Re: [WSG] IE8 beta's a nightmare

[Thomas Thomassen]

If there isn't any doctype you won't have to worry. IE8 will use the old 
render engines for that.


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Hi Thom,

finally someone who addressed my original question ;-)

We'd tested a few sites, build over the last 18...24 months, and I'm not
sure about how much IE-only styles there are. I guess the doctype is
mainly XHTML Transitional if at all.

I hope once IE8 is out of beta we'll have more joy...

Cheers,

Jens

-Original Message-

My own experience was that IE8 was rendering surprisingly well. I use
conditional comments to fix IE issues, however they where targeting IE
lte 7 so IE8 wasn't getting any fixes. But it didn't need to. That's
with strict XHTML doctype. Haven't tried any other.

-Thom

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Re: [WSG] IE8 beta's a nightmare

[Gunlaug Sørtun]

Jens-Uwe Korff wrote:


Did anyone do some more testing with IE8?


Yes, and I've concluded here...



Do we know any better release date than "mid year"?


The later the better, as the IE-team got plenty left to fix if they want
IE8 to end up as a serious replacement for earlier versions.

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RE: [WSG] IE8 beta's a nightmare

[Jens-Uwe Korff]

Hi Thom,

finally someone who addressed my original question ;-)

We'd tested a few sites, build over the last 18...24 months, and I'm not
sure about how much IE-only styles there are. I guess the doctype is
mainly XHTML Transitional if at all.

I hope once IE8 is out of beta we'll have more joy...

Cheers,
 
Jens 

-Original Message-

My own experience was that IE8 was rendering surprisingly well. I use
conditional comments to fix IE issues, however they where targeting IE
lte 7 so IE8 wasn't getting any fixes. But it didn't need to. That's
with strict XHTML doctype. Haven't tried any other.

-Thom

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Re: [WSG] IE8 beta's a nightmare

[Andrew Maben]

On Apr 29, 2008, at 12:41 PM, Joseph Ortenzi wrote:

Most of what I've seen people put into ActiveX and .NET can be done  
otherwise by clever developers and still be standards compliant or  
at least, cross-browser-compliant.


If you need to write proprietary code that is browser specific you  
are not adhering to web standards. either it is important or it  
isn't, no fence-sitting allowed..


well, obviously. and furthermore this is the web standards group, so  
i thought that it would pretty much go without saying.


I was just making the point that there are (way too) many developers  
who are obliged by their employment situation to do things they might  
prefer not to, and worse there are others who aren't even aware that  
there's a fence.


Just because everyone *could* be writing standards-compliant pages,  
sadly that does *not* mean that we can expect that it will become  
common practice in the foreseeable future. I would hope it's  
reasonable to suppose that everyone in this group is committed to  
standards. I'm sorry if it's now heretical to point out that not  
everyone shares our commitment, and that some of us are sometimes  
obliged to cross the line...


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Re: [WSG] IE8 beta's a nightmare

[Joseph Ortenzi]

Most of what I've seen people put into ActiveX and .NET can be done  
otherwise by clever developers and still be standards compliant or at  
least, cross-browser-compliant.


If you need to write proprietary code that is browser specific you are  
not adhering to web standards. either it is important or it isn't, no  
fence-sitting allowed..



On Apr 29, 2008, at 17:19, Andrew Maben wrote:


On Apr 29, 2008, at 5:22 AM, James Jeffery wrote:

What developer on this planet is going to take advantage of a  
feature thats been put into IE and not Mozilla?


Alas, all too many... can you say "ActiveX"? how about ".NET"?  
Whatcha gonna do when boss/client demands some glitzy gizmo found on  
some IE-only site? I mean universal access is a wonderful ideal, but  
let's face it, it's still a pretty hard sell.


And to be fair, M$ has put forward the occasional useful innovation...

Andrew






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Re: [WSG] IE8 beta's a nightmare

[Andrew Maben]

On Apr 29, 2008, at 5:22 AM, James Jeffery wrote:

What developer on this planet is going to take advantage of a  
feature thats been put into IE and not Mozilla?


