Re: [WSG] list's with header text
Exactly for that point; IMHO decribing the content rather than the presentation makes your markup easier to read, style and manage by whomever - users, coders, accessibility tools, browsers, search engines, and yourself, this is why web standards are so important. Some interesting reading on suggested markup guidelines can be found at http://www.stuffandnonsense.co.uk/archives/whats_in_a_name.html and http://www.stuffandnonsense.co.uk/archives/whats_in_a_name_pt2.html On 01/02/06, kvnmcwebn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: ok thanks,just to clarify a point: what odds that the ul id have a semanticallysuitable name-beside making sense to people working in the code after me?-thanks againkvnmcewbn** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help**
RE: [WSG] list's with header text
ok thanks, just to clarify a point: what odds that the ul id have a semantically suitable name-beside making sense to people working in the code after me? -thanks again kvnmcewbn ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help **
Re: [WSG] list's with header text
I would use: Buncrana Town Community Where 'bananas' is replaced with a semantically suitable name such as main for main navigation or supp for supplemental etc... I would use h3 as long as it fits in with the rest of your markup, for example h1 for page subject, h2 for content subjects on the current page, h3 for content subjects off page. Darren On 01/02/06, kvnmcwebn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: hi,for a vertical navigation bar with multiple headings like this: Buncrana Town . Community.so on... What is the proper heading to use(h1, h2, h3)?-best kvnmcwebn**The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help**
RE: [WSG] list's with header text
hi, for a vertical navigation bar with multiple headings like this: Buncrana Town Business Directory Accomodation Directory . Community Groups Clubs . so on... What is the proper heading to use(h1, h2, h3)? -best kvnmcwebn ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help **
Re: [WSG] list's with header text
On 31/01/2006, at 10:54 PM, Patrick Lauke wrote: It's not really a scalable solution, IMHO. Possibly true, but it doesn't make the concept entirely useless. As someone already mentioned, the source order should be enough to inform what the heading refers to, without the need for explicit association. Generally, yes. Its certainly what I use ATM. I guess we're all just looking for that magic bullet :) Lea -- Lea de Groot Brisbane, Australia ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help **
RE: [WSG] list's with header text
> kvnmcwebn >> patrick wrote >> "As someone already mentioned, the source order should be >> enough to inform >> what the heading refers to, without the need for explicit >> association." > > sorry i dont understand this could someone please explain? If you have a heading, followed by some other content (but not a heading of same or higher importance), the heading can be assumed to refer to that content. Fairly simple. This heading refers to what comes after it this is part of what the h1 refers to this is also part of what the h1 refers to Another heading this is now part of what the other heading refers to this is also part of what the other heading refers to I.e.: the order in which the elements are present in the source code should be enough to determine which heading refers to what... Patrick Patrick H. Lauke Web Editor / University of Salford http://www.salford.ac.uk Web Standards Project (WaSP) Accessibility Task Force http://webstandards.org/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help **
RE: [WSG] list's with header text
patrick wrote "As someone already mentioned, the source order should be enough to inform what the heading refers to, without the need for explicit association." sorry i dont understand this could someone please explain? -best kvnmcwebn ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help **
RE: [WSG] list's with header text
> Lea de Groot > Wouldn't > > > be nice? :) So what do you do when you have 2 or more elements that the heading refers to? etc? It's not really a scalable solution, IMHO. As someone already mentioned, the source order should be enough to inform what the heading refers to, without the need for explicit association. Patrick Patrick H. Lauke Web Editor / University of Salford http://www.salford.ac.uk Web Standards Project (WaSP) Accessibility Task Force http://webstandards.org/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help **
Re: [WSG] list's with header text
Thanks Ric, you're definitely right and this would work. It would be nice however if there was an equivalent to the Summary or Legend attribute where a screen reader would read out that there is an unordered list with say, 10 items and then read the summary at the top. What you say would work well though, just a whim really. Cheers mate Paul - Original Message - From: Ric Raftis To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 11:43 AM Subject: Re: [WSG] list's with header text G'day Paul,I haven't done coding on this, however I think it may be possible by setting a class for your bold heading with no bottom padding or margin and then using an ordered list.Regards,RicPaul Collins wrote:Paul Collins wrote:> Hello all.> > Just wondering if there is such a thing as a header tag for a HTML > list, or , such as the TH tag or the Summary tag for a table? > Would be a handy feature, but I haven't seen anything like this out > there yet?> > So you could have:> > *The following are the days of the week*> 1. Monday> 2. Tuesday> 3. Wednesday> > and so on, with there being some method of indicating that the heading > is related to the list items.> > Would anyone know if this is possible or a W3C plan in the works?> > Cheers> Paul**The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help**
