> I don't see the point of the null alt strings.
Consider e.g. sponsor images. You don't want to "pollute" your SEOed
page with sponsor keywords, nor is it necessary from an accessibility
point of view.
Cheers,
Jens
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ahhh hahaha
thats brilliant!!
Tom said:
> How about a real 'attributes for dummies' reference??
are you writing a book?
2008/5/28 Tom Livingston <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> On Tue, May 27, 2008 at 6:57 PM, Andrew Maben <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> On May 27, 2008, at 3:43 PM, Andrew Freedman
On Tue, May 27, 2008 at 6:57 PM, Andrew Maben <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On May 27, 2008, at 3:43 PM, Andrew Freedman wrote:
>
> kate provided the following information on 28/05/2008 5:21 AM:
>
> The alt tag which is'nt really the right discription is really called the
> attribute tag.
> Kate
>
>
Darren West wrote:
There is the argument that you are changing the behaviour of IE,
however wrong it is, it could be what users expect. I believe Jaws
ignores empty attributes so all good there ...
I do not think one should meddle with a browser's behavior in minor
cases like "showing alt-text
On 28 May 2008, at 13:39, Darren West wrote:
Rick,
what email client are you using? how do you get the 'on 28 may darren
wrote ...' and the border-left on the quote?
Cheers
Darren
Drifting OT now, but it's plain old Apple Mail. The border-left, as
you call it, is just Mail's way of indica
Rick,
what email client are you using? how do you get the 'on 28 may darren
wrote ...' and the border-left on the quote?
Cheers
Darren
2008/5/28 Rick Lecoat <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> On 28 May 2008, at 12:53, Darren West wrote:
>
>> There is the argument that you are changing the behaviour of IE,
Rick Lecoat wrote:
>I agree that that's an argument. But the counter-argument, to my mind, is that
>I'm *correcting* the behaviour of IE through markup and css
>(well, ok, not css in this case) to bring it into line with standards
>compliant browsers, which is what we, ad web designers/developer
On 28 May 2008, at 12:53, Darren West wrote:
There is the argument that you are changing the behaviour of IE,
however wrong it is, it could be what users expect.
I agree that that's an argument. But the counter-argument, to my mind,
is that I'm *correcting* the behaviour of IE through markup
There is the argument that you are changing the behaviour of IE,
however wrong it is, it could be what users expect. I believe Jaws
ignores empty attributes so all good there ...
2008/5/28 Darren West <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Seems like a good idea, any implications?
>
>
> 2008/5/28 Rick Lecoat <[E
Seems like a good idea, any implications?
2008/5/28 Rick Lecoat <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> On 28 May 2008, at 11:31, Gunlaug Sørtun wrote:
>
>> Me too. IE/win shows title-text on images when such exists, otherwise it
>> shows the alt-text if such exists.
>
> For this reason I quite often use a null-v
On 28 May 2008, at 11:31, Gunlaug Sørtun wrote:
Me too. IE/win shows title-text on images when such exists,
otherwise it
shows the alt-text if such exists.
For this reason I quite often use a null-value title attribute
alongside filled-in alt text, simply because I don't *want* tooltips
Designer wrote:
I'm getting confused now - on MY IE6, the title is displayed on
hover, not the alt. I was originally testing with my standalone IE6,
so I checked on my laptop, (with 'real' IE6) and got the same
result!
Me too. IE/win shows title-text on images when such exists, otherwise it
Ted Drake wrote:
Sorry but on hover, IE6 will show "this is a dog" and other browsers will
show "oh no it isn't"
-Original Message-
Just to confuse the issue, as well as clarify it, this example:
WILL show the message 'this is a dog' when hovered in IE, even when the
image
On 28 May 2008, at 09:50, Michael MD wrote:
I don't see the point of the null alt strings.
A validator is a tool to help you ... its not the be all and end all
- you need to interpret the results with a bit of common sense.
It seems rather pointless and silly to just try to fool the validato
Sorry but on hover, IE6 will show "this is a dog" and other browsers will
show "oh no it isn't"
If your tooltips are really that critical, use the YUI tooltip javascript to
get cross-browser compatibility to display the title attribute. You can also
style them. http://developer.yahoo.com/yui/conta
Jason Ray wrote:
The information in the alt attribute will only display when the image is
not available - [snip]
The information in the title attribute will display when the pointer
hovers over the object or image.
Just to confuse the issue, as well as clarify it, this example:
WILL show
So what's the general consensus on the use of null or empty alt strings as
per the reasons outlined in the article below?
http://www.stuffandnonsense.co.uk/archives/accessible_alternatives.html
I don't see the point of the null alt strings.