Alas, all too many... can you say "ActiveX"? how about ".NET"?  
Whatcha gonna do when boss/client demands some glitzy gizmo found on  
some IE-only site? I mean universal access is a wonderful ideal, but  
let's face it, it's still a pretty hard sell.


And to be fair, M$ has put forward the occasional useful innovation...

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Re: [WSG] IE8 beta's a nightmare

[Thomas Thomassen]

My own experience was that IE8 was rendering surprisingly well. I use 
conditional comments to fix IE issues, however they where targeting IE lte 7 
so IE8 wasn't getting any fixes. But it didn't need to. That's with strict 
XHTML doctype. Haven't tried any other.


-Thom

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Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2008 9:10 AM
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Subject: [WSG] IE8 beta's a nightmare


Hi community,

we just did some testing of our sites in IE8 beta and got some ahhhs and
ohhhs - not because of its standard compliance, rather because all sites
seem to be broken: logos disappeared, elements misplaced, Google maps
blown up, etc.

Did anyone do some more testing with IE8?

Do we know any better release date than "mid year"?

Thanks,

Jens

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RE: [WSG] IE8 beta's a nightmare

[michael.brockington]

>-Original Message-
>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
>[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Harris
>Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2008 10:48 AM
>To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
>Subject: Re: [WSG] IE8 beta's a nightmare
>
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>> That would be pragmatic Intranet developers, who know that they only 
>> need to worry about IE, with a specific version, on a 
>specific version 
>> of Windows, and know that their bonus depends not on quality but on 
>> deadlines.
>>  
>You're limiting the damage, Michael. What about all those who bought
>(buy!) Frontpage or had it installed as part of their select agreement.
>
>> Sad, but true.
>>  
>Well, on that we agree ;-)
>
>cheers
>
>mark



I doubt if many of the people on this list would regard the users of
Frontpage as 'Developers', but your point is totally valid!

Mike


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Re: [WSG] IE8 beta's a nightmare

[Karl Lurman]

> Microsoft should save themselves all the hassle and use the Geko engine.
> There IE still gets shipped with
> every version of Windows.
>
> They have created a nice operating system for general users and by changing
> their engine to an open source
>  one is not going to decrease sales in their O/S.
>
> This isn't the end of the IE bugs. I can put my house on it there will be
> more to come.

Agreed, they should. But, in doing so they admit their own development
processes cannot re-produce the quality of software coming out of the
'open source' movement. Frankly, you just have to look at all the
security holes that non-Microsoft developers have discovered

I just look forward to the day when Microsoft isn't such a determining
factor in web development, let alone the internet or even information
technology all together. It just couldn't happen soon enough for me...
I cannot count the number of weeks or even years that Bill Gates owes
me money for - what with all the productivity I have lost because of
viruses, malware, buggy software like Word, Internet Explorer and
their Windows OS (or should that be NS for non-operating system). I
just blows my mind how much time *everyone* has wasted because their
'is no alternative'...

Thank God for Firefox, *nix (linux,bsd etc) and Apple. Without you, I
would have left this industry many years ago.

Karl


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Re: [WSG] IE8 beta's a nightmare

[Mark Harris]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


That would be pragmatic Intranet developers, who know that they only
need to worry about IE, with a specific version, on a specific version
of Windows, and know that their bonus depends not on quality but on
deadlines.
 
You're limiting the damage, Michael. What about all those who bought 
(buy!) Frontpage or had it installed as part of their select agreement.



Sad, but true.
 

