Re: [WSG] Looking for help and critiques on a new site

2004-06-29 Thread Ben Bishop
The final problem is when I try and validate the page. Everything validates, except the JavaScript for the menus. Now, this JavaScript is taken directly from the Son of Suckerfish so I was surprised to find that it was coming Hi Seona, Quick (but proper) fix for the JS validation, start with:

Re: [WSG] Web Design Price Web Design Development - Document

2004-06-29 Thread Ben Bishop
On Tue, 29 Jun 2004 06:51:39 +0100 (BST), Viking Karwur [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I need your information about web design price and web design/dev document... Viking, I don't think you will find such off-topic information on a mailing list devoted to Web Standards - certainly not from the

[WSG] Horizontal List problem in IE

2004-06-29 Thread JW
Hi I am having problem with my horizontal list IE as 'Child A-D li' is showing at the bottom of 'Daddy li'. It looks fine in Firefox and Opera 7. They are all floated to the left in a straight line. ul liDaddy raquo;/li ul lia href=#Child A/anbsp; |/li lia href=# Child

Re: [WSG] Horizontal List problem in IE

2004-06-29 Thread Nick Gleitzman
Hard to tell exactly without seeing full context (a link is better than a code extract), but why not do this and avoid the nested list: ul liDaddy raquo;/li li/li lia href=#Child A/anbsp; |/li lia href=# Child B/anbsp; |/li lia href=# Child C/anbsp; |/li lia href=# Child D/anbsp; |/li /ul Nick

RE: [WSG] Horizontal List problem in IE

2004-06-29 Thread JW
Here is the demo link: http://design.sodesires.com/kimberley/collections/set/index.html IE 5-6 PC is not showing it the way I want :P why not do this and avoid the nested list If I do not use nested list, the document structure would be like: * Daddy * Child A * Child B * Child C * Child

[WSG] 508??

2004-06-29 Thread Lee Roberts
Would someone please explain why the WSG thinks Section 508 is what should be used? Thanks, Lee Roberts * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to

Re: [WSG] 508??

2004-06-29 Thread Tim Lucas
Lee Roberts spoke the following wise words on 29/06/2004 11:43 PM EST: Would someone please explain why the WSG thinks Section 508 is what should be used? Sure, if you explain what on earth you're talking about. -- tim * The discussion list for

Re: [WSG] Horizontal List problem in IE

2004-06-29 Thread Ben Bishop
Hi Jaime, To correctly nest one list within another, open the new list before closing it's parent li example: ul liParent ul liChild/li /ul /li /ul You might look through the list archives for James Ellis' posts detailing display differences between browsers due to whitespace

Re: [WSG] 508??

2004-06-29 Thread t94xr.net.nz webmaster
Sure, if you explain what on earth you're talking about. -- tim 508 is this, http://www.contentquality.com/mynewtester/cynthia.exe?rptmode=-1runcr=1url1=http://www.t94xr.net.nz/ Conformance to web accessability standards produced by the W3C. Basically those ponts there tell you wats required for

Re: [WSG] Looking for help and critiques on a new site

2004-06-29 Thread ckimedia
Hi, You could also try linking to the js file. C On Monday, June 28, 2004, at 11:19 PM, Ben Bishop wrote: The final problem is when I try and validate the page. Everything validates, except the JavaScript for the menus. Now, this JavaScript is taken directly from the Son of Suckerfish so I was

RE: [WSG] Horizontal List problem in IE

2004-06-29 Thread JW
Thanks I'll look into it. Best Wishes, Jaime ... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ben Bishop Sent: Tuesday, 29 June 2004 10:23 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [WSG] Horizontal List problem in IE Hi Jaime, To correctly nest

[WSG] Unclickable link in Opera 7

2004-06-29 Thread JW
Opera 7 refuses to make one particular link clickable: http://design.sodesires.com/kimberley/about/products/index.html The navigation Finishing is not clickable in Opera 7: Timber Species | Fittings | Finishing I guess that maybe the logo span is the culprit: #logo

RE: [WSG] Unclickable link in Opera 7

2004-06-29 Thread JW
I fixed the problem :) I hope For some reason, a float: right in Opera makes it think that the height is truly 100% so it covers the link and make it non-clickable. I fixed it by changing float right to margin left: #logo {width: 130px; height: 61px; position: relative;

RE: [WSG] 508??

