Re: [WSG] link rel not working. @import ok!

2004-12-15 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Brett Walsh wrote:: I thought there might be a restriction on the number of sheets allowed. Is there? The number of stylesheets is obviously not the problem in your case, but maybe someone like to know... Don't know of any standard limit, but I tested it a while back. - 50 link rel= / no problem

Re: [WSG] Float problem (perhaps) in IE 5 on www.mccn.org.au

2004-12-15 Thread Nick Lo
Hi Gunlaug, That was pretty well it. Note in your example the width is applied to the ul#subscribe li a which when taken literally was pretty silly and IE 5 took it literally; widening just the link in the ul to 285px. All I needed to do was move that width setting to the ul and the column is

Re: [WSG] Length of ALT attribute

2004-12-15 Thread XStandard
Hi Anura, According to WCAG20, the ALT text for English should be less than 100 characters. Here is the link: http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/WCAG20/tests/test3.html If memory serves me right, for Section 508, the limit is 80 characters. Regards, -Vlad http://xstandard.com Standards-compliant XHTML

[WSG] Standards Macromedia Contribute

2004-12-15 Thread Sam Hutchinson
Anyone out there got any experience of adding a fully devised compliant template to Contribute to let the content owners manage their own pages ? Is it simply a case of defining the editable regions or should you build the site and then define the content that can be changed? Was planning on

Re: [WSG] Standards Macromedia Contribute

2004-12-15 Thread david
Hi Sam Whilsts not completely off-topic, this is relevant: It depends on the complexity of the CSS code for layout Macromedia's Contribute uses the same page-render engine as Dreamweaver, and we all know what that's like to work with ;) Well, provided your design doesn't use floats, different

Re: [WSG] pop quiz: calculating specificity of group selectors

2004-12-15 Thread Jeroen Visser [ vizi ]
John Allsopp wrote: OK, thanks for all the answers, I buy them :-) That would be four cents then, please. Anything else? ;-) Jeroen Visser -- vizi fotografie grafisch ontwerp - http://www.vizi.nl/ ** The discussion list for

Re: [WSG] Standards Macromedia Contribute

2004-12-15 Thread standards
Hi All, I just launched a site for a client that is database driven and uses an external style sheet site to control the site's design. I granted my client permission to update only the content using Contribute for certain interior pages, which won't effect the page's layout. Also, I must admit

Re: [WSG] Modular XHTML with iFrames, eh?

2004-12-15 Thread Pascal Schmitt
Hallo! From about 10 minutes worth of internet research and Googling, one can come to the conclusion that despite the iframe tag being depreciated (read: invalid), you can quite easily bring back the functionality with the object tag Well, we all know that said method simply doesn't work :) (Once

Re: [WSG] Standards Macromedia Contribute

2004-12-15 Thread Kevin Futter
On 16/12/04 3:04 AM, david [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Sam Whilsts not completely off-topic, this is relevant: It depends on the complexity of the CSS code for layout Macromedia's Contribute uses the same page-render engine as Dreamweaver, and we all know what that's like to work with

Re: [WSG] Modular XHTML with iFrames, eh?

2004-12-15 Thread mike . lindsay
Return Receipt Your Re: [WSG] Modular XHTML with iFrames, eh? document :

Re: [WSG] Standards Macromedia Contribute

2004-12-15 Thread Kornel Lesinski
On the Mac, Contribute uses the same (system-level) rendering engine as Safari, which means you should not get any nasty surprises with the layout. Are you sure? Some time ago there was a deal between Macromedia and Opera: http://www.opera.com/pressreleases/en/2002/07/20020702.dml (oh, and

Re: [WSG] Visual rendering in gecko with app/xhtml

2004-12-15 Thread Lindsay Evans
Your two example pages look identical to me. Running Firefox 1.0 on Windows XP On Thu, 16 Dec 2004 00:18:49 +0100, JohnyB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It looks that the body style is applied only to the content area, not to the whole viewport, as it used to. It can be solved by styling html

[WSG] using IE7 script

2004-12-15 Thread Andreas Boehmer
Hi guys, I was just wondering whether any of you have used the Dean Edwards Javascript for IE7 (http://dean.edwards.name/ie7) and what the general opinion on it is? To be honest I am bit hesitant to use it, as I don't want to rely on my users having javascript turned on, but I guess the worst

