RE: [WSG] Fixed Width Design

2003-12-11 Thread Peter Firminger
gt; From: Jonathan Baldwin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 12:55 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [WSG] Fixed Width Design > > > You and me both. My .mac homepage address has no www - but people > automatically ask if I've missed it off whe

Re: [WSG] Fixed Width Design

2003-12-11 Thread Jonathan Baldwin
Of course, if you're on a Mac and use iSync, then your URLs move from computer to computer when you log in and, if you have to use a PC, they're stored on a web page for you, updated each time you synchronise. A simple thing, but truly marvellous, and built in to the OS. Most URLs are autofill

Re: [WSG] Fixed Width Design

2003-12-11 Thread Jonathan Baldwin
You and me both. My .mac homepage address has no www - but people automatically ask if I've missed it off when I tell them it. I suppose if the web were more forgiving then it wouldn't matter if you typed www or not. Like getting the post code wrong or missing it off - takes a little longer to g

RE: [WSG] Fixed Width Design

2003-12-11 Thread Gary Menzel
> Over time, I am expecting we will find that the URL itself doesn't matter as much as it is made to at the moment. I was trying to say that URL's/URI's are not really for humans. The URN (Uniform Resrouce Name) is what we are actually talking about. This is a specific form of a URI that is pers

Re: [WSG] Fixed Width Design

2003-12-11 Thread James Ellis
You could always tell them to enter http://[EMAIL PROTECTED] In Internet Explorer, that'd really freak them out. http://www.secunia.com/internet_explorer_address_bar_spoofing_test/ Now tell me that IE is a secure browser... CHeers James Miles Tillinger wrote: If I had a dollar for everytime tha

RE: [WSG] Fixed Width Design

2003-12-11 Thread Taco Fleur
Hi Gary, you always have wise words, so I'd like to know what it is and why you are expecting? -- Over time, I am expecting we will find that the URL itself doesn't matter as much as it is made to at the moment. * The discussion li

RE: [WSG] Fixed Width Design

2003-12-11 Thread Mark Stanton
Just some examples: 2 I actually type in from memory pretty often: http://www.mysql.com/doc/en/ http://www.macromedia.com/coldfusion/ (which actually redirects to /software/coldfusion/ - very nice) and an interesting concept - each item/object has a unique keyword - tack .html on the end and its

RE: [WSG] Fixed Width Design

2003-12-11 Thread Miles Tillinger
o, no WWW!" N00b: "news.google.com, without www? wow, does that work? That's amazing! How about the http://? I can leave it out? OMG!" -Original Message- From: Jonathan Baldwin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 11:12 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subj

RE: [WSG] Fixed Width Design

2003-12-11 Thread Gary Menzel
> Now for the classic: What if you're in a internet cafe and you don't remember the url? My response to that is that the Internet does not support "portability" of your personal configuration information properly. This is what I think needs to be addressed - not what a URL actually is or isn't.

Re: [WSG] Fixed Width Design

2003-12-11 Thread Jonathan Baldwin
That's fine for power users, but 99% of users can't navigate up and down directories, I would guess. As an experiment, imagine a site with no navigation, but all pages were accessible by typing in the url of, at least, the enclosing directory. How many people would be able to do it - even havin

Re: [WSG] Fixed Width Design

2003-12-11 Thread Jonathan Baldwin
I agree. I've long advocated easy to remember URLs because, although most of "us" do as Gary says and get URLs directly from email, I've observed that a *lot* of users don't know that they can copy URLs from the browser so type them out when passing them on, or do it verbally, so it is importan

RE: [WSG] Fixed Width Design

2003-12-11 Thread Taco Fleur
er 2003 10:05 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [WSG] Fixed Width Design > The only way you can access them are via a search engine or book mark, no one will actually remember a url like this, it is not > accessibile! "accessible" means that the content can be navigated, r

RE: [WSG] Fixed Width Design

2003-12-11 Thread James Gollan
Sent: Friday, 12 December 2003 11:05 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [WSG] Fixed Width Design > The only way you can access them are via a search engine or book mark, no one will actually remember a url like this, it is not > accessibile! "accessible" means that the content c

RE: [WSG] Fixed Width Design

2003-12-11 Thread Gary Menzel
> The only way you can access them are via a search engine or book mark, no one will actually remember a url like this, it is not > accessibile! "accessible" means that the content can be navigated, read and understood by the largest number of users. For me personally, a URL can be as cryptic as

Re: [WSG] Fixed Width Design

2003-12-11 Thread Tonico Strasser
russ weakley wrote: It is a debate raging around the web at present. There are other options that solve this problem: FWIW, a few weeks ago I created a layout with EMs as base unit. I've set min- and max-widths for better readability. http://www.webproducer.at/flexible-layout Tonico -- Tonico

Re: [WSG] Fixed Width Design

2003-12-11 Thread Glenn Slaven
Taco Fleur wrote: Can I just say something??? yes. It has nothing to do with the article itself. I really can't stand urls like http://www.notestips.com/80256B3A007F2692/1/TAIO-5TT34F The only way you can access them are via a search engine or book mark, no one will actually remember a url like

RE: [WSG] Fixed Width Design

2003-12-11 Thread Taco Fleur
Can I just say something??? yes. It has nothing to do with the article itself. I really can't stand urls like http://www.notestips.com/80256B3A007F2692/1/TAIO-5TT34F The only way you can access them are via a search engine or book mark, no one will actually remember a url like this, it is not a

Re: [WSG] Fixed Width Design

2003-12-11 Thread russ weakley
It is a debate raging around the web at present. There are other options that solve this problem: http://www.maxdesign.com.au/presentation/em/ Russ > > Interesting article on using fixed width design for sites: > http://www.notestips.com/80256B3A007F2692/1/TAIO-5TT34F > > He makes a good point