Well, on that we agree ;-)

cheers

mark


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Re: [WSG] IE8 beta's a nightmare

[Dave Woods]

*>> I've said it many times, MS try to outdo the competition and invent
their own mad functions and methods of doing things. You have Mozilla that
are promoting a standard and you have MS who are following (to some extent)
the standard and also inventing their own.*

Maybe a few years ago but Microsoft are following standards much better
these days and pass the ACID2 test with IE8.
*
>> What developer on this planet is going to take advantage of a feature
thats been put into IE and not Mozilla, or any other browser engine for that
matter. Thats like giving one user one thing and another user another.*

But that's exactly why Microsoft are having the problems that they are ;o) A
lot of developers DID take advantage of "features" of IE during the browser
wars and because so many intranet's and business critical applications now
rely on these systems, businesses can't upgrade for fear of breaking them,
hence the reason why IE6 is taking so long to disappear.

I fully believe that Microsoft are heading in the right direction though and
whilst I don't agree with everything that Microsoft have done in the past,
they are taking the right steps to improve the browser and are at least
listening to the developer community.

As I mentioned earlier though... Internet Explorer 8 beta 1 is NOT the final
release of the browser and it will hopefully have bugs fixed when the final
release hits the market. Use it for browsing the web, having a look at your
sites, using its new features and reporting bugs back to Microsoft but it
shouldn't be used for the production of websites just yet.

Thanks
Dave
- - - - -
http://www.dave-woods.co.uk




2008/4/29 James Jeffery <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> Ha Ha, i like name inferior explorer. Maybe someone should set up the
> domain name and allow people to comment on I.E for MS to see.
>
> I've said it many times, MS try to outdo the competition and invent their
> own mad functions and methods of doing things. You have Mozilla
> that are promoting a standard and you have MS who are following (to some
> extent) the standard and also inventing their own.
>
> What developer on this planet is going to take advantage of a feature
> thats been put into IE and not Mozilla, or any other browser engine for
> that matter. Thats like giving one user one thing and another user
> another.
>
> They are going to slice their own heads off.
>
> I hate to get into the Unix vs. Windows debate but for reasons like this
> and others related to MS inventing their own standards, Linux will
> eventually take over. Didn't MS try to invent their own version of XML, or
> something like that? I remember seeing a petition in college about
> it.
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 29, 2008 at 9:35 AM, Sam Sherlock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>
> > Ideas stuff and various work right off the bat with ff and opera
> > tweaking ie can go on for weeks and often requires loads of compromises
> >
> > the list of issues with ie browsers hurts my noggin
> >
> > I can't see m$ using geko though (it would be admitting the competition
> > is better) I wish they would, shame it would be better for everyone
> >
> >
> > should be forever reffered to as inferior explorer :)
> > - S
> >
> > 2008/4/29 James Jeffery <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> >
> > > Microsoft should save themselves all the hassle and use the Geko
> > > engine. There IE still gets shipped with
> > > every version of Windows.
> > >
> > > They have created a nice operating system for general users and by
> > > changing their engine to an open source
> > > one is not going to decrease sales in their O/S.
> > >
> > > This isn't the end of the IE bugs. I can put my house on it there will
> > > be more to come.
> > >
> > > On Tue, Apr 29, 2008 at 9:04 AM, Sam Sherlock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > looks like another quagmire is about to open up;
> > > >
> > > > funny how I still feel that I am getting over ie6
> > > >
> > > > 2008/4/29 Dave Woods <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > > >
> > > > Don't fix or change anything in your site to be compatible with a
> > > > > beta version.
> > > > >
> > > > > The beta version is available so that developers can report
> > > > > problems to Microsoft so that any bugs can be fixed for the final 
> > > > > release.
> > > > > By changing your code now, you're likely to find that you'll need to 
> > > > > change
> > > > > it again when the final release of IE8 is made available.
> > > > >
> > > > > If you're already getting a significant number of IE8 users (which
> > > > > is probably unlikely) then do as Rahul suggests and use the meta tag 
> > > > > to
> > > > > force IE7 rendering mode.
> > > > >
> > > > > Hope that helps?
> > > > >
> > > > > Dave
> > > > > --
> > > > > http://www.dave-woods.co.uk
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > 2008/4/29 Rahul Gonsalves <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > > > >
> > > > > On 29-Apr-08, at 12:40 PM, Jens-Uwe Korff wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >  we just did some testing of our sites in IE8 beta and got some
> 

Re: [WSG] IE8 beta's a nightmare

[Mark Harris]

James Jeffery wrote:


What developer on this planet is going to take advantage of a feature thats
been put into IE and not Mozilla, or any other browser engine for
that matter. Thats like giving one user one thing and another user another.



