[OT] Re: [WSG] Fw: The Great Firewall of Australia
This just arrived in my email: Event: Sydney Townhall Protest to Stop Internet censorship filtering What: Protest Host: http://nocensorship.info ; http://wiki.efp.org.au/ Start Time: Saturday, December 13 at 11:00am End Time: Saturday, December 13 at 4:00pm Where: Sydney Town Hall Square list of protests in other cities from http://nocensorship.info Brisbane: 13th of December 11am - 3pm Brisbane Square Melbourne: 13th of December 12pm-5pm State Library Adelaide: 13th of December 12pm - 4pm Parliament Hobart: 13th of December 11am-1:30pm Parliament Lawns Perth: 13th of December 12pm-3:00pm Stirling Gardens *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [OT] Re: [WSG] Fw: The Great Firewall of Australia
See you there. Bring your friends Regards, Anthony. Sent from my iPhone! On 03/12/2008, at 6:19 PM, Michael MD [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This just arrived in my email: Event: Sydney Townhall Protest to Stop Internet censorship filtering What: Protest Host: http://nocensorship.info ; http://wiki.efp.org.au/ Start Time: Saturday, December 13 at 11:00am End Time: Saturday, December 13 at 4:00pm Where: Sydney Town Hall Square list of protests in other cities from http://nocensorship.info Brisbane: 13th of December 11am - 3pm Brisbane Square Melbourne: 13th of December 12pm-5pm State Library Adelaide: 13th of December 12pm - 4pm Parliament Hobart: 13th of December 11am-1:30pm Parliament Lawns Perth: 13th of December 12pm-3:00pm Stirling Gardens *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] Fw: The Great Firewall of Australia
Just want to put in a plug for Radio National's coverage of this topic so far: The Media Report: http://abc.net.au/rn/mediareport/stories/2008/2405376.htm Australia Talks: http://abc.net.au/rn/australiatalks/stories/2008/2419136.htm Disclosure, RN is where I work. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael MD Sent: Monday, 1 December 2008 1:43 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Fw: The Great Firewall of Australia Don't ascribe to malice that which can be more easily explained by mistake. I'll take ill-informed cock-up over conspiracy any day, as I don't believe Australian politicians have the nous to manage a grand conspiracy. yeah a mix of very noisy religious extremist lobby groups and influential people with vested interests and politicians in portfolios they have little understanding of leading to ill-informed cock-ups seems much more likely than any kind of centrally-planned conspiracy. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail. The information contained in this email and any attachment is confidential and may contain legally privileged or copyright material. It is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you are not the intended recipient of this email, you are not permitted to disseminate, distribute or copy this email or any attachments. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete this email from your system. The ABC does not represent or warrant that this transmission is secure or virus free. Before opening any attachment you should check for viruses. The ABC's liability is limited to resupplying any email and attachments. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Fw: The Great Firewall of Australia
And adding my 2 cents worth… This is part of the grand conspiracy. The panic about porn / bomb instructions on the web knee jerk is a smoke screen. What the government wants to do is control how it’s citizen access media and hence ideas. They love the traditional mass media because it’s easy to control and run by cooperation that have a vested interest keeping the old paradigms. They hate the web, email, etc because it’s hard to control and hence subvert how ideas spread. Goverements all over the place have been trying to do this for a long time. It’s stupid, won’t work and is going to cost us millions. What will happen is lots of folks will subscript to OS encrypted tunnelling services. The outcome will be lots of encrypted web traffic which will be a lot worse if you’re trying to track the activities of bomb makers and paedophiles. And it is going to chew up money that would be more productively spend improving the speed of the infrastructure (and not slowing it down). This is nearly a dumb that idea that Mr Keating had of sell exclusive rights to provide Australian net access to Microsoft!Andrew _ See the most popular videos on the web http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/115454061/direct/01/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Fw: The Great Firewall of Australia
Andrew R wrote: And adding my 2 cents worth… This is part of the grand conspiracy. The panic about porn / bomb instructions on the web knee jerk is a smoke screen. What the government wants to do is control how it’s citizen access media and hence ideas. This is part of the Great Conspiracy Theory (tm) Don't ascribe to malice that which can be more easily explained by mistake. I'll take ill-informed cock-up over conspiracy any day, as I don't believe Australian politicians have the nous to manage a grand conspiracy. They love the traditional mass media because it’s easy to control and run by cooperation that have a vested interest keeping the old paradigms. They hate the web, email, etc because it’s hard to control and hence subvert how ideas spread. Goverements all over the place have been trying to do this for a long time. They hate traditional media too, when they ask hard questions. It’s stupid, won’t work and is going to cost us millions. What will happen is lots of folks will subscript to OS encrypted tunnelling services. The outcome will be lots of encrypted web traffic which will be a lot worse if you’re trying to track the activities of bomb makers and paedophiles. And it is going to chew up money that would be more productively spend improving the speed of the infrastructure (and not slowing it down). Ah, something we can agree on - it won't work and it will cost $ This is nearly a dumb that idea that Mr Keating had of sell exclusive rights to provide Australian net access to Microsoft! Did he really? Do you have any cites for this? Cheers Mark Harris *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Fw: The Great Firewall of Australia
Stuff like this always draws the conspiracy theorists out of the woodwork—which isn’t too say it’s a negative thing—but for once I think I have tamer views on the subject. As stupid as some people seem to be, I don’t think Stephen Conroy is stupid enough to not get it by now. In fact he probably already understood that his clean feed scheme was not going to work properly— difficult to implement, risky to maintain, and have a number of adverse side effects—but as things go in politics he was too far in to admit he was wrong. Too much tax payer money had already been spent on the idea which had been promised to the Australian people under a Labour government at election time. In the end it’s a pathetic political episode: it would essentially be the political end of Mr. Conroy if he admits he was wrong now, so he’s going to try and play this out, although the chances of it ending well for him are dwindling daily. In the meantime we get to suffer from his egoism and possibly (let’s hope it doesn’t come to it) the clean feed. My 2 cents. (: Have an awesome week all. —Pascal On 30/11/2008, at 11:36 PM, Andrew R wrote: And adding my 2 cents worth… This is part of the grand conspiracy. The panic about porn / bomb instructions on the web knee jerk is a smoke screen. What the government wants to do is control how it’s citizen access media and hence ideas. They love the traditional mass media because it’s easy to control and run by cooperation that have a vested interest keeping the old paradigms. They hate the web, email, etc because it’s hard to control and hence subvert how ideas spread. Goverements all over the place have been trying to do this for a long time. It’s stupid, won’t work and is going to cost us millions. What will happen is lots of folks will subscript to OS encrypted tunnelling services. The outcome will be lots of encrypted web traffic which will be a lot worse if you’re trying to track the activities of bomb makers and paedophiles. And it is going to chew up money that would be more productively spend improving the speed of the infrastructure (and not slowing it down). This is nearly a dumb that idea that Mr Keating had of sell exclusive rights to provide Australian net access to Microsoft! Andrew Win £1000 John Lewis shopping sprees with BigSnapSearch.com Search now *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** --- Simon Pascal Klein Concept designer (w) http://klepas.org (e) [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Fw: The Great Firewall of Australia