Re: [WSG] Standards Macromedia Contribute

2004-12-15 Thread Natalie Buxton
yes but your second link is re-adobe on apple and the first is only for Macromedia products on the Mac also: Opera and Macromedia will work together to develop and maintain an application programming interface (API) for an embedded browser on the Mac platform, enabling further technical

Re: [WSG] Visual rendering in gecko with app/xhtml

2004-12-15 Thread Rene Saarsoo
On Thu, 16 Dec 2004 10:40:49 +1100, Lindsay Evans [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Your two example pages look identical to me. Running Firefox 1.0 on Windows XP No difference in my Linux version of Firefox 1.0 too... ** The discussion list for

Re: [WSG] Visual rendering in gecko with app/xhtml

2004-12-15 Thread JohnyB
Your two example pages look identical to me. Running Firefox 1.0 on Windows XP Sorry, my fault... Now it should be OK. (You've seen another interesting fact - if html element has an attached bg, body always shrinks to fit only the content) -- Jan Brasna :: alphanumeric.cz | webcore.cz |

Re: [WSG] using IE7 script

2004-12-15 Thread David R
I've used IE7 a few times, but mainly just for enabling the :hover psuedo-class on elements other than anchors. I don't really have much of an opinion on it, considering that its stil in Beta (0.7 last time I checked). But as soon as the script supports more exotic CSS, such as attribute

Re: [WSG] Visual rendering in gecko with app/xhtml

2004-12-15 Thread JohnyB
difference between HTML and XHTML. This is usually referred to as BODY not being magical anymore, and it's expected behaviour. OK, thank you for information, I found it mentioned also in http://www.mozilla.org/docs/web-developer/faq.html#xhtmldiff - new feature to me, so I just wanted to find

Re: [WSG] Visual rendering in gecko with app/xhtml

2004-12-15 Thread Terrence Wood
The behaviour is correct, although my following eplanation may not be =-). In xml body is just another tag -- the root element is html. When sent as html the body tag is the root element. So when sending xml you need to apply styles to html to style the entire viewport. Terrence Wood. On

Re: [WSG] using IE7 script

2004-12-15 Thread Kevin Futter
On 16/12/04 10:50 AM, Natalie Buxton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I wouldn't even be relying on my users having IE7, let alone JS being on or off. Hi Natalie, Andreas is not referring to MS's official IE7 here, but an extensive JavaScript solution (confusingly called IE7) that attempts to make

Re: [WSG] Visual rendering in gecko with app/xhtml

2004-12-15 Thread JohnyB
need to apply styles to html to style the entire viewport. Well, actually this behavior is also somehow magic :) - html is just another element and is not connected to the viewport... So it might someday be threated the same as now the body is :) // Yes, I agree this behavior is alright and I

Re: [WSG] using IE7 script

2004-12-15 Thread Natalie Buxton
I Know - I think everyone missed my second post that states as much :) From: Natalie Buxton [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 10:54:13 +1100 Subject: Re: [WSG] using IE7 script Oh Hang on, I just read the MS forum on the issue. IE7 isn't

Re: [WSG] Standards Macromedia Contribute

2004-12-15 Thread J Rodgers
I can say with 99% certainty the rendering is not IE nor Safari it is Macromedia's own rendering engine. In C3 when you browse web pages you get Safari or IE but when you click edit it flips to MM's own rendering engine. C3 was an improved rendering engine over Dreamweaver MX 2004 and the upgrade

Re: [WSG] using IE7 script

2004-12-15 Thread Natalie Buxton
I wouldn't even be relying on my users having IE7, let alone JS being on or off. On Wed, 15 Dec 2004 15:41:50 -0800, Andreas Boehmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi guys, I was just wondering whether any of you have used the Dean Edwards Javascript for IE7 (http://dean.edwards.name/ie7) and

Re: [WSG] using IE7 script

2004-12-15 Thread Kevin Futter
On 16/12/04 11:16 AM, Natalie Buxton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I Know - I think everyone missed my second post that states as much :) Actually, a little bit OT, but I often receive posts out of order or out of sync, so my post actually went off long before your second post arrived. I think this

Re: [WSG] x-browser javascript: is this OT?