"But- but- but- *everybody* uses Windows!  Why would you use anything else?"


It's precisely because this happened over the last 10 years or so that 
lists like this exist.


James, meet clue. I think you may get on well together.


cheers

mark


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Re: [WSG] IE8 beta's a nightmare

[Ben Buchanan]

What developer on this planet is going to take advantage of a feature thats
> been put into IE and not Mozilla, or any other browser engine for
> that matter.


A cynical person might say that group is called "just about everyone who is
not subscribed to this email list" ;)

-Ben

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RE: [WSG] IE8 beta's a nightmare

[michael.brockington]

 >  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of James Jeffery
 >  Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2008 10:23 AM
 >  To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
 > Subject: Re: [WSG] IE8 beta's a nightmare
 

 
 >  What developer on this planet is going to take advantage of a
feature thats been put into IE and not Mozilla 
 
That would be pragmatic Intranet developers, who know that they only
need to worry about IE, with a specific version, on a specific version
of Windows, and know that their bonus depends not on quality but on
deadlines.
 
Sad, but true.
 
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Re: [WSG] IE8 beta's a nightmare

[James Jeffery]

Ha Ha, i like name inferior explorer. Maybe someone should set up the domain
name and allow people to comment on I.E for MS to see.

I've said it many times, MS try to outdo the competition and invent their
own mad functions and methods of doing things. You have Mozilla
that are promoting a standard and you have MS who are following (to some
extent) the standard and also inventing their own.

What developer on this planet is going to take advantage of a feature thats
been put into IE and not Mozilla, or any other browser engine for
that matter. Thats like giving one user one thing and another user another.

They are going to slice their own heads off.

I hate to get into the Unix vs. Windows debate but for reasons like this and
others related to MS inventing their own standards, Linux will
eventually take over. Didn't MS try to invent their own version of XML, or
something like that? I remember seeing a petition in college about
it.




On Tue, Apr 29, 2008 at 9:35 AM, Sam Sherlock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> Ideas stuff and various work right off the bat with ff and opera tweaking
> ie can go on for weeks and often requires loads of compromises
>
> the list of issues with ie browsers hurts my noggin
>
> I can't see m$ using geko though (it would be admitting the competition is
> better) I wish they would, shame it would be better for everyone
>
>
> should be forever reffered to as inferior explorer :)
> - S
>
> 2008/4/29 James Jeffery <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
>> Microsoft should save themselves all the hassle and use the Geko engine.
>> There IE still gets shipped with
>> every version of Windows.
>>
>> They have created a nice operating system for general users and by
>> changing their engine to an open source
>> one is not going to decrease sales in their O/S.
>>
>> This isn't the end of the IE bugs. I can put my house on it there will be
>> more to come.
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 29, 2008 at 9:04 AM, Sam Sherlock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> looks like another quagmire is about to open up;
>>>
>>> funny how I still feel that I am getting over ie6
>>>
>>> 2008/4/29 Dave Woods <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>>>
>>> Don't fix or change anything in your site to be compatible with a beta
 version.

 The beta version is available so that developers can report problems to
 Microsoft so that any bugs can be fixed for the final release. By changing
 your code now, you're likely to find that you'll need to change it again
 when the final release of IE8 is made available.

 If you're already getting a significant number of IE8 users (which is
 probably unlikely) then do as Rahul suggests and use the meta tag to force
 IE7 rendering mode.

 Hope that helps?