2004-06-29 Thread Willemot Michaël
Would someone please explain why the WSG thinks Section 508 is what should be used? Don't know what you're talking about, but http://www.google.com/search?q=section+508 gives: http://www.section508.gov/ Might be what you're looking for. -- Willemot Michaël http://www.sotto.be

RE: [WSG] 508??

2004-06-29 Thread Lee Roberts
Well, seems we got the thread going at least. Section 508 is a lame attempt to meet accessibility needs. If you look at what's going on around the world - England, Italy, European Union, Australia and other countries - you'll see it's lame. Section 508 picked and chose which elements they

Re: [WSG] 508??

2004-06-29 Thread ckimedia
Hi, Are these expanded rules mentioned available to the public? C On Tuesday, June 29, 2004, at 09:49 AM, Lee Roberts wrote: Even on the Oklahoma Electronic and Information Technology Accessibility Task Force, which I'm a member, we took Section 508 as our base rules and advanced beyond it.

[WSG] reproducing valign=bottom

2004-06-29 Thread Scott Reston
After combing the WSG archives, my Eric M on CSS books and google-at-large, I'm stumped. Is there a reliable way to reproduce within a div what valign=bottom does for table cells? text-align: bottom adjusts an element inline with respect to the items adjacent to it... i've tried:

Re: [WSG] 508??

2004-06-29 Thread t94xr.net.nz webmaster
Sure, if you explain what on earth you're talking about. -- tim 508 is this, http://www.contentquality.com/mynewtester/cynthia.exe?rptmode=-1runcr=1url1=http://www.t94xr.net.nz/ Conformance to web accessability standards produced by the W3C. Basically those ponts there tell you wats required for

Re: [WSG] 508??

2004-06-29 Thread J Rodgers
Perhaps one of the biggest problems with accessibility is the lack of affordable assistive technologies (AT)? I think W3 complaint code mixed with some decent features should be all that is required on the developers end. The government would be better off spending more time and resources on

Re: [WSG] reproducing valign=bottom

2004-06-29 Thread Chris Stratford
I havn't ever used this, but i know there are ways to set items to behave like tables. You probably will want to set the div to behave like a table cell... http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-CSS2/tables.html check that out. I am reading it now to see if it will help... Sorry if it doesnt! Scott Reston

RE: [WSG] 508??

2004-06-29 Thread Lee Roberts
Longdesc points to another file with the longer description. It is not to be used as a place for a long sentence. Therefore this is incorrect: img src=http://www.t94xr.net.nz/private/slingshot.jpg; alt= longdesc=An image that shows that i have downloaded 2.4GB on 56k dialup in a month. /

RE: [WSG] 508??

2004-06-29 Thread Lee Roberts
I will agree that JAWS is an over-priced piece of software. IBM HomePage Reader is much more reasonable. But, then again Lynx with voice would be good as well. Have you looked at the other assistive technologies available? England and the other countries requiring accessible web sites state

[WSG] 100% Inaccessible

2004-06-29 Thread Chris Stratford
I know this is OT. But I have had it up to here (**motions towards my ceiling**) with websites that dont even load in other browsers... I just send www.ebooking.com.au a very vivid email about how their website is TERRIBLY INACCESSIBLE... Try and load it in any other browser than IE... AFAIK

[WSG] What do browsers download?