2004-12-15 Thread Paul Connolley
On 14 Dec 2004, at 23:10, Barry Beattie wrote: we're building a large web app where JS is vital to make it work. Things like modal windows, tabbed data entry forms, RPC data exchange with xmlhttprequest, xml manip within the page, etc. [snip] Trying to run it on NN4, PDA's and mobile devices just

[WSG] formatting the a tag

2004-12-15 Thread Helen . Rysavy
Hi Can anyone tell me why when using classes sometimes I can style the a by itself (e.g. .myclass a) and other times this doesn't work and I have to style a:link (i.e. .myclass a:link) Any pointers would be appreciated. Thanks Helen *** Helen Rysavy

Re: [WSG] Dreamweaver : was [ Standards Macromedia Contribute]

2004-12-15 Thread Terrence Wood
isn't the DWMX editor essentially homesite anyway? I'm a mac user so I've never seen or used homesite. Terrence Wood. On 2004-12-16 2:39 PM, heretic wrote: Realistically... we probably could have stuck with HomeSite :) -- You know you've achieved perfection in design, not when you have nothing

Re: [WSG] formatting the a tag

2004-12-15 Thread Natalie Buxton
a:link is for a href a is for a mailto or a id or similar. a:link only applies if there is an href within the a. On Thu, 16 Dec 2004 12:02:10 +0930, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Can anyone tell me why when using classes sometimes I can style the a by itself (e.g. .myclass

Re: [WSG] Dreamweaver : was [ Standards Macromedia Contribute]

2004-12-15 Thread James Ellis
Hi all This is a good discussion, lets try and keep it on how to apply the mentioned software to create standards compliant content rather than a rundown of its various features and comparison to other software. Cheers James admin On Thu, 16 Dec 2004 13:41:42 +1100, Natalie Buxton

Re: [WSG] formatting the a tag

2004-12-15 Thread russ - maxdesign
Start at the beginning. If you want to style every a element on the page, you can do: a:link { color: red;} If you want to style a particular link, you can do it using a direct id or class applied within a link like this: HTML - a class=foo href=#text/a CSS - a:link.foo { color: green;} Or

Re: [WSG] formatting the a tag

2004-12-15 Thread Patrick H. Lauke
russ - maxdesign wrote: If you want to style a particular link, you can do it using a direct id or class applied within a link like this: HTML - a class=foo href=#text/a CSS - a:link.foo { color: green;} Although the above CSS seems to work, I believe that the more correct form for this selector

[WSG] Cross browser background-position

2004-12-15 Thread Jonathan T. Sage
Alright, so, I am out of ideas... page : http://apathy.jtsage.com/ css: http://apathy.jtsage.com/wp-layout.css is there any way that the effect achieved in firefox / mozilla can be achieved in IE/Win as well? (that of the multiple background images with the one under the content div being

Re: [WSG] formatting the a tag

2004-12-15 Thread russ - maxdesign
Although the above CSS seems to work, I believe that the more correct form for this selector is a.foo:link Quite correct! Written in a hurry. My apologies Russ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See

Re: [WSG] Cross browser background-position

2004-12-15 Thread Charles Martin
Jonathan T. Sage wrote: My problem is that IE/Win does not support background-position: fixed in the same way that gecko does (or at all maybe?) not sure which browser 'get's it right' here, but the desired effect is the one in firefox. Actually, you were referring to: background-attachment:

Re: [WSG] Cross browser background-position

2004-12-15 Thread Kevin Futter
On 16/12/04 2:29 PM, Jonathan T. Sage [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Alright, so, I am out of ideas... page : http://apathy.jtsage.com/ css: http://apathy.jtsage.com/wp-layout.css is there any way that the effect achieved in firefox / mozilla can be achieved in IE/Win as well? (that of the

Re: [WSG] Cross browser background-position

2004-12-15 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Jonathan T. Sage wrote: Alright, so, I am out of ideas... ... My problem is that IE/Win does not support background-position: fixed in the same way that gecko does (or at all maybe?) not sure which browser 'get's it right' here, but the desired effect is the one in firefox. anyway, would

Re: [WSG] formatting the a tag

2004-12-15 Thread John Horner
This may be too obvious to mention, but one reason why the formatting of a:link doesn't work might be that it's actually an a:visited and therefore *supposed* to be a different colour. The developers' toolbar in FireFox will reset all links for you (under Miscellaneous) so that you can at

