Re: [WSG] Box model in IE7

On 2009/04/24 20:34 (GMT+1000) daniel a. thornbury composed: >>> On 24/04/2009, at 7:47 PM, Rimantas Liubertas wrote: >>> And there is NOTHING wrong with pixel sizes. >> On 2009/04/24 12:47 (GMT+0300) Rimantas Liubertas composed: >> On the contrary, everything is wrong with pixel sizing fonts,

Re: [WSG] Box model in IE7

Chris F.A. Johnson wrote: We were told in the past by a massive client that for accessibility purposes font sizes needed to be set to 74% as a minimum as the basic reading size below which it's a straign on the eyes. To answer the O.P. question about IE box sizing-- I think the issue has more

Re: [WSG] Box model in IE7

n. To be honest though it doesn't affect the web site, I am just curious as to the slightly different gaps in IE7 from Firefox. Stephen - Original Message - From: "Rimantas Liubertas" To: Sent: Friday, April 24, 2009 3:08 PM Subject: Re: [WSG] Box model in IE7 Getting b

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Re: [WSG] Box model in IE7

Well, good deal then. :) -- Brett P. On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 10:08 AM, Rimantas Liubertas wrote: > > Getting back on subject, I do not think the box model has been fixed in > IE7, > > but I do not know for sure. You might try adding margin for separation > with > > containing div tags in browse

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> Getting back on subject, I do not think the box model has been fixed in IE7, > but I do not know for sure. You might try adding margin for separation with > containing div tags in browsers. Once again: box model was fixed in IE6, given your page has proper doctype (and nothing above it). http://

Re: [WSG] Box model in IE7

Getting back on subject, I do not think the box model has been fixed in IE7, but I do not know for sure. You might try adding margin for separation with containing div tags in browsers. -- Brett P. Is the box model in IE7 still messed up? I thought they sorted it? > > I am floating a div to the

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If a developer is able to do something about making interfaces work well in non standards compliant user agent without breaking standards, they should absolutely do so. Most of the time this requires little or no work at all. Font sizing is a simple issue and it is easy to cater for all user agent

Re: [WSG] Box model in IE7

CSS coder, JS coder, PHP coder and designer should all be very familiar with accessibility principles. Developing non-accessible systems is like making a family car which can only drive on tarmac surface, but as soon as it hits anything else grinds to a holt. That's just plain old wrong. This year

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Tee, My original comment was meant to be taken light-heartedly, but was also taken in direct response to the article quoted by CK: Why Programmers Suck at CSS Design Your comment itself seems to be contradicting itself: If developers _are_

Re: [WSG] Box model in IE7

On Apr 24, 2009, at 2:21 AM, > wrote: Personally, I think there should have been a companion article explaining why designers can't write code. And they love to say there is a good reason why developers shouldn't touch design :-) Let's do a calculation on a cost on how website being bui

Re: [WSG] Box model in IE7

On 24/04/2009, at 7:47 PM, Rimantas Liubertas wrote: And there is NOTHING wrong with pixel sizes. On 2009/04/24 12:47 (GMT+0300) Rimantas Liubertas composed: On the contrary, everything is wrong with pixel sizing fonts, because any "size" in px totally disregards the size the visitor has set

Re: [WSG] Box model in IE7

--Original Message-- From: Felix Miata Sender: li...@webstandardsgroup.org To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org ReplyTo: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Box model in IE7 Sent: Apr 24, 2009 11:11 AM On 2009/04/24 12:47 (GMT+0300) Rimantas Liubertas composed: > And there is NOTHING wro

Re: [WSG] Box model in IE7

On 2009/04/24 12:47 (GMT+0300) Rimantas Liubertas composed: > And there is NOTHING wrong with pixel sizes. On the contrary, everything is wrong with pixel sizing fonts, because any "size" in px totally disregards the size the visitor has set in his browser prefs, and thus cannot be expected to be

Re: [WSG] Box model in IE7

rg [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] > On Behalf Of CK > Sent: 24 April 2009 00:57 > To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org > Subject: Re: [WSG] Box model in IE7 > > Hi, > > Would you elaborate on why the CSS rule invalidates the article? As

Re: [WSG] Box model in IE7

-- From: michael.brocking...@bt.com Sender: li...@webstandardsgroup.org To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org ReplyTo: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: RE: [WSG] Box model in IE7 Sent: Apr 24, 2009 10:21 AM Personally, I think there should have been a companion article explaining why designers can&#

RE: [WSG] Box model in IE7

their own good: they are too sharp for the un-trained hand. Mike -Original Message- From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On Behalf Of CK Sent: 24 April 2009 00:57 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Box model in IE7 Hi, Would you elaborate

Re: [WSG] Box model in IE7

On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 1:42 AM, Chris F.A. Johnson wrote: > On Fri, 24 Apr 2009, Jason Grant wrote: > >> We were told in the past by a massive client that for accessibility purposes >> font sizes needed to be set to 74% as a minimum as the basic reading size >> below which it's a straign on the e