2004-06-29 Thread John Horner
I thought the list might be interested in some research I recently did. First of all, I was creating a web page size checker in Perl. This fetches the page, then any associated images, and adds the size of them. So far, so HTML 3.2. But these days of course it has to fetch the associated CSS

Re: [WSG] What do browsers download?

2004-06-29 Thread Tim Lucas
John Horner spoke the following wise words on 30/06/2004 10:01 AM EST: But these days of course it has to fetch the associated CSS files and add them -- but wait, there's more, as they say, it should also fetch any images called by the style sheet and add them to the total. Which is when the

Re: [WSG] reproducing valign=bottom [Virus checkedAU]

2004-06-29 Thread Mark . Lynch
This email is to be read subject to the disclaimer below. Hi Scott, After looking at this I was surprised that it isn't an easier than this - I've only tested this on IE6 and Firefox 0.9 To get this effect I've used the fact that position relative creates a new containing block for the

Re: [WSG] What do browsers download?

2004-06-29 Thread Nick Gleitzman
On Wednesday, June 30, 2004, at 10:43 AM, Tim Lucas wrote: I know that for Gecko based browsers background images defined in stylesheets (inline or linked) are deferred from loading until they are asked to display themselves. This also helps because many style sheet rules containing images

Re: [WSG] 100% Inaccessible

2004-06-29 Thread Shane Helm
Rant rave all you want Chris. I grow weary of lazy programmers that don't give me thought to overall design. I got your back. Shane Helm Sonze On Jun 29, 2004, at 5:53 PM, Chris Stratford wrote: I know this is OT. But I have had it up to here (**motions towards my ceiling**) with websites

RE: [WSG] 508??

2004-06-29 Thread Lee Roberts
The standards are available at these locations. Missouri: http://www.dolir.state.mo.us/matp/ITAccessibilityStatute.htm Illinois: http://www.illinois.gov/iwas/standards/iwasStandards.cfm I hope this helps. Sincerely, Lee Roberts -Original Message- From: ckimedia [mailto:[EMAIL

RE: [WSG] 100% Inaccessible

2004-06-29 Thread Michael Kear
I guess Im learning something about design after all! I looked at that e-booking site and decided it looks frankly .. old fashioned in web terms. Meaning its looking S 2001 now. I have a friend in the games business, and I looked at his site yesterday and it looked very 1990s to me.

Re: [WSG] What do browsers download?

2004-06-29 Thread John Horner
In contrast, I've noticed that images called by css files (as div backgrounds) *all* download in IE and Safari on Mac (not sure about IEWin) That's interesting. My research found that only IE on Mac has this problem, that is, it downloads and caches all the images referenced in a stylesheet,

Re: [WSG] What do browsers download?

2004-06-29 Thread James Ellis
John Whenever I've been forced to test IE5 Mac I've found it to be unreasonably slow - the rendering engine is a dud compared to other browsers. I'm sure it was cutting edge 3-5 years ago but not now. Safari is much faster and better but it tends to have a pretty fierce cache (like Opera), as I

Re: [WSG] 508??

2004-06-29 Thread ckimedia
Hi, Looking forward to the enhanced view. Thanks for the timely reply. C On Tuesday, June 29, 2004, at 07:32 PM, Lee Roberts wrote: The standards are available at these locations. Missouri: http://www.dolir.state.mo.us/matp/ITAccessibilityStatute.htm Illinois:

[WSG] Out of Office AutoReply: digest for wsg@webstandardsgroup.org

2004-06-29 Thread Cline, Lezli
I will be out of the office on Wednesday, 6-30-04, attending a planning meeting to better serve you. I will return to the office on 7-1-04. Thank you, Lezli Cline * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See

Re: [WSG] What do browsers download?

2004-06-29 Thread John Horner
You mention an ABC internal standard of less than 60kb filesize. How does this work with dynamic pages? There are relatively few dynamic pages on the ABC website, so it doesn't often come up, but of course I'd expect things like search results to be arranged using some sort of paging, with