically speaking, should I be using Blockquote or Q tags?
Blockquote, I beleive - you're correct in that q is meant for inline
eg
psome text qwhat he said/q more text./p
I normally start my css file with
* {
margin: 0;
In writing (like not-web writing) there is a thing were quotes that are
just are just a few lines are written in the normal flow of the text;
however, if a quote is more than 3-4 lines it is separate and indented
(about .5' on each side, but it depends on whose rules you use).
Anyways that is
Kuryakin -
x7mSent: April 19, 2005 07:41To:
wsg@webstandardsgroup.orgSubject: [WSG] Blockquote or
Q?
Hi everyone.
I'm working on a site that contains 1 boxed quote per page. By
boxed, I mean there's a red border that encloses the quote.
These aren't famouse quotes - or anything particulary speci
Hugues,
HB Blockquote for sure, and like Alan suggest, make use of normal tags inside.
HB And let me give you a nice trick to insert language specific quotemarks :
HB If you declare the language in your HTML tag like html lang=fr-ca ...
HB you can define inside your CSS what kind of quote mark to
Subject: Re[2]: [WSG] Blockquote or Q?
Hugues,
HB Blockquote for sure, and like Alan suggest, make use of normal tags
inside.
HB And let me give you a nice trick to insert language specific quotemarks
:
HB If you declare the language in your HTML tag like html lang=fr-ca
HB ... you can define
On 4/19/05, Alan Trick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Anyways that is what blockquote was meant to refer to. I your situation
I would use
div id='sidebar'
blockquote
pI am seldom attracted to books of this genre.p
pThis author was recommended by a friend, and I couldn't put it
Hughes -
That is a neat trick. Thanks for sharing!
Cole
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Hugues
Brunelle
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Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 11:11
PM
Subject: RE: [WSG] Blockquote or Q?
Hi Cole,
Blockquote for sure, and like Alan suggest
. Just a
design thing. Is this really a no, no or would this be permissable?
Cole
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Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 9:43 PM
Subject: Re: [WSG] Blockquote or Q?
In writing (like not-web writing
Ok, I consider myself fairly savvy in XHTML, but for the life of me I
can't figure out what the cite attribute of blockquote is really good
for if it doesn't display to the end user. If you are quoting something
that needs to be cited, shouldn't it be in a way that any reader can see
the
There is this format for presenting quotes
As CITEHarry S. Truman/CITE said,
Q lang=en-usThe buck stops here./Q
More info here : http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40/struct/text.html#edef-CITE
On Thu, 21 Oct 2004 10:57:09 -0500, Daniel Bowling
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Ok, I consider myself fairly
Daniel Bowling wrote:
shouldn't it be in a way that any reader can see
the attribution?
Of course. Unfortunately, this is a user agent issue, and no mainstream
browser (as far as I'm aware of) exposes this attribute to the user. It
*can* be visually displayed via CSS (:before / :after and the
Clayton Lengel-Zigich wrote:
There is this format for presenting quotes
As CITEHarry S. Truman/CITE said,
Q lang=en-usThe buck stops here./Q
The problem with that (and yes, I know it's an official W3C example) is
that it does not unequivocally link the CITE with the Q (not in the same
way that,
H. Lauke
Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2004 1:49 PM
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Subject: Re: [WSG] blockquote cite=what the?
Clayton Lengel-Zigich wrote:
There is this format for presenting quotes
As CITEHarry S. Truman/CITE said,
Q lang=en-usThe buck stops here./Q
The problem with that (and yes, I
The problem with that (and yes, I know it's an official W3C example) is
that it does not unequivocally link the CITE with the Q (not in the same
way that, for instance, LABEL is linked to an INPUT or other form
control via the FOR attribute). So the relationship between those two
elements is
Clayton Lengel-Zigich wrote:
That is a good point, however is there an instance where the two would
not appear to be linked when viewing the page? (e.g. a screen reader
or something)
Ok, aside from any automated harvesting tools or whatever, consider the
scenario of a screenreader user who skips
Patrick H. Lauke wrote:
[snip] consider the scenario of a screenreader user who skips from
paragraph to paragraph, and ends up on the second paragraph of this
pciteHarry S. Truman/cite said,
q lang=en-usThe buck stops here./q/p
...
pHe then also said qsomething else entirely/q./p
Now, assuming
On 22 Oct 2004, at 02:23, Paul Connolley wrote:
[snip] consider the scenario of a screenreader user who skips from
paragraph to paragraph, and ends up on the second paragraph of this
[snip a whole load more]
I'll reiterate that
I see that I reiterated nothing. I've missed a bit out that I
Paul Connolley wrote:
This is a perfectly natural English language grammar.
Sorry, wasn't advocating changing the writing style, but having a
mechanism in place to unequivocally tie a CITE course to Q or BLOCKQUOTE
and have those pesky browsers actually expose that information to the
user
Patrick H. Lauke wrote:
Paul Connolley wrote:
This is a perfectly natural English language grammar.
Sorry, wasn't advocating changing the writing style, but having a
mechanism in place to unequivocally tie a CITE course to Q or
BLOCKQUOTE
My apologies also if I came across wrong. I agree with
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