RE: [WSG] Box model in IE7

rsday, April 23, 2009 5:46 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Box model in IE7 Forgot to mention that you do set specific formatting on text afterwards, as you mentioned, Janice. And I might add that that is a good point Christian, it does seem a little silly! -- Brett P. On Thu, A

Re: [WSG] Box model in IE7

Forgot to mention that you do set specific formatting on text afterwards, as you mentioned, Janice. And I might add that that is a good point Christian, it does seem a little silly! -- Brett P. On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 8:39 PM, Brett Patterson < inspiron.patters...@gmail.com> wrote: > Well, acco

Re: [WSG] Box model in IE7

On Fri, 24 Apr 2009, Jason Grant wrote: > We were told in the past by a massive client that for accessibility purposes > font sizes needed to be set to 74% as a minimum as the basic reading size > below which it's a straign on the eyes. 74% is 26% smaller than the viewer's preferred size, IOW,

Re: [WSG] Box model in IE7

Well, according to the rules as I have read, Browser font-sizing takes precedence in certain circumstances...so, if the user's font-size is 14pt. then that means the body text font-size will be 62.5% of that. This goes in according to the rules of inheritance...I have never actually seen anyone set

Re: [WSG] Box model in IE7

Just a little comment: usually I will put the font-size: 62.5% on the body element instead of the HTML element. Doing it this way I've never had an issue, even in IE (back to at least 5.5). Placing it on the HTML element seems a bit goofy to me since the HTML element can never have font anyways

Re: [WSG] Box model in IE7

We were told in the past by a massive client that for accessibility purposes font sizes needed to be set to 74% as a minimum as the basic reading size below which it's a straign on the eyes. I personally don't mess with browser defaults and don't tend to use resets, but for minimal purposes only.

Re: [WSG] Box model in IE7 & Font Sizes

Hi, The following excerpt from the aforementioned article appears to account for the IE issue. --From The Article-- Em vs. Px We can talk about this forever, but you probably don’t care. My suggestion for you is to do the

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pril 23, 2009 3:22 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: RE: [WSG] Box model in IE7 On Thu, 23 Apr 2009, Janice Schwarz wrote: > Can you clarify what your issue is regarding setting font size to 62.5%? > Just curious. Wondering if I'm missing something here. <http://bergamo

Re: [WSG] Box model in IE7

I have always been told to use something along the lines of either body { font-size: 100%; /* a fix for internet explorer */ } because of the way IE reads/sizes font. Starting out with html at only 62.5% font-sizing would completely mess up IE and the font in the browser would it not? -- Brett P.

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Hi, Would you elaborate on why the CSS rule invalidates the article? As it appears the authors explanation is sound. html { font-size: 62.5%; } CK On Apr 23, 2009, at 11:28 AM, Chris F.A. Johnson wrote: On Thu, 23 Apr 2009, Christopher Kennon wrote: S, See this ar

RE: [WSG] Box model in IE7

sage- > From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On > Behalf Of Chris F.A. Johnson > Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 11:28 AM > To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org > Subject: Re: [WSG] Box model in IE7 > > On Thu, 23 Apr 2009, Christopher Kennon wrote: > >

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2009 11:28 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Box model in IE7 On Thu, 23 Apr 2009, Christopher Kennon wrote: > S, > > See this article from "Links for light Reading" scrolling down a bit > you'll find a JS solution that may prove useful: > &

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On Thu, 23 Apr 2009, Christopher Kennon wrote: > S, > > See this article from "Links for light Reading" scrolling down a bit you'll > find a JS solution that may prove useful: > > Why Programmers Suck at CSS Design > That article cease

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S, See this article from "Links for light Reading" scrolling down a bit you'll find a JS solution that may prove useful: Why Programmers Suck at CSS Design C On Apr 22, 2009, at 4:18 PM, Stevio wrote: Is the box model in IE7 still m

Re: [WSG] Box model in IE7

Is there a problem with the DocType I'm using? Thanks, Stephen - Original Message - From: Stevio To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 1:30 AM Subject: Re: [WSG] Box model in IE7 http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-transitiona

Re: [WSG] Box model in IE7

> Is the box model in IE7 still messed up? I thought they sorted it? Box model was fixed in IE6 (with apropriate doctype). > I am floating a div to the right with a width of 50%. The div to the left > has a right margin of 50%. I've put a 1px solid border on both of them. In > IE7 there is a gap

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http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-transitional.dtd";> - Original Message - From: Luke Hoggett Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 12:45 AM HI, What doctype are you using? cheers Luke Stevio wrote: Is the box model in IE7 still messed up? I thought they sorted it?

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HI, What doctype are you using? cheers Luke Stevio wrote: Is the box model in IE7 still messed up? I thought they sorted it? I am floating a div to the right with a width of 50%. The div to the left has a right margin of 50%. I've put a 1px solid border on both of them. In IE7 there is a ga