Don't ascribe to malice that which can be more easily explained by mistake. I'll take ill-informed cock-up over conspiracy any day, as I don't believe Australian politicians have the nous to manage a grand conspiracy. yeah a mix of very noisy religious extremist lobby groups and influential people with vested interests and politicians in portfolios they have little understanding of leading to ill-informed cock-ups seems much more likely than any kind of centrally-planned conspiracy. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Fw: The Great Firewall of Australia
THis is exactly my way of thinking, of what the firewall is really about. Getting down to it though, and probable slightly off topic, if you think about it, it's the church's and religious groups that really control us through using government positions to do so. In saying, for those of us that believe there is people that are tapped into their psychic abilities, it's been religious belief that has changed the general publics views on psychic's as being witchery and of satanic leaning. Andrew R wrote: And adding my 2 cents worth… This is part of the grand conspiracy. The panic about porn / bomb instructions on the web knee jerk is a smoke screen. What the government wants to do is control how it’s citizen access media and hence ideas. They love the traditional mass media because it’s easy to control and run by cooperation that have a vested interest keeping the old paradigms. They hate the web, email, etc because it’s hard to control and hence subvert how ideas spread. Goverements all over the place have been trying to do this for a long time. It’s stupid, won’t work and is going to cost us millions. What will happen is lots of folks will subscript to OS encrypted tunnelling services. The outcome will be lots of encrypted web traffic which will be a lot worse if you’re trying to track the activities of bomb makers and paedophiles. And it is going to chew up money that would be more productively spend improving the speed of the infrastructure (and not slowing it down). This is nearly a dumb that idea that Mr Keating had of sell exclusive rights to provide Australian net access to Microsoft! Andrew Win £1000 John Lewis shopping sprees with BigSnapSearch.com Search now http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/117442309/direct/01/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
ADMIN: THREAD CLOSED Re: [WSG] Fw: The Great Firewall of Australia
Its been a good read, but I think we've said everything we need to say, and I can't think of any excuse to make it on-topic. Thread closed. So - Aussies, make sure you make your opinion known to the appropriate people. Rest of the world - please try not to snicker, point and laugh at us too much :( Lea ~ but the implementation is non standard! Umm, no, still off topic ;) -- Lea de Groot WSG Core Member *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Fw: The Great Firewall of Australia
Thanks for the detailed précis of the iinet situation. Next time I get booked for speeding on the Sydney - Newcastle freeway, I think I'll sue the RTA. Well, after all, they provided me with the road ;-) Or maybe if you do speed, and don't get caught, then you can sue the Police for failing to enforce their terms of service. The IIA has been lobbying against filtering for yonks. See www.iia.net.au Chris Sent from my iPhone On 27/11/2008, at 11:50 PM, Jelina Korhecz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree with Dave--a letter to Senator Conroy is the best approach. The website previously mentioned (http://nocleanfeed.com/) is also a good place to start if you want to take action. I'm extremely concerned about this plan (and have been since I heard about it a months ago) because at first it seemed like everyone in a position of power thought it was a good idea... despite the fact that their filtering trials clearly showed that a mandatory filter wasn't feasible with the technology currently available. Luckily (and I apologise if this has already been mentioned in a previous email), iiNet--an Australian ISP--has signed up to the live testing that is due to begin mid-December. They have said that they will take part in this test to demonstrate to the government how ineffective an ISP level filter is at the present time. You can check out what they have to say about it on their website: http://www.iinet.net.au/about/news/internet_filtering.html Unfortunately, iiNet have received bad press lately because of a lawsuit brought upon them by the AFACT (Australian Federation Against Copyright Theft--see http://www.lawfont.com/2008/11/21/the-case-against-iinet/ for more info). However, some are saying that this case and iiNet's position on the mandatory filtering scheme are connected (which is why the AFACT went after iiNet and not a larger ISP like Telstra Bigpond), but I'll let you make your own mind up about the link between the two. (See http://defendingscoundrels.com/2008/11/iinet-lawsuit-no-coincidence.html for more.) Don't get me wrong--anything that can stop something that is as horrible as child porn I support. But I honestly do not think this has any chance of working. Please do what you can to help stop this filter going ahead. Otherwise I might need to move countries :( My 2c :) On Thu, Nov 27, 2008 at 10:42 PM, IceKat [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I wouldn't have sent this to the group if I'd had even the slightest idea it was spam. Getup.org.au is a genuinely good site. IceKat. Brett Patterson wrote: 1) That, I do believe is a crock of shit! 2) If he does anything like that, he will be dead!!! --and-- 3) Anyone who believes in those ideas are fucked up, stupid, and this I can promise, will NOT make it in this world, dead or alive! 4) Like I said, I think this a crock of shit, and possibly spam. On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 9:56 PM, IceKat [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Usually I'm suspicious of this stuff but I happen to know that Get Up is legit and thought the Aussie members of this list might like to know about this. IceKat. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *** Thought you might be interested Love Mum - Original Message - http://www.getup.org.au/campaign/SaveTheNet?dc=564,324731,1 Dear Helen, Imagine a government proposing an internet censorship system that went further than any other democracy - one that made the internet up to 87% slower, more expensive, accidentally blocked up to one in 12 legitimate sites, and missed the vast majority of inappropriate content. This is not China, Saudi Arabia or Iran - this is the vision of Senator Stephen Conroy for Australia. *Testing has already begun.* The community must now move to stop this plan. *Click here to save the net:* *www.getup.org.au/campaign/SaveTheNet* http://www.getup.org.au/campaign/SaveTheNet?dc=564,324731,1 The system that Senator Conroy wants is *a mandatory filter of all internet traffic*, with the government of the day able to add any unwanted site to a secret blacklist. Already, the wrangling has begun for the inclusion of material relating to anorexia, euthanasia and gambling. It isn't difficult to see *the scheme is open to abuse*. Even when it comes to preventing child p-rnography, the filter will not prevent peer-to-peer sharing and is very simple to sidestep. *The protection of our children is vitally important* - that's why we can't afford to waste funds on this deeply flawed system. We should be concentrating on solutions that are more effective and won't undermine our digital economy or
RE: [WSG] Fw: The Great Firewall of Australia