Re: [WSG] Length of ALT attribute

2004-12-15 Thread Anura Samara
Thanks for that link, it makes interesting reading. There are two options for passing this requirement The ALT attribute value must be less than 100 characters for English text or the user must confirm that the Alt text is as short as possible. Well, I am trying to describe some complex images,

Re: [WSG] Cross browser background-position

2004-12-15 Thread Jonathan T. Sage
On Wed, 15 Dec 2004 21:46:55 -0600, Charles Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jonathan T. Sage wrote: My problem is that IE/Win does not support background-position: fixed in the same way that gecko does (or at all maybe?) not sure which browser 'get's it right' here, but the desired effect

Re: [WSG] Western Australian Government Website

2004-12-15 Thread Gary Menzel
Just to add into the conversation... the Queensland Government has done HEAPS in regarding to CUE across most (but still not quite) all. The best place to start is: http://www.qld.gov.au/departments/index.html You'll note that even when you move sites (which often means moving departments)

RE: [WSG] Western Australian Government Website

2004-12-15 Thread Nick Cowie
I went to do a search on public holidays (which I am compiling from all Government Websites) and being a proud WA girl, thought our site would be the best. Visit http://www.docep.wa.gov.au/lr/LabourRelations/Content/Wages%20and%20Conditions/Public%20Holidays/Public_Holidays.html for the

Re: [WSG] Western Australian Government Website

2004-12-15 Thread Natalie Buxton
Hi Nick Your site (docep) is fine, it's the main site that is a killer. It is completely un-accessible to say the least. I understand it hasn't been touched since 2001 - and that would certainly explain it. Regarding that link - that was another of my peeves. The average person isn't going to

Re: [WSG] Float problem (perhaps) in IE 5 on www.mccn.org.au

2004-12-15 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Nick Lo wrote: I've just released... http://www.mccn.org.au/ ...and realised a little late that some last minute tweaks (possibly) have thrown out the Stay Informed column on the home page in PC IE 5. Some stuff in there widens the column in IE5/win. For a start, take out (or hack) the width:

Re: [WSG] Webstandards for your iPod

2004-12-15 Thread Tom Livingston
Just installed this. Very cool. :-) Tom Livingston Senior Multimedia Artist mlinc.com russ - maxdesign wrote: Well, John and Maxine must have been busy... Westciv's Complete CSS Guide is now available as a free CSS podGuide for the iPod: http://www.westciv.com/news/podguide.html Interesting

[WSG] Modular XHTML with iFrames, eh?

2004-12-15 Thread david
From about 10 minutes worth of internet research and Googling, one can come to the conclusion that despite the iframe tag being depreciated (read: invalid), you can quite easily bring back the functionality with the object tag Well, we all know that said method simply doesn't work :) (Once

[WSG] Dreamweaver : was [ Standards Macromedia Contribute]

2004-12-15 Thread designer
Hi Mario and all, - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2004 7:45 PM Subject: Re: [WSG] Standards Macromedia Contribute Also, I must admit I'm growing rather weary of all the negative remarks about Dreamweaver. From my humble perspective I use

Re: [WSG] Standards Macromedia Contribute

2004-12-15 Thread J Rodgers
Sort of: http://pole.uwaterloo.ca/cpadev/engtest/index.html I am currently working on a template that keeps to KISS so not to drive some folks insane but can be maintained in C3. Just about to hit it with JAWS and the ilk. I have had a couple students that rely on JAWS try it out and they have

Re: [WSG] Standards Macromedia Contribute

2004-12-15 Thread Hugh Todd
On the Mac, Contribute uses the same (system-level) rendering engine as Safari, which means you should not get any nasty surprises with the layout. However, your client would have to have a Mac. :) -Hugh Todd On 16/12/2004, at 3:04 AM, david wrote: Macromedia's Contribute uses the same

Re: [WSG] Standards Macromedia Contribute

2004-12-15 Thread David R
Kevin Futter wrote: Actually, at a Macromedia seminar I attended last year, Bob Regan told us that the Contribute render engine was definitely NOT the same as Dreamweaver's My bad, I was thinking of Contribute 2 Still... there isn't a single renderer out there that is 100% standards compliant,

