[WSG] forum @ WSG? - [off topic]

2004-03-19 Thread scott villarosa
hi all, first post to this list - greetings to everyone. i'd just like to know if there are any plans for a forum on WSG? i bet it's been thought of, but i just thought i'd mention it. cheers, scott == Scott Villarosa === Lortie feu faccumm loreetuercin et lor sequi blandiam.

Re: [WSG] forum @ WSG? - [off topic] (Out of Office)

2004-03-19 Thread Sarah Adams
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RE: [WSG] forum @ WSG?c]

2004-03-19 Thread Peter Firminger
Hi Scott, Not off topic at all. We're right in the middle of a planning stage for WSG and will be making some announcements soon. Yes we have discussed a forum, but have agreed that it will not fulfil the purpose as questions won't get answered with the same speed. I am on many fora and only ever

RE: [WSG] forum @ WSG?]

2004-03-19 Thread scott villarosa
hi peter, thanks for the reply. yeah, that makes sense to me. you guys obviously know what's best, and that's a good thing. thanks for the prompt reply. scott == Scott Villarosa === Lortie feu faccumm loreetuercin et lor sequi blandiam. Hi Scott, Not off topic at all. We're rig

Re: [WSG] forum @ WSG? - [off topic]

2004-03-19 Thread Lorenzo Gabba | Quirk
On Friday 19 March 2004 10:48, scott villarosa wrote: > first post to this list - greetings to everyone. i'd just like to know if > there are any plans for a forum on WSG? i bet it's been thought of, but i > just thought i'd mention it. http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ Not exactly

Re: [WSG] Relative font sizes - resizing in IE

2004-03-19 Thread Charles Eaton
On Thursday, March 18, 2004, at 10:32 PM, Felix Miata wrote: Charles Eaton wrote: http://www.eatons.net/test/IE-S.html All that proves is the size of a point varies with DPI. 12pt is twice as big at 144 DPI as at 72 DPI. On my sisters 192 DPI system, 12pt is quite big. 12pt may or may not be

Re: [WSG] css from photoshop file?

2004-03-19 Thread Jeremy Flint
I always start my designs with a photoshop concept, keeping in mind the limitations of the medium. Whether your using tables or CSS, there are always limitations if you want a site that is not one big image map. One thing I have started doing when designing concepts is that instead of using the

Re: [WSG] Relative font sizes - resizing in IE

2004-03-19 Thread Charles Eaton
Not only was I corrected, but I have corrected the page as well. http://www.eatons.net/test/IE-S.html = On Friday, March 19, 2004, at 06:02 AM, Charles Eaton wrote: On Thursday, March 18, 2004, at 10:32 PM, Felix Miata wrote: Charles Eaton

Re: [WSG] forum @ WSG?c]

2004-03-19 Thread Robert Moser
Peter Firminger blurted out: Tim mentioned an NNTP (news) in the last 24 hours but this is not likely to happen I'm afraid. Integrating the list and an nntp server isn't that simple (with the server software I have available) and the list is (and will remain) the primary method of active communicat

[WSG] Some links for reading...

2004-03-19 Thread russ weakley
Hi-Fi Design with CSS - Douglas Bowman: http://www.stopdesign.com/present/sxsw2004/hifi/ Hi-Fi Design with CSS - Dave Shea: http://www.mezzoblue.com/archives/2004/03/18/hifi_design_/ CSS: The Good, the Bad, & the Ugly: http://www.stopdesign.com/present/sxsw2004/goodbad/ Accessible Tabs With CSS:

RE: [WSG] Just got an eMac - now I'm more confused than ever!

2004-03-19 Thread Peters Micheal A Contr GSI/SCBN
I stumbled across this one just the other day. Kudos the John for writing it... SHAME on MS for the fact it needed to be written... Aren't they on the same board that approves all these standards? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Charles Ea

Re: [WSG] Some links for reading...

2004-03-19 Thread Anton Andreasson
CSS: The Good, the Bad, & the Ugly: http://www.stopdesign.com/present/sxsw2004/goodbad/ Well, I still think this method rocks: http://levin.grundeis.net/files/20031217/test.html (found at: http://levin.grundeis.net/files/20031203/ir.html) cheers, /Anton -- What your lacks, your compensates. ***

RE: [WSG] Purpose of this mailing list

2004-03-19 Thread Peters Micheal A Contr GSI/SCBN
Don't worry, as a newbie here and to a lot of the standards, I should bring the bar down a few pegs when my response to an answer is simple "Huh?" BTW guess it's time I said hi, instead of lurking like I have been for the past week. I've recently come over here from CSS-F list, which I was only

Re: [WSG] Purpose of this mailing list

2004-03-19 Thread russ weakley
Hi Peters, Welcome to the list. That is one of our aims here - to keep it informative but also as friendly as possible. We have designers and developers with a very wide range of skills and skill levels. But we are all in the same web standards boat :) The best quote on friendly attitude would h

[WSG] Why deprecate FIRc ?

2004-03-19 Thread Manuel González Noriega
In the 'it's better to ask and seem a fool for a minute...' spirit. http://www.stopdesign.com/present/sxsw2004/goodbad/?no=6 I've read Doug Bowman deprecation of FIR techniques and while i can agree in the failure of both traditional FIR and the 'text-indent' variant, I cannot see the point in re

Re: [WSG] forum @ WSG?

2004-03-19 Thread Tim Lucas
Peter Firminger spoke the following wise words on 19/03/2004 9:15PM EST: Tim mentioned an NNTP (news) in the last 24 hours but this is not likely to happen I'm afraid. Integrating the list and an nntp server isn't that simple (with the server software I have available) and the list is (and will rem

Re: [WSG] Some links for reading...