I'm not sure if this will make it to the table, but it is truly worrying. If they went to the extremes outlined though, don't you think that generally the public (not just the web development community) would put up such a stink about it, the government would be forced into taking several steps back. The things is, once they implement something like this, as other laws, it's hard to turn it back and get rid of it, no matter who we vote for next. The people with the strongest voices are these lobbying groups, such as Getup, but most of them represent religious views and those of the older generations, who would easily be scared into thinking that we need internet censorship or else. Last time I checked, Australia was still a democracy, and while *somebody* must have voted for Conroy, we (Australians) still get a say. Even if you voted for him, you don't have too much control over what he does for the 4 years after that. How often do you pop down and visit your local senator for a chat?! I hope the Getup campaign gets enough votes to put this to a halt. Glad we have Getup out there. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dennis Suitters Sent: Thursday, November 27, 2008 5:37 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Fw: The Great Firewall of Australia Yes, real, definitely. But think about it, the government would already, and in some part already do filter information. If they went to the extremes outlined though, don't you think that generally the public (not just the web development community) would put up such a stink about it, the government would be forced into taking several steps back. Unfortunately though, even though the government is supposed to work in the best interests of it's people, they don't in the long run. Blake wrote: On Thu, Nov 27, 2008 at 4:04 PM, Anthony Ziebell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh, it's certainly not spam. It's been all over news, whirlpool, everywhere. Yes, it's definitely real. I feel ashamed of being Australian right there. -- Blake Haswell http://www.blakehaswell.com/ | http://blakehaswell.wordpress.com/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Fw: The Great Firewall of Australia
On Thu, 2008-11-27 at 21:19 +1100, nedlud wrote: Okay, so I *should* be concerned about this, in spite of what my common sense tells me. So what can we, as web professionals (in Australia), do about it? I've signed the getup petition. What's the next step? You could _write_ a letter to Senator Conroy, you local MP and all Senators who represent your state. As many politicians aren't that cluey they tend to ignore emails or at least consider them far less important than snailed letters. It costs you less than $5 to print and post letters to the list above - even cheaper if you live in the ACT or NT :) If you feel like it send letters to the PM and leader of the opposition too. Make each letter unique and don't just use an online sample, make it relevant to you. Think about why are you concerned about this, how may it impact _you_? Why are you writing to a particular MP/Senator? Why should they listen to (or read) what you have to say? This gives you some indication of my letter to Senator Conroy - http://tinyurl.com/conroy-letter For my MP it will be similar, but for senators it will be a bit more filter focused. I hope this gives you some inspiration about how you can make your views known. Keep in mind, only emailing the minister and signing an online opinion will register to marks in the against column. Cheers Dave who should finish his letter writing campaign Nedlud. On Thu, Nov 27, 2008 at 9:05 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am hoping that the live testing/trial that will be carried out early next year just shows that this is technically unfeasible. It is quite stupid to be filtering the internet for everyone in Australia, when it is much simpler to be done on each individual PC through the use of software as the previous Liberal government proposed. Andrew, I think you are miss-understanding how Government works: whether something is practical or not is pretty much never a concern unless they have to do the implementation themselves. In this case, it will be the ISP's that are forced to implement it, not the Gov itself. A similar example is in progress in the UK: the Gov have decided to introduce an 'uncrackable' bio-metric ID card for all citizens. They have been told time and again that it will not work, but this all gets outsourced to other companies, so if it fails then they get the blame, and so it goes ahead, against the wishes of pretty much the whole country. Mike *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Fw: The Great Firewall of Australia
I wouldn't have sent this to the group if I'd had even the slightest idea it was spam. Getup.org.au is a genuinely good site. IceKat. Brett Patterson wrote: 1) That, I do believe is a crock of shit! 2) If he does anything like that, he will be dead!!! --and-- 3) Anyone who believes in those ideas are fucked up, stupid, and this I can promise, will NOT make it in this world, dead or alive! 4) Like I said, I think this a crock of shit, and possibly spam. On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 9:56 PM, IceKat [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Usually I'm suspicious of this stuff but I happen to know that Get Up is legit and thought the Aussie members of this list might like to know about this. IceKat. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *** Thought you might be interested Love Mum - Original Message - http://www.getup.org.au/campaign/SaveTheNet?dc=564,324731,1 Dear Helen, Imagine a government proposing an internet censorship system that went further than any other democracy - one that made the internet up to 87% slower, more expensive, accidentally blocked up to one in 12 legitimate sites, and missed the vast majority of inappropriate content. This is not China, Saudi Arabia or Iran - this is the vision of Senator Stephen Conroy for Australia. *Testing has already begun.* The community must now move to stop this plan. *Click here to save the net:* *www.getup.org.au/campaign/SaveTheNet* http://www.getup.org.au/campaign/SaveTheNet?dc=564,324731,1 The system that Senator Conroy wants is *a mandatory filter of all internet traffic*, with the government of the day able to add any unwanted site to a secret blacklist. Already, the wrangling has begun for the inclusion of material relating to anorexia, euthanasia and gambling. It isn't difficult to see *the scheme is open to abuse*. Even when it comes to preventing child p-rnography, the filter will not prevent peer-to-peer sharing and is very simple to sidestep. *The protection of our children is vitally important* - that's why we can't afford to waste funds on this deeply flawed system. We should be concentrating on solutions that are more effective and won't undermine our digital economy or our democratic freedoms. This must rank as one of the most ill-thought decisions of the Rudd Government's first year in power. We need to act now to *tell big brother the mandatory internet filter is incompatible with the principles of a modern democracy and modern economy*: *www.getup.org.au/campaign/SaveTheNet* http://www.getup.org.au/campaign/SaveTheNet?dc=564,324731,1 Our government should be doing all in its power to take Australia into the 21st century economy, and to protect our children. *This proposed internet censorship does neither.* Take action to save the net today. Thanks for being a part of the solution, The GetUp team PS - The proposed scheme will pass all internet traffic through a government filter - it's like asking Australia Post to filter every letter sent in Australia. *Click here to save the net.* http://www.getup.org.au/campaign/SaveTheNet?dc=564,324731,1 __ GetUp is an independent, not-for-profit community campaigning group. We use new technology to empower Australians to have their say on important national issues. We receive no political party or government funding, and every campaign we run is entirely supported by voluntary donations. If you'd like to contribute to *help fund GetUp's work*, please *donate now! https://www.getup.org.au/donate/?dc=564,324731,1* If you have trouble with any links in this email, please go directly to www.getup.org.au http://www.getup.org.au?dc=564,324731,1. To unsubscribe from GetUp, please click here http://www.getup.org.au/pages/emailunsub?dc=564,324731,1. Authorised by Simon Sheikh, Level 2, 294 Pitt St, Sydney NSW 2000tracking No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.9.10/1812 - Release Date: 11/25/2008 7:53 PM -- Brett P. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