 Dave
 --
 http://www.dave-woods.co.uk



 2008/4/29 Rahul Gonsalves <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

 On 29-Apr-08, at 12:40 PM, Jens-Uwe Korff wrote:
>
>  we just did some testing of our sites in IE8 beta and got some ahhhs
>> and
>> ohhhs - not because of its standard compliance, rather because all
>> sites
>> seem to be broken: logos disappeared, elements misplaced, Google maps
>> blown up, etc.
>>
>
> Dare I say:
> 
>
> Does that not give you enough time to fix the issues with the new
> layout engine and then remove it/set it to content="IE=8"?
>
> Or have I misunderstood how IE works? I frequently do.
>
> Best,
>  - Rahul.
>
>
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[Sam Sherlock]

Ideas stuff and various work right off the bat with ff and opera tweaking ie
can go on for weeks and often requires loads of compromises

the list of issues with ie browsers hurts my noggin

I can't see m$ using geko though (it would be admitting the competition is
better) I wish they would, shame it would be better for everyone


should be forever reffered to as inferior explorer :)
- S

2008/4/29 James Jeffery <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> Microsoft should save themselves all the hassle and use the Geko engine.
> There IE still gets shipped with
> every version of Windows.
>
> They have created a nice operating system for general users and by
> changing their engine to an open source
> one is not going to decrease sales in their O/S.
>
> This isn't the end of the IE bugs. I can put my house on it there will be
> more to come.
>
> On Tue, Apr 29, 2008 at 9:04 AM, Sam Sherlock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>
> > looks like another quagmire is about to open up;
> >
> > funny how I still feel that I am getting over ie6
> >
> > 2008/4/29 Dave Woods <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> >
> > Don't fix or change anything in your site to be compatible with a beta
> > > version.
> > >
> > > The beta version is available so that developers can report problems
> > > to Microsoft so that any bugs can be fixed for the final release. By
> > > changing your code now, you're likely to find that you'll need to change 
> > > it
> > > again when the final release of IE8 is made available.
> > >
> > > If you're already getting a significant number of IE8 users (which is
> > > probably unlikely) then do as Rahul suggests and use the meta tag to force
> > > IE7 rendering mode.
> > >
> > > Hope that helps?
> > >
> > > Dave
> > > --
> > > http://www.dave-woods.co.uk
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > 2008/4/29 Rahul Gonsalves <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > >
> > > On 29-Apr-08, at 12:40 PM, Jens-Uwe Korff wrote:
> > > >
> > > >  we just did some testing of our sites in IE8 beta and got some
> > > > > ahhhs and
> > > > > ohhhs - not because of its standard compliance, rather because all
> > > > > sites
> > > > > seem to be broken: logos disappeared, elements misplaced, Google
> > > > > maps
> > > > > blown up, etc.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > Dare I say:
> > > > 
> > > >
> > > > Does that not give you enough time to fix the issues with the new
> > > > layout engine and then remove it/set it to content="IE=8"?
> > > >
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Re: [WSG] IE8 beta's a nightmare

[James Jeffery]

Microsoft should save themselves all the hassle and use the Geko engine.
There IE still gets shipped with
every version of Windows.

They have created a nice operating system for general users and by changing
their engine to an open source
one is not going to decrease sales in their O/S.

This isn't the end of the IE bugs. I can put my house on it there will be
more to come.

On Tue, Apr 29, 2008 at 9:04 AM, Sam Sherlock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> looks like another quagmire is about to open up;
>
> funny how I still feel that I am getting over ie6
>
> 2008/4/29 Dave Woods <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
> Don't fix or change anything in your site to be compatible with a beta
>> version.
>>
>> The beta version is available so that developers can report problems to
>> Microsoft so that any bugs can be fixed for the final release. By changing
>> your code now, you're likely to find that you'll need to change it again
>> when the final release of IE8 is made available.
>>
>> If you're already getting a significant number of IE8 users (which is
>> probably unlikely) then do as Rahul suggests and use the meta tag to force
>> IE7 rendering mode.
>>
>> Hope that helps?
>>
>> Dave
>> --
>> http://www.dave-woods.co.uk
>>
>>
>>
>> 2008/4/29 Rahul Gonsalves <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>>
>> On 29-Apr-08, at 12:40 PM, Jens-Uwe Korff wrote:
>>>
>>>  we just did some testing of our sites in IE8 beta and got some ahhhs and
 ohhhs - not because of its standard compliance, rather because all sites
 seem to be broken: logos disappeared, elements misplaced, Google maps
 blown up, etc.