2004-03-19 Thread Leo J. O'Campo
Russ Wow what a great set of links... Thanks for supplying me with tonight reading. Douglas Bowman can really cook... I hope some of his stuff will rub off on me. Leo * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstan

Re: [WSG] A rave about 's

2004-03-19 Thread Tonico Strasser
Gyrus wrote: - In a sense, a H1 in a web page signals the start of a new "document", or independent "section" of the page. Just for the record: So, is it legal to use more then one H1 on a page? If your answer is no, I wo

Re: [WSG] css from photoshop file?

2004-03-19 Thread Ian Lloyd
On 19 Mar 2004, at 09:52, Mark Stanton wrote: Tip #1 - make sure the psd files come from a designer that understands CSS. Good luck, there aren't many of them ;-) Ian Lloyd ~ WEB: http://www.ian-lloyd.com/ | AIM: uklloydi Round-the-World trip blog: http://ianand

Re: [WSG] css from photoshop file?

2004-03-19 Thread Ian Lloyd
On 19 Mar 2004, at 10:18, Mike Brown wrote: Off the top of my head, some things you may need to sort out with the designer: :: is it a fluid or fixed-width layout? :: do you use fonts or images for navigation? :: do elements on the page have to be exactly the pixels apart shown in the design, or d

Re: [WSG] Next Sydney meeting - a fantastic guest presenter

2004-03-19 Thread Ian Lloyd
On 19 Mar 2004, at 00:43, russ weakley wrote: The next Sydney meeting has been moved back from the 8th to the 15th April to avoid the Easter long weekend. If I'm still in Sidders, I'll come along, but I think I'll be somewhere near Melbourne or NZ by then :-( I mean, for missing the meeting ot

Re: [WSG] A rave about 's

2004-03-19 Thread Ian Lloyd
On 19 Mar 2004, at 01:24, Jeremy Flint wrote: I do believe that he said "officially", not really speaking for himself, but for the CSS community that supported that method as a whole. It was just a turn of phrase - using the language of specs and such like (and yes he did say those exact words),

Re: [WSG] dreamweaver

2004-03-19 Thread Ian Lloyd
On 18 Mar 2004, at 09:41, Jeremy Flint wrote: how many are successfully using the WYSIWYG on a consistent basis and doing standards compliant work? Sooner or later, you have to get into the code. I have used DWMX for a long time and managed to keep standards up to par, but mainly because I have

Re: [OT] Re: [WSG] FIR "deprecated" [WAS: A rave about 's]

2004-03-19 Thread Ian Lloyd
On 19 Mar 2004, at 07:37, Jeremy Flint wrote: Read Dave Shea's summary of the CSS: Good/Bad/Ugly panel. he also wrote that Doug Bowman officially depricated FIR. It's funny that it can be officially depricated in this manner - I was in the panel at the time and though: "My God! I wonder how many

RE: [WSG] A rave about 's

2004-03-19 Thread Peter Firminger
Yes it's quite legal but it's semantically poor. This is what information architecture is all about. > h1 (logo, slogan, navigation, search etc.) > h1 > h1 > h1 > > That is the structure I would like to use. Any thoughts? Does the title of a book have the same semantic meaning as a chapter ti

Re: [WSG] A rave about 's

2004-03-19 Thread James Ellis
Hi My thinking is that hN delineates headings of the same semantic weight (or groups content), be they styled by CSS like or or not*: Solar System bodies Planets Mercury .. Venus .. Planetoids Pluto .. Sedna .. Quaor .. The difference being that h1 is the highest level of the headings in a

[WSG] Opera market share

2004-03-19 Thread Hugh Todd
Now that it seems Opera is back in town for the Mac, with its 7.5 beta, has anyone come across any more current info on stats for this browser? Perhaps this is a topic that has been done to death. I've just looked back on the list and found that Peter Firminger noted a while back what I have ju

Re: [WSG] Opera market share

2004-03-19 Thread russ weakley
Hugh, I don't mean to jump on this comment, so apologies if take out of context, but the aim is to code for standards first, then deal with individual browser issues as they come up. We should not need to "code for Opera". While they all have slight idiosyncrasies, recent versions of browsers su

Re: [WSG] Opera market share

2004-03-19 Thread Hugh Todd
Russ, Quite right. I'm afraid I didn't put the question very well. All I was trying to get at was an idea of whether it was worth putting in the work to fix any Opera idiosyncracies, if there still are any. That said, my guess would be that while the aim is to code in a standards-compliant way

Re: [WSG] Opera market share

2004-03-19 Thread Leo J. O'Campo
Hugh Russ is right. Standards based design done visually or not will save you time and headaches. Besides, Opera 7.5 is still beta so why should you even care about it yet. The current Opera doesn't rendered well on the Mac and I suspect the new Opera won't be any better. IMHO you should s

Re: [WSG] Opera market share

2004-03-19 Thread russ weakley
> That said, my guess would be that while the aim is to code in a That's cool. I do running checks across 12 browsers ever time I am laying out a page. Code a section, check all browsers, code a section... :) Russ > standards-compliant way, *in practice* what tends to happen (for me, > anyway)

[WSG]

2004-03-19 Thread Kerry Haglund
In the green horizontal navigation (Agencies, Developers, Architects, Financiers, Homeowners) I am not getting a white vertical border between elements and am getting a dark green bottom border that should not be there. This problem only seems to be occurring on the PC (XP IE version 6.0) and dis