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I agree with Dave--a letter to Senator Conroy is the best approach. The website previously mentioned (http://nocleanfeed.com/) is also a good place to start if you want to take action. I'm extremely concerned about this plan (and have been since I heard about it a months ago) because at first it seemed like everyone in a position of power thought it was a good idea... despite the fact that their filtering trials clearly showed that a mandatory filter wasn't feasible with the technology currently available. Luckily (and I apologise if this has already been mentioned in a previous email), iiNet--an Australian ISP--has signed up to the live testing that is due to begin mid-December. They have said that they will take part in this test to demonstrate to the government how ineffective an ISP level filter is at the present time. You can check out what they have to say about it on their website: http://www.iinet.net.au/about/news/internet_filtering.html Unfortunately, iiNet have received bad press lately because of a lawsuit brought upon them by the AFACT (Australian Federation Against Copyright Theft--see http://www.lawfont.com/2008/11/21/the-case-against-iinet/ for more info). However, some are saying that this case and iiNet's position on the mandatory filtering scheme are connected (which is why the AFACT went after iiNet and not a larger ISP like Telstra Bigpond), but I'll let you make your own mind up about the link between the two. (See http://defendingscoundrels.com/2008/11/iinet-lawsuit-no-coincidence.html for more.) Don't get me wrong--anything that can stop something that is as horrible as child porn I support. But I honestly do not think this has any chance of working. Please do what you can to help stop this filter going ahead. Otherwise I might need to move countries :( My 2c :) On Thu, Nov 27, 2008 at 10:42 PM, IceKat [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I wouldn't have sent this to the group if I'd had even the slightest idea it was spam. Getup.org.au is a genuinely good site. IceKat. Brett Patterson wrote: 1) That, I do believe is a crock of shit! 2) If he does anything like that, he will be dead!!! --and-- 3) Anyone who believes in those ideas are fucked up, stupid, and this I can promise, will NOT make it in this world, dead or alive! 4) Like I said, I think this a crock of shit, and possibly spam. On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 9:56 PM, IceKat [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Usually I'm suspicious of this stuff but I happen to know that Get Up is legit and thought the Aussie members of this list might like to know about this. IceKat. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *** Thought you might be interested Love Mum - Original Message - http://www.getup.org.au/campaign/SaveTheNet?dc=564,324731,1 Dear Helen, Imagine a government proposing an internet censorship system that went further than any other democracy - one that made the internet up to 87% slower, more expensive, accidentally blocked up to one in 12 legitimate sites, and missed the vast majority of inappropriate content. This is not China, Saudi Arabia or Iran - this is the vision of Senator Stephen Conroy for Australia. *Testing has already begun.* The community must now move to stop this plan. *Click here to save the net:* *www.getup.org.au/campaign/SaveTheNet* http://www.getup.org.au/campaign/SaveTheNet?dc=564,324731,1 The system that Senator Conroy wants is *a mandatory filter of all internet traffic*, with the government of the day able to add any unwanted site to a secret blacklist. Already, the wrangling has begun for the inclusion of material relating to anorexia, euthanasia and gambling. It isn't difficult to see *the scheme is open to abuse*. Even when it comes to preventing child p-rnography, the filter will not prevent peer-to-peer sharing and is very simple to sidestep. *The protection of our children is vitally important* - that's why we can't afford to waste funds on this deeply flawed system. We should be concentrating on solutions that are more effective and won't undermine our digital economy or our democratic freedoms. This must rank as one of the most ill-thought decisions of the Rudd Government's first year in power. We need to act now to *tell big brother the mandatory internet filter is incompatible with the principles of a modern democracy and modern economy*: *www.getup.org.au/campaign/SaveTheNet* http://www.getup.org.au/campaign/SaveTheNet?dc=564,324731,1 Our government should be
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I am hoping that the live testing/trial that will be carried out early next year just shows that this is technically unfeasible. It is quite stupid to be filtering the internet for everyone in Australia, when it is much simpler to be done on each individual PC through the use of software as the previous Liberal government proposed. Andrew, I think you are miss-understanding how Government works: whether something is practical or not is pretty much never a concern unless they have to do the implementation themselves. In this case, it will be the ISP's that are forced to implement it, not the Gov itself. A similar example is in progress in the UK: the Gov have decided to introduce an 'uncrackable' bio-metric ID card for all citizens. They have been told time and again that it will not work, but this all gets outsourced to other companies, so if it fails then they get the blame, and so it goes ahead, against the wishes of pretty much the whole country. Mike *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
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Just to add to this, you can monitor Senator Conroy via email updates and message him through the Getup wesbite. http://www.projectdemocracy.com/senator/senator.php?senatorid=15 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jelina Korhecz Sent: Thursday, November 27, 2008 12:50 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Fw: The Great Firewall of Australia I agree with Dave--a letter to Senator Conroy is the best approach. The website previously mentioned (http://nocleanfeed.com/) is also a good place to start if you want to take action. I'm extremely concerned about this plan (and have been since I heard about it a months ago) because at first it seemed like everyone in a position of power thought it was a good idea... despite the fact that their filtering trials clearly showed that a mandatory filter wasn't feasible with the technology currently available. Luckily (and I apologise if this has already been mentioned in a previous email), iiNet--an Australian ISP--has signed up to the live testing that is due to begin mid-December. They have said that they will take part in this test to demonstrate to the government how ineffective an ISP level filter is at the present time. You can check out what they have to say about it on their website: http://www.iinet.net.au/about/news/internet_filtering.html Unfortunately, iiNet have received bad press lately because of a lawsuit brought upon them by the AFACT (Australian Federation Against Copyright Theft--see http://www.lawfont.com/2008/11/21/the-case-against-iinet/ for more info). However, some are saying that this case and iiNet's position on the mandatory filtering scheme are connected (which is why the AFACT went after iiNet and not a larger ISP like Telstra Bigpond), but I'll let you make your own mind up about the link between the two. (See http://defendingscoundrels.com/2008/11/iinet-lawsuit-no-coincidence.html for more.) Don't get me wrong--anything that can stop something that is as horrible as child porn I support. But I honestly do not think this has any chance of working. Please do what you can to help stop this filter going ahead. Otherwise I might need to move countries :( My 2c :) On Thu, Nov 27, 2008 at 10:42 PM, IceKat [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I wouldn't have sent this to the group if I'd had even the slightest idea it was spam. Getup.org.au is a genuinely good site. IceKat. Brett Patterson wrote: 1) That, I do believe is a crock of shit! 2) If he does anything like that, he will be dead!!! --and-- 3) Anyone who believes in those ideas are fucked up, stupid, and this I can promise, will NOT make it in this world, dead or alive! 