Re: [WSG] list's with header text
Hi thanks all for your replies. Stephen, are definition lists supported by JAWS or any other screen reader? Last time I tried to test them with JAWS it didn't seem to pick up that it was anything different to normal text. Maybe you can tell me otherwise. Thanks Paul - Original Message - From: Stephen Stagg To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 11:33 AM Subject: Re: [WSG] list's with header text Sarcasm Alert :)Stephen.On 31 Jan 2006, at 11:09, Martin Heiden wrote:> Paul,>> on Tuesday, January 31, 2006 at 11:39 wsg@webstandardsgroup.org wrote:>> What's wrong with this?>> The following are the days of the week> > Monday> Tuesday> Wednesday> >> regards>> Martin>>>>>> **> The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/>> See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm> for some hints on posting to the list & getting help> **>**The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help**
Re: [WSG] list's with header text
G'day Paul, I haven't done coding on this, however I think it may be possible by setting a class for your bold heading with no bottom padding or margin and then using an ordered list. Regards, Ric Paul Collins wrote: Paul Collins wrote: Hello all. Just wondering if there is such a thing as a header tag for a HTML list, or , such as the TH tag or the Summary tag for a table? Would be a handy feature, but I haven't seen anything like this out there yet? So you could have: *The following are the days of the week* 1. Monday 2. Tuesday 3. Wednesday and so on, with there being some method of indicating that the heading is related to the list items. Would anyone know if this is possible or a W3C plan in the works? Cheers Paul ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help **
Re: [WSG] list's with header text
On 31/01/2006, at 8:39 PM, Paul Collins wrote: Just wondering if there is such a thing as a header tag for a HTML list, or , such as the TH tag or the Summary tag for a table? No, sadly. The only way to 'associate' a header with some following content is to wrap the set in a div, or similar: The following are the days of the week: Monday Tuesday Wednesday ... Wouldn't be nice? :) Who's got the ear of the W3C? ;) Lea -- Lea de Groot Brisbane, Australia ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help **
Re: [WSG] list's with header text
Sarcasm Alert :) Stephen. On 31 Jan 2006, at 11:09, Martin Heiden wrote: Paul, on Tuesday, January 31, 2006 at 11:39 wsg@webstandardsgroup.org wrote: What's wrong with this? The following are the days of the week Monday Tuesday Wednesday regards Martin ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help **
Re: [WSG] list's with header text
Regrettably not. I'd also love some way to associate a header element with content, much like fieldset's legend element does, but unfortunately (or perhaps fortunately, because it'd be potentially hellish to make work consistently with some automated content management stuff!) no such thing exists. Mind you, linear association is pretty sensible, at least until we start doing stupid things with JavaScript/the DOM, so it's probably not an amazingly required element. Josh On 1/31/06, Paul Collins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hello all. > > Just wondering if there is such a thing as a header tag for a HTML list, > or , such as the TH tag or the Summary tag for a table? Would be a > handy feature, but I haven't seen anything like this out there yet? > > So you could have: > > The following are the days of the week > 1. Monday > 2. Tuesday > 3. Wednesday > > and so on, with there being some method of indicating that the heading is > related to the list items. > > Would anyone know if this is possible or a W3C plan in the works? > > Cheers > Paul ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help **
Re: [WSG] list's with header text
Paul, on Tuesday, January 31, 2006 at 11:39 wsg@webstandardsgroup.org wrote: What's wrong with this? The following are the days of the week Monday Tuesday Wednesday regards Martin ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help **
[WSG] list's with header text
Hello all. Just wondering if there is such a thing as a header tag for a HTML list, or , such as the TH tag or the Summary tag for a table? Would be a handy feature, but I haven't seen anything like this out there yet? So you could have: The following are the days of the week 1. Monday 2. Tuesday 3. Wednesday and so on, with there being some method of indicating that the heading is related to the list items. Would anyone know if this is possible or a W3C plan in the works? Cheers Paul