>>>
>>> Dare I say:
>>> 
>>>
>>> Does that not give you enough time to fix the issues with the new layout
>>> engine and then remove it/set it to content="IE=8"?
>>>
>>> Or have I misunderstood how IE works? I frequently do.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>>  - Rahul.
>>>
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Re: [WSG] IE8 beta's a nightmare

[Sam Sherlock]

looks like another quagmire is about to open up;

funny how I still feel that I am getting over ie6

2008/4/29 Dave Woods <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> Don't fix or change anything in your site to be compatible with a beta
> version.
>
> The beta version is available so that developers can report problems to
> Microsoft so that any bugs can be fixed for the final release. By changing
> your code now, you're likely to find that you'll need to change it again
> when the final release of IE8 is made available.
>
> If you're already getting a significant number of IE8 users (which is
> probably unlikely) then do as Rahul suggests and use the meta tag to force
> IE7 rendering mode.
>
> Hope that helps?
>
> Dave
> --
> http://www.dave-woods.co.uk
>
>
>
> 2008/4/29 Rahul Gonsalves <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
> On 29-Apr-08, at 12:40 PM, Jens-Uwe Korff wrote:
> >
> >  we just did some testing of our sites in IE8 beta and got some ahhhs
> > > and
> > > ohhhs - not because of its standard compliance, rather because all
> > > sites
> > > seem to be broken: logos disappeared, elements misplaced, Google maps
> > > blown up, etc.
> > >
> >
> > Dare I say:
> > 
> >
> > Does that not give you enough time to fix the issues with the new layout
> > engine and then remove it/set it to content="IE=8"?
> >
> > Or have I misunderstood how IE works? I frequently do.
> >
> > Best,
> >  - Rahul.
> >
> >
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Re: [WSG] IE8 beta's a nightmare

[Dave Woods]

Don't fix or change anything in your site to be compatible with a beta
version.

The beta version is available so that developers can report problems to
Microsoft so that any bugs can be fixed for the final release. By changing
your code now, you're likely to find that you'll need to change it again
when the final release of IE8 is made available.

If you're already getting a significant number of IE8 users (which is
probably unlikely) then do as Rahul suggests and use the meta tag to force
IE7 rendering mode.

Hope that helps?

Dave
--
http://www.dave-woods.co.uk



2008/4/29 Rahul Gonsalves <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> On 29-Apr-08, at 12:40 PM, Jens-Uwe Korff wrote:
>
>  we just did some testing of our sites in IE8 beta and got some ahhhs and
> > ohhhs - not because of its standard compliance, rather because all sites
> > seem to be broken: logos disappeared, elements misplaced, Google maps
> > blown up, etc.
> >
>
> Dare I say:
> 
>
> Does that not give you enough time to fix the issues with the new layout
> engine and then remove it/set it to content="IE=8"?
>
> Or have I misunderstood how IE works? I frequently do.
>
> Best,
>  - Rahul.
>
>
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Re: [WSG] IE8 beta's a nightmare

[Rahul Gonsalves]

On 29-Apr-08, at 12:40 PM, Jens-Uwe Korff wrote:

we just did some testing of our sites in IE8 beta and got some ahhhs  
and
ohhhs - not because of its standard compliance, rather because all  
sites

seem to be broken: logos disappeared, elements misplaced, Google maps
blown up, etc.


Dare I say:


Does that not give you enough time to fix the issues with the new  
layout engine and then remove it/set it to content="IE=8"?


Or have I misunderstood how IE works? I frequently do.

Best,
 - Rahul.


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