4) Like I said, I think this a crock of shit, and possibly spam. On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 9:56 PM, IceKat [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Usually I'm suspicious of this stuff but I happen to know that Get Up is legit and thought the Aussie members of this list might like to know about this. IceKat. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *** Thought you might be interested Love Mum - Original Message - http://www.getup.org.au/campaign/SaveTheNet?dc=564,324731,1 Dear Helen, Imagine a government proposing an internet censorship system that went further than any other democracy - one that made the internet up to 87% slower, more expensive, accidentally blocked up to one in 12 legitimate sites, and missed the vast majority of inappropriate content. This is not China, Saudi Arabia or Iran - this is the vision of Senator Stephen Conroy for Australia. *Testing has already begun.* The community must now move to stop this plan. *Click here to save the net:* *www.getup.org.au/campaign/SaveTheNet* http://www.getup.org.au/campaign/SaveTheNet?dc=564,324731,1 The system that Senator Conroy wants is *a mandatory filter of all internet traffic*, with the government of the day able to add any unwanted site to a secret blacklist. Already, the wrangling has begun for the inclusion of material relating to anorexia, euthanasia and gambling. It isn't difficult to see *the scheme is open to abuse*. Even when it comes to preventing child p-rnography, the filter will not prevent peer-to-peer sharing and is very simple to sidestep. *The protection of our children is vitally important* - that's why we can't afford to waste funds on this deeply flawed system. We should be concentrating on solutions that are more effective and won't undermine our digital economy or our
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Okay, so I *should* be concerned about this, in spite of what my common sense tells me. So what can we, as web professionals (in Australia), do about it? I've signed the getup petition. What's the next step? Nedlud. On Thu, Nov 27, 2008 at 9:05 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am hoping that the live testing/trial that will be carried out early next year just shows that this is technically unfeasible. It is quite stupid to be filtering the internet for everyone in Australia, when it is much simpler to be done on each individual PC through the use of software as the previous Liberal government proposed. Andrew, I think you are miss-understanding how Government works: whether something is practical or not is pretty much never a concern unless they have to do the implementation themselves. In this case, it will be the ISP's that are forced to implement it, not the Gov itself. A similar example is in progress in the UK: the Gov have decided to introduce an 'uncrackable' bio-metric ID card for all citizens. They have been told time and again that it will not work, but this all gets outsourced to other companies, so if it fails then they get the blame, and so it goes ahead, against the wishes of pretty much the whole country. Mike *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
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1) That, I do believe is a crock of shit!2) If he does anything like that, he will be dead!!! --and-- 3) Anyone who believes in those ideas are fucked up, stupid, and this I can promise, will NOT make it in this world, dead or alive! 4) Like I said, I think this a crock of shit, and possibly spam. On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 9:56 PM, IceKat [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Usually I'm suspicious of this stuff but I happen to know that Get Up is legit and thought the Aussie members of this list might like to know about this. IceKat. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** Thought you might be interested Love Mum - Original Message - *From:* GetUp [EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] *Sent:* Wednesday, November 26, 2008 4:17 PM *Subject:* The Great Firewall of Australia http://www.getup.org.au/campaign/SaveTheNet?dc=564,324731,1 Dear Helen, Imagine a government proposing an internet censorship system that went further than any other democracy - one that made the internet up to 87% slower, more expensive, accidentally blocked up to one in 12 legitimate sites, and missed the vast majority of inappropriate content. This is not China, Saudi Arabia or Iran - this is the vision of Senator Stephen Conroy for Australia. *Testing has already begun.* The community must now move to stop this plan. *Click here to save the net:* *www.getup.org.au/campaign/SaveTheNet*http://www.getup.org.au/campaign/SaveTheNet?dc=564,324731,1 The system that Senator Conroy wants is *a mandatory filter of all internet traffic*, with the government of the day able to add any unwanted site to a secret blacklist. Already, the wrangling has begun for the inclusion of material relating to anorexia, euthanasia and gambling. It isn't difficult to see *the scheme is open to abuse*. Even when it comes to preventing child p-rnography, the filter will not prevent peer-to-peer sharing and is very simple to sidestep. *The protection of our children is vitally important* - that's why we can't afford to waste funds on this deeply flawed system. We should be concentrating on solutions that are more effective and won't undermine our digital economy or our democratic freedoms. This must rank as one of the most ill-thought decisions of the Rudd Government's first year in power. We need to act now to *tell big brother the mandatory internet filter is incompatible with the principles of a modern democracy and modern economy*: *www.getup.org.au/campaign/SaveTheNet*http://www.getup.org.au/campaign/SaveTheNet?dc=564,324731,1 Our government should be doing all in its power to take Australia into the 21st century economy, and to protect our children. *This proposed internet censorship does neither.* Take action to save the net today. Thanks for being a part of the solution, The GetUp team PS - The proposed scheme will pass all internet traffic through a government filter - it's like asking Australia Post to filter every letter sent in Australia. *Click here to save the net.*http://www.getup.org.au/campaign/SaveTheNet?dc=564,324731,1 __ GetUp is an independent, not-for-profit community campaigning group. We use new technology to empower Australians to have their say on important national issues. We receive no political party or government funding, and every campaign we run is entirely supported by voluntary donations. If you'd like to contribute to *help fund GetUp's work*, please *donate now!https://www.getup.org.au/donate/?dc=564,324731,1 * If you have trouble with any links in this email, please go directly to www.getup.org.au http://www.getup.org.au?dc=564,324731,1. To unsubscribe from GetUp, please click herehttp://www.getup.org.au/pages/emailunsub?dc=564,324731,1 . Authorised by Simon Sheikh, Level 2, 294 Pitt St, Sydney NSW 2000[image: tracking] -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.9.10/1812 - Release Date: 11/25/2008 7:53 PM -- Brett P. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