A validator is a tool to help you ... its not the
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
So what's the general consensus on the use of null or empty alt
strings as per the reasons outlined in the article below?
http://www.stuffandnonsense.co.uk/archives/accessible_alternatives.html
The choice between alt-text or no alt-text depends entirely on whether
an a
As i remember alt was short for alternative text, to describe images in
a website.
It is als yuseful for Search ENgine Optimization as its visible for them
to also
relate them to content, titles and other components of the page.
text-only browsers display it. ...
It's text for people w
gt; Kate
> - Original Message - From: "Andrew Freedman"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To:
> Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2008 8:10 PM
> Subject: Re: [WSG] Alt versus Title Attribute
>
>
>>
>> Tom Livingston provided the following information on 28/05/2008 3:2
right discription is really called
the attribute tag.
Kate
- Original Message - From: "Andrew Freedman"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To:
Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2008 8:10 PM
Subject: Re: [WSG] Alt versus Title Attribute
Tom Livingston provided the following information on 28/
accessibility validators will let you know if you missed an alt
attribute and will suggest adding titles where there are either
sketchy titles or no titles at all.
dwain
On 5/27/08, Jason Ray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> hmm... is accessibility not a feature of standards compliance? I'm
> forgett
hmm... is accessibility not a feature of standards compliance? I'm
forgetting whether the W3C HTML validator will reject img elements without
the alt attribute, or if it's just the accessibility validators that do so.
Jason
On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 10:55 AM, dwain <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On
On 5/27/08, Jason Ray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> The alt attribute should always be included in order to be standards
> compliant,
and accessible
the title is optional.
some accessibility software i use says it's a good idea to use a title
for accessibility reasons. the software is adesigner
The information in the alt attribute will only display when the image is not
available - this is particularly useful for people with disabilities using
text readers, or people browsing with images turned off (people on dial-up
connections might do this). The alt attribute is used to describe what t
Those guys at berea street are good!!
I always find useful stuff on that site ... :)
- susie
On 28/5/08 6:49 AM, "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> Can anyone give me a clear example/explanation of the difference
>> between the alt attribute and the title attribute? How about
On May 27, 2008, at 3:43 PM, Andrew Freedman wrote:
kate provided the following information on 28/05/2008 5:21 AM:
The alt tag which is'nt really the right discription is really
called the attribute tag.
Kate
Patrick H. Lauke also provided the following information on
28/05/2008 5:33 AM:
> Can anyone give me a clear example/explanation of the difference
> between the alt attribute and the title attribute? How about a real
> 'attributes for dummies' reference?? The difference seems very slight
> to me...
>
Hi Tom,
Try this link:
http://www.456bereastreet.com/archive/200412/the
I'm not sure exactly what the spec says, go read it, but alt stands
for alternative so the content would be represented alternatively when
say the other content was unavailble. Where as title is meant to
provide additional information related to the content such as a title.
So
2008/5/27 Tom
kate provided the following information on 28/05/2008 5:21 AM:
The alt tag which is'nt really the right discription is really called
the attribute tag.
Kate
Patrick H. Lauke also provided the following information on 28/05/2008
5:33 AM:
or...the alt attribute, if you want to correct people...
On 5/27/08, Andrew Freedman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Tom Livingston provided the following information on 28/05/2008 3:26 AM:
>
> > Can anyone give me a clear example/explanation of the difference
> > between the alt attribute and the title attribute? How about a real
> > 'attributes for dum
Tom Livingston provided the following information on 28/05/2008 3:26 AM:
Can anyone give me a clear example/explanation of the difference
between the alt attribute and the title attribute? How about a real
'attributes for dummies' reference?? The difference seems very slight
to me...
Hi Tom,
kate wrote:
The alt tag which is'nt really the right discription is really called
the attribute tag.
or...the alt attribute, if you want to correct people...
--
Patrick H. Lauke
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re·dux (adj.): brought back; returned. used postposit
The alt tag which is'nt really the right discription is really called the
attribute tag.
Kate
- Original Message -
From: "Andrew Freedman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To:
Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2008 8:10 PM
Subject: Re: [WSG] Alt versus Title Attribute
Tom Li
Tom Livingston provided the following information on 28/05/2008 3:26 AM:
Can anyone give me a clear example/explanation of the difference
between the alt attribute and the title attribute? How about a real
'attributes for dummies' reference?? The difference seems very slight
to me...
Hi Tom
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