[WSG] Visual rendering in gecko with app/xhtml

2004-12-15 Thread JohnyB
Hi all, I've come across a weird thing - Gecko browsers in XHTML 1.1 with Content-Type: application/xhtml+xml render the visual style of the body element in a bit different way than without this header (so the SGML parser processes it differently than the XML parser). You can see it here -

Re: [WSG] Standards Macromedia Contribute

2004-12-15 Thread Hugh Todd
Kornel, Yes, I'm sure. http://www.macromedia.com/software/contribute/productinfo/features/ static_tour/mac/ On the Mac, Contribute uses the same (system-level) rendering engine as Safari, which means you should not get any nasty surprises with the layout. Are you sure? Some time ago there

Re: [WSG] Visual rendering in gecko with app/xhtml

2004-12-15 Thread Patrick H. Lauke
JohnyB wrote: I've come across a weird thing - Gecko browsers in XHTML 1.1 with Content-Type: application/xhtml+xml render the visual style of the body element in a bit different way than without this header [...] It looks that the body style is applied only to the content area, not to the

Re: [WSG] using IE7 script

2004-12-15 Thread Natalie Buxton
Oh Hang on, I just read the MS forum on the issue. IE7 isn't actually IE7, its a JS. My Badtrade; To quote: Re: Firefox Users IE 7 is coming In: microsoft.public.windowsxp.general As far as I can tell, this isn't an official new browser. It's merely the name of a JavaScript API that

Re: [WSG] Standards Macromedia Contribute

2004-12-15 Thread Hugh Todd
Kornel, Opera is the only browser I know that supports replacing elements with generated content and positioning of generated content. Safari supports this: http://weblogs.mozillazine.org/hyatt/archives/2003_12.html#004377 (see note 18). Dave Hyatt is the development leader on Safari. :) Hugh

Re: [WSG] Standards Macromedia Contribute

2004-12-15 Thread Kornel Lesinski
Are you sure? Some time ago there was a deal between Macromedia and Opera: http://www.opera.com/pressreleases/en/2002/07/20020702.dml (oh, and Apple: http://www.macminute.com/2003/09/30/opera) Not Apple. Adobe. oops. It was supposed to be and Adobe. Test it: body {content: It's Opera;} You

Re: [WSG] Dreamweaver : was [ Standards Macromedia Contribute]

2004-12-15 Thread heretic
Hi all (hmm, this would be a de-lurk..), Also, I must admit I'm growing rather weary of all the negative remarks about Dreamweaver. From my humble perspective I use Dreamweaver MX 2004 I must say I agree. As with all tools, you find out how best to use them and what (if any) downsides there

RE: [WSG] using IE7 script

2004-12-15 Thread Ryan Nichols
I did install it briefly to check it out. I think I found it to be slow? I didn't really investigate it. I also think it was an all or nothing solutions? Maybe it wasn't. I would like a version that I could scale to alow do a few small things like sibling selectors and such. I was thinking of

Re: [WSG] using IE7 script

2004-12-15 Thread Adrian Lynch
Andreas Boehmer wrote: Does anybody have prior experiences with it? We use it for all our sites, and have found it to be excellent. We only load it for IE, so other browsers are not forced to download it, and we have configure Apache to force the browsers to cache the javascript file, so it is

Re: [WSG] Dreamweaver : was [ Standards Macromedia Contribute]

2004-12-15 Thread Natalie Buxton
This is probably getting OT... The DW editor isn't much like homesite at all anymore. Many more advanced features. It is worth downloading the free demo and having a look using CODE VIEW. Lots of built in things I like - the Oreilly's pocket guides, the inbuilt validation controls and the

[WSG] Western Australian Government Website

2004-12-15 Thread Natalie Buxton
http://www.wa.gov.au/ Has anyone here been to this site recently? I went to do a search on public holidays (which I am compiling from all Government Websites) and being a proud WA girl, thought our site would be the best. Alas, I was wrong and it's killing me how poor it is in relation to

Re: [WSG] Western Australian Government Website

2004-12-15 Thread Kay Smoljak
On Thu, 16 Dec 2004 16:05:49 +1100, Natalie Buxton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip http://www.wa.gov.au/ snip Alas, I was wrong and it's killing me how poor it is in relation to standards, accessibility and usability. I know some of the people involved with upgrading the web sites for the entire