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Oh, it's certainly not spam. It's been all over news, whirlpool, everywhere. Brett Patterson wrote: 1) That, I do believe is a crock of shit! 2) If he does anything like that, he will be dead!!! --and-- 3) Anyone who believes in those ideas are fucked up, stupid, and this I can promise, will NOT make it in this world, dead or alive! 4) Like I said, I think this a crock of shit, and possibly spam. On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 9:56 PM, IceKat [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Usually I'm suspicious of this stuff but I happen to know that Get Up is legit and thought the Aussie members of this list might like to know about this. IceKat. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** Thought you might be interested Love Mum - Original Message - From: GetUp To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2008 4:17 PM Subject: The Great Firewall of Australia Dear Helen, Imagine a government proposing an internet censorship system that went further than any other democracy - one that made the internet up to 87% slower, more expensive, accidentally blocked up to one in 12 legitimate sites, and missed the vast majority of inappropriate content. This is not China, Saudi Arabia or Iran - this is the vision of Senator Stephen Conroy for Australia. Testing has already begun. The community must now move to stop this plan. Click here to save the net: www.getup.org.au/campaign/SaveTheNet The system that Senator Conroy wants is a mandatory filter of all internet traffic, with the government of the day able to add any unwanted site to a secret blacklist. Already, the wrangling has begun for the inclusion of material relating to anorexia, euthanasia and gambling. It isn't difficult to see the scheme is open to abuse. Even when it comes to preventing child p-rnography, the filter will not prevent peer-to-peer sharing and is very simple to sidestep. The protection of our children is vitally important - that's why we can't afford to waste funds on this deeply flawed system. We should be concentrating on solutions that are more effective and won't undermine our digital economy or our democratic freedoms. This must rank as one of the most ill-thought decisions of the Rudd Government's first year in power. We need to act now to tell big brother the mandatory internet filter is incompatible with the principles of a modern democracy and modern economy: www.getup.org.au/campaign/SaveTheNet Our government should be doing all in its power to take Australia into the 21st century economy, and to protect our children. This proposed internet censorship does neither. Take action to save the net today. Thanks for being a part of the solution, The GetUp team PS - The proposed scheme will pass all internet traffic through a government filter - it's like asking Australia Post to filter every letter sent in Australia. Click here to save the net. __ GetUp is an independent, not-for-profit community campaigning group. We use new technology to empower Australians to have their say on important national issues. We receive no political party or government funding, and every campaign we run is entirely supported by voluntary donations. If you'd like to contribute to help fund GetUp's work, please donate now! If you have trouble with any links in this email, please go directly to www.getup.org.au. To unsubscribe from GetUp, please click here. Authorised by Simon Sheikh, Level 2, 294 Pitt St, Sydney NSW 2000 No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.9.10/1812 - Release Date: 11/25/2008 7:53 PM -- Brett P. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** ***List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfmUnsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfmHelp: [EMAIL PROTECTED]***
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On Thu, Nov 27, 2008 at 4:04 PM, Anthony Ziebell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh, it's certainly not spam. It's been all over news, whirlpool, everywhere. Yes, it's definitely real. I feel ashamed of being Australian right there. -- Blake Haswell http://www.blakehaswell.com/ | http://blakehaswell.wordpress.com/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
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Brett Patterson wrote: 1) That, I do believe is a crock of shit! 2) If he does anything like that, he will be dead!!! --and-- 3) Anyone who believes in those ideas are fucked up, stupid, and this I can promise, will NOT make it in this world, dead or alive! 4) Like I said, I think this a crock of shit, and possibly spam. Very expressive. Though you might want to adjust your meds a bit :-) And you might want to google, say, Australia firewall censorship... FWIW, -- Hassan Schroeder - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Webtuitive Design === (+1) 408-621-3445 === http://webtuitive.com dream. code. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
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Haha, it's not spam, unfortunately the only entity that fits your rather heated descriptive words on this topic is the Government of Australia, who are pushing for this filter. This *is* already happening in Australia and the Government have seriously said they would like it in place. I know, hard to believe. And that's why anyone who values the freedom of the Internet should sign the petition - god knows what could happen in other countries if they see that Australia is able to get such a thing in place. Regards, Casey. On Wed, 2008-11-26 at 22:59 -0600, Brett Patterson wrote: 1) That, I do believe is a crock of shit! 2) If he does anything like that, he will be dead!!! --and-- 3) Anyone who believes in those ideas are fucked up, stupid, and this I can promise, will NOT make it in this world, dead or alive! 4) Like I said, I think this a crock of shit, and possibly spam. On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 9:56 PM, IceKat [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Usually I'm suspicious of this stuff but I happen to know that Get Up is legit and thought the Aussie members of this list might like to know about this. IceKat. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** Thought you might be interested Love Mum - Original Message - From: GetUp To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2008 4:17 PM Subject: The Great Firewall of Australia Dear Helen, Imagine a government proposing an internet censorship system that went further than any other democracy - one that made the internet up to 87% slower, more expensive, accidentally blocked up to one in 12 legitimate sites, and missed the vast majority of inappropriate content. This is not China, Saudi Arabia or Iran - this is the vision of Senator Stephen Conroy for Australia. Testing has already begun. The community must now move to stop this plan. Click here to save the net: www.getup.org.au/campaign/SaveTheNet The system that Senator Conroy wants is a mandatory filter of all internet traffic, with the government of the day able to add any unwanted site to a secret blacklist. Already, the wrangling has begun for the inclusion of material relating to anorexia, euthanasia and gambling. It isn't difficult to see the scheme is open to abuse. Even when it comes to preventing child p-rnography, the filter will not prevent peer-to-peer sharing and is very simple to sidestep. The protection of our children is vitally important - that's why we can't afford to waste funds on this deeply flawed system. We should be concentrating on solutions that are more effective and won't undermine our digital economy or our democratic freedoms. This must rank as one of the most ill-thought decisions of the Rudd Government's first year in power. We need to act now to tell big brother the mandatory internet filter is incompatible with the principles of a modern democracy and modern economy: www.getup.org.au/campaign/SaveTheNet Our government should be doing all in its power to take Australia into the 21st century economy, and to protect our children. This proposed internet censorship does neither. Take action to save the net today. Thanks for being a part of the solution, The GetUp team PS - The proposed scheme will pass all internet traffic through a government filter - it's like asking Australia Post to filter every letter sent in Australia. Click here to save the net. __ GetUp is an independent, not-for-profit community campaigning group. We use new technology to empower Australians to have their say on important national issues. We receive no political party or government funding, and every campaign we run is entirely supported by voluntary donations. If you'd like to contribute to help fund GetUp's work, please donate now! If you have trouble with any links in this email, please go directly to www.getup.org.au. To unsubscribe from GetUp, please click
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Hi Brett, Where have you been, this is a very important very current issue facing anyone involved in web based industries. ciao L Brett Patterson wrote: 1) That, I do believe is a crock of shit! 2) If he does anything like that, he will be dead!!! --and-- 3) Anyone who believes in those ideas are fucked up, stupid, and this I can promise, will NOT make it in this world, dead or alive! 4) Like I said, I think this a crock of shit, and possibly spam. On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 9:56 PM, IceKat [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Usually I'm suspicious of this stuff but I happen to know that Get Up is legit and thought the Aussie members of this list might like to know about this. IceKat. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *** Thought you might be interested Love Mum - Original Message - *From:* GetUp mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Sent:* Wednesday, November 26, 2008 4:17 PM *Subject:* The Great Firewall of Australia http://www.getup.org.au/campaign/SaveTheNet?dc=564,324731,1 Dear Helen, Imagine a government proposing an internet censorship system that went further than any other democracy - one that made the internet up to 87% slower, more expensive, accidentally blocked up to one in 12 legitimate sites, and missed the vast majority of inappropriate content. This is not China, Saudi Arabia or Iran - this is the vision of Senator Stephen Conroy for Australia. *Testing has already begun.* The community must now move to stop this plan. *Click here to save the net:* *www.getup.org.au/campaign/SaveTheNet* http://www.getup.org.au/campaign/SaveTheNet?dc=564,324731,1 The system that Senator Conroy wants is *a mandatory filter of all internet traffic*, with the government of the day able to add any unwanted site to a secret blacklist. Already, the wrangling has begun for the inclusion of material relating to anorexia, euthanasia and gambling. It isn't difficult to see *the scheme is open to abuse*. Even when it comes to preventing child p-rnography, the filter will not prevent peer-to-peer sharing and is very simple to sidestep. *The protection of our children is vitally important* - that's why we can't afford to waste funds on this deeply flawed system. We should be concentrating on solutions that are more effective and won't undermine our digital economy or our democratic freedoms. This must rank as one of the most ill-thought decisions of the Rudd Government's first year in power. We need to act now to *tell big brother the mandatory internet filter is incompatible with the principles of a modern democracy and modern economy*: *www.getup.org.au/campaign/SaveTheNet* http://www.getup.org.au/campaign/SaveTheNet?dc=564,324731,1 Our government should be doing all in its power to take Australia into the 21st century economy, and to protect our children. *This proposed internet censorship does neither.* Take action to save the net today. Thanks for being a part of the solution, The GetUp team PS - The proposed scheme will pass all internet traffic through a government filter - it's like asking Australia Post to filter every letter sent in Australia. *Click here to save the net.* http://www.getup.org.au/campaign/SaveTheNet?dc=564,324731,1 __ GetUp is an independent, not-for-profit community campaigning group. We use new technology to empower Australians to have their say on important national issues. We receive no political party or government funding, and every campaign we run is entirely supported by voluntary donations. If you'd like to contribute to *help fund GetUp's work*, please *donate now! https://www.getup.org.au/donate/?dc=564,324731,1* If you have trouble with any links in this email, please go directly to www.getup.org.au http://www.getup.org.au?dc=564,324731,1. To unsubscribe from GetUp, please click here http://www.getup.org.au/pages/emailunsub?dc=564,324731,1. Authorised by Simon Sheikh, Level 2, 294 Pitt St, Sydney NSW 2000tracking No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.9.10/1812 - Release Date: 11/25/2008 7:53 PM -- Brett P. *** List Guidelines:
Re: [WSG] Fw: The Great Firewall of Australia
Yes, real, definitely. But think about it, the government would already, and in some part already do filter information. If they went to the extremes outlined though, don't you think that generally the public (not just the web development community) would put up such a stink about it, the government would be forced into taking several steps back. Unfortunately though, even though the government is supposed to work in the best interests of it's people, they don't in the long run. Blake wrote: On Thu, Nov 27, 2008 at 4:04 PM, Anthony Ziebell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh, it's certainly not spam. It's been all over news, whirlpool, everywhere. Yes, it's definitely real. I feel ashamed of being Australian right there. -- Blake Haswell http://www.blakehaswell.com/ | http://blakehaswell.wordpress.com/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Fw: The Great Firewall of Australia
(Hoping this thread isn't off topic) Isn't this all a storm in a tea cup? Last time I checked, Australia was still a democracy, and while *somebody* must have voted for Conroy, we (Australians) still get a say. But aren't there some serious practical barriers to this? Would ISP's seriously get behind this? Is it even technically feasible to do properly? And will the internet surfing population of Australia get behind it? We have all kinds of talk in the press about getting a high speed network, while at the same time there is talk of this filtering guff *slowing* the our net by up to 80%. What I'm saying is: I don't know how much I care about this issue. Yes, it's shocking that anyone would try this in Australia, but aren't it's chances of getting off the ground about zero? Nedlud. On Thu, Nov 27, 2008 at 4:29 PM, Blake [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Nov 27, 2008 at 4:04 PM, Anthony Ziebell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh, it's certainly not spam. It's been all over news, whirlpool, everywhere. Yes, it's definitely real. I feel ashamed of being Australian right there. -- Blake Haswell http://www.blakehaswell.com/ | http://blakehaswell.wordpress.com/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
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This is currently at the stage of the government looking for expressions of interest from ISP's to set this up for a trial. I only hope that this trial shows that this proposal is the crock of sh*t that everyone says it is. The previous Liberal government's proposal is a much more viable, and better suited proposal. They were providing web monitoring software to be run on each PC (at the request of the owner) rather than scanning the incoming data in real-time. Andrew 2008/11/27 Hassan Schroeder [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Brett Patterson wrote: 1) That, I do believe is a crock of shit! 2) If he does anything like that, he will be dead!!! --and-- 3) Anyone who believes in those ideas are fucked up, stupid, and this I can promise, will NOT make it in this world, dead or alive! 4) Like I said, I think this a crock of shit, and possibly spam. Very expressive. Though you might want to adjust your meds a bit :-) And you might want to google, say, Australia firewall censorship... FWIW, -- Hassan Schroeder - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Webtuitive Design === (+1) 408-621-3445 === http://webtuitive.com dream. code. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
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As I understand it, tests have already been completed in TAS? I'm not sure how accurate this is, though... as I have not seen any results. Andrew Barnett wrote: This is currently at the stage of the government looking for expressions of interest from ISP's to set this up for a trial. I only hope that this trial shows that this proposal is the crock of sh*t that everyone says it is. The previous Liberal government's proposal is a much more viable, and better suited proposal. They were providing web monitoring software to be run on each PC (at the request of the owner) rather than scanning the incoming data in real-time. Andrew 2008/11/27 Hassan Schroeder [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Brett Patterson wrote: 1) That, I do believe is a crock of shit! 2) If he does anything like that, he will be dead!!! --and-- 3) Anyone who believes in those ideas are fucked up, stupid, and this I can promise, will NOT make it in this world, dead or alive! 4) Like I said, I think this a crock of shit, and possibly spam. Very expressive. Though you might want to adjust your meds a bit :-) And you might want to google, say, "Australia firewall censorship"... FWIW, -- Hassan Schroeder - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Webtuitive Design === (+1) 408-621-3445 === http://webtuitive.com dream. code. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** ***List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfmUnsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfmHelp: [EMAIL PROTECTED]***
Re: [WSG] Fw: The Great Firewall of Australia
Nedlud, My understanding is that as long as the majority of elected members of parliament support this proposition, it will be able to pass through, even though it is technically unfeasible. The Liberals and the Greens are very opposed to this legislation, and it cannot be passed in the Senate without the support of either the Liberals or the Greens. I am hoping that the live testing/trial that will be carried out early next year just shows that this is technically unfeasible. It is quite stupid to be filtering the internet for everyone in Australia, when it is much simpler to be done on each individual PC through the use of software as the previous Liberal government proposed. This is a step backwards in my opinion, and it has finally started to hit the wider community, however they are pushing the child porn case, and as such, anyone seen opposing this legislation, is in fact supporting child porn being freely available. In my day to day surfing of the net, I have never once come across child pornography, you only seem to be able to find it if you go searching for it in my opinion. So this legislation to enforce filtering is overkill. Andrew 2008/11/27 nedlud [EMAIL PROTECTED]: (Hoping this thread isn't off topic) Isn't this all a storm in a tea cup? Last time I checked, Australia was still a democracy, and while *somebody* must have voted for Conroy, we (Australians) still get a say. But aren't there some serious practical barriers to this? Would ISP's seriously get behind this? Is it even technically feasible to do properly? And will the internet surfing population of Australia get behind it? We have all kinds of talk in the press about getting a high speed network, while at the same time there is talk of this filtering guff *slowing* the our net by up to 80%. What I'm saying is: I don't know how much I care about this issue. Yes, it's shocking that anyone would try this in Australia, but aren't it's chances of getting off the ground about zero? Nedlud. On Thu, Nov 27, 2008 at 4:29 PM, Blake [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Nov 27, 2008 at 4:04 PM, Anthony Ziebell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh, it's certainly not spam. It's been all over news, whirlpool, everywhere. Yes, it's definitely real. I feel ashamed of being Australian right there. -- Blake Haswell http://www.blakehaswell.com/ | http://blakehaswell.wordpress.com/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] Fw: The Great Firewall of Australia
I was originally involved in the testing of the Net Alert server based filters from a User perspective. Of course a lot of the information is confidential, but it shouldn't harm to point you to some of the publicly available information: http://www.netalert.gov.au/advice/publications/reports/a_study_on_server_based_internet_filters.html The section User Experience may be of particular interest. I should also add that the tests I was involved in were done 1 or 2 years back in a specifically prepared environment and I am not aware which changes, if any, have been made to the systems. It seems now they are testing it all in reality with ISPs. Andreas. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Anthony Ziebell Sent: Thursday, 27 November 2008 4:51 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Fw: The Great Firewall of Australia As I understand it, tests have already been completed in TAS? I'm not sure how accurate this is, though... as I have not seen any results. Andrew Barnett wrote: This is currently at the stage of the government looking for expressions of interest from ISP's to set this up for a trial. I only hope that this trial shows that this proposal is the crock of sh*t that everyone says it is. The previous Liberal government's proposal is a much more viable, and better suited proposal. They were providing web monitoring software to be run on each PC (at the request of the owner) rather than scanning the incoming data in real-time. Andrew 2008/11/27 Hassan Schroeder [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] : Brett Patterson wrote: 1) That, I do believe is a crock of shit! 2) If he does anything like that, he will be dead!!! --and-- 3) Anyone who believes in those ideas are fucked up, stupid, and this I can promise, will NOT make it in this world, dead or alive! 4) Like I said, I think this a crock of shit, and possibly spam. Very expressive. Though you might want to adjust your meds a bit :-) And you might want to google, say, Australia firewall censorship... FWIW, -- Hassan Schroeder - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Webtuitive Design === (+1) 408-621-3445 === http://webtuitive.com dream. code. * ** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * ** * ** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * ** __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3644 (20081126) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3644 (20081126) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Fw: The Great Firewall of Australia
Brett Patterson wrote: 1) That, I do believe is a crock of shit! 2) If he does anything like that, he will be dead!!! --and-- 3) Anyone who believes in those ideas are fucked up, stupid, and this I can promise, will NOT make it in this world, dead or alive! 4) Like I said, I think this a crock of shit, and possibly spam. Very expressive. Though you might want to adjust your meds a bit :-) And you might want to google, say, Australia firewall censorship... its true ... http://nocleanfeed.com/ (clean feed is a misnomer - it's not optional) http://www.efa.org.au/2008/11/15/filtering-pilot-and-acma-blacklist-not-just-illegal-material/ http://www.efa.org.au/2008/10/26/can-labor-implement-clean-feed-without-legislation/ It is similar to what Alston wanted to do a couple of years ago ... but Coonan dropped it when she replaced Alston . (favouring a more sensible approach of people installing optional filtering software on their own PCs) . Now it looks like Conroy, like Alston, is clueless and too heavily influenced by fanatical religious extremists. It is sad to see Australia going down the route towards totalitarianism. Why is the list of banned sites kept secret? What is to stop something like this from being misused in future by corrupt officials to ban sites they don't agree with (that are otherwise harmless) or taking bribes to ban the competition? ... by the time someone goes though the red tape to get their site taken off the list the damage may have been done. ...also... If there is any kind of AI or spam-filter-like heuristics involved what is there to prevent false positives? ...and... like other attempts at censorship elsewhere in the world it is not kiddy porn sites or terrorists that suffer (as they inevitably find ways around it) .. It is the average person who ends up putting up with slower speeds and higher costs. god knows what could happen in other countries if they see that Australia is able to get such a thing in place. we will become a laughing stock... along with China, North Korea, Iran, etc (and all those other totalitarian governments and banana republics) Isn't this all a storm in a tea cup? Last time I checked, Australia was still a democracy, and while *somebody* must have voted for Conroy, we (Australians) still get a say. I don't think many people voted about this issue directly they mostly just wanted Howard out. That doesn't mean everyone who voted Labor agrees with everything Labor does. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
