On Wed, 30 Mar 2005 19:45:20 +1200, Sigurd Magnusson
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Gah - we're well underway on a an XHTML 1.1 compliant site, and we've
eventually found that we need to do an IE hack--a real shame since
everything else was going so well. Can anyone see if there's a simple
Does anybody know why Bobby doesn't consider this structure valid
(WCAG 1.0 §10.5)?
dl
dtBlog/dt
dda href=#01/a/dd
dda href=#02/a/dd
dda href=#03/a/dd
/dl
It tells me that those links are not separated. But in a UL structure
they are! Why? Could it be because of the printed
On Wed, 30 Mar 2005 11:17:28 +0200, Piero Fissore
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Does anybody know why Bobby doesn't consider this structure valid
(WCAG 1.0 §10.5)?
dl
dtBlog/dt
dda href=#01/a/dd
dda href=#02/a/dd
dda href=#03/a/dd
/dl
It's a bug. I vaguely remember
Someone told me that it doesn't consider those links separated because
of the the printed point of the li element.
That someone says that in the guideline - at the point 10.5 - they
speak about separate adiacent links with PRINTED character: this is
true, but I can't believe that is a printed
I hear Hotmail, yahoo, and most web mails tend to strip head so you
need to use inline styles all the time, however, it's not entirely
true. I don't use inline styles on my e-mails and they work just fine.
I create HTML e-mails as full-blown table-based HTML pages with a style
block in the
Yes, they would wrap (as in not whitespace:pre). Using a line /
element isn't ideal, but might be my only resort
In a perfect world that supported css2 properly would this work?
?xml version=1.0 encoding=utf-8?
poem xmlns=http://some.name.space;
line id='1' /Class aptent taciti sociosqu
Hello everyone,
This is my first post to the group
I would be very grateful if someone could direct me to an existing
resource or article addressing the subject of how a validly-coded web
site can fail to be truly accessible. i.e. why valid code is not, in
itself, enough to guarantee
David Nicol wrote:
I would be very grateful if someone could direct me to an existing
resource or article addressing the subject of how a validly-coded web
site can fail to be truly accessible. i.e. why valid code is not, in
itself, enough to guarantee accessibility.
No article, but here's the
Hi David,
I am not aware of any articles but I can give you some examples. All examples
below will validate against one doctype or another but will produce less than
accessible markup:
1. Using tags incorrectly. For example, using blockquote to indent.
2. Using images incorrectly. For
We are building an Outline validator - similar to the Show Outline feature in
http://validator.w3.org/detailed.html The purpose of this Outline validator is
to help non-technical authors create better structured documents.
I have a question regarding the use of H1 headings. From the spec, it
Hi Kornel,
Thanks for the example. The W3C outline validator flags this example as missing
an H2 headings an puts Other Books under Beginning of another book.
Here is your example online:
http://xstandard.com/test1.htm
I think blockquote should create it's
own headingspace :)
Interesting
Hi,
What is the repercussion, if any, of having a div set to display: none
with content meant strictly for search engines.
ie.
div#searchInfo{
display: none;
}
div id=searchInfo
pblah/p
pblah/p
/div
This was proposed as a solution to having an index page/home page
populated with dynamic
You could get away with it and you could be blacklisted from being listed at
all. Personally, I'd rather go about it correctly than risk being
blacklisted.
- Original Message -
From: Chris Kennon [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 10:18 AM
Chris Kennon wrote:
What is the repercussion, if any, of having a div set to display: none
with content meant strictly for search engines.
If you're lucky your page will simply be demoted in the SERPs when you're
sussed; if you're unlucky your entire site will be blackballed from Google;
if
On Wed, 30 Mar 2005 18:18:37 +0100, Chris Kennon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
What is the repercussion, if any, of having a div set to display: none
with content meant strictly for search engines.
There is a chance that search engines discover that, consider it
cheating and lower ranking of your
Hi,
I think there has been a misunderstanding. This was asked of me by the
client as an alternative for:
add alternative content
(images, text) inside object element.
I had no idea this would be considered cheating, and posted the
question. Why and where can I read about this seemingly dubious
Is it acceptable to use display:none to hide text from all browsers but
NN4?
Because of the layout of one of my site's pages, it makes no sense as it
degrades unless I add an explanitory h1 and h2 that appear only in
NN4. I have them positioned way off screen [.ns4 and .special], but
intend
So you're using one practice to compensate for another bad practice...
If your site is entirely in Flash - well, too bad. It shouldn't be.
Well.
Flash actually is searchable. There's even a
search SDK for search engines. It's also
accessible, with tab order/indexing, etc.
If your site is
Chris Kennon wrote:
What is the repercussion, if any, of having a div set to display: none
with content meant strictly for search engines.
Strictly for search engines? Actually, non-flash content would be most
valuable for accessibility reasons to all users which don't have, or
can't use, flash
On Wed, 30 Mar 2005 17:57:07 +0200, Carlos Rincon Sanchez
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I've made a generator of fixed width, colored and any largest 3 columns
layout.
It is still in beta. It would be pleasant any suggestion or comment.
http://www.neuroticweb.com/recursos/3-columns-layout/
A
Hi Chris,
- Original Message -
From: Chris Kennon [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 7:54 PM
Subject: Re: [WSG] Hidden Content[This Was Not My Idea]
Hi,
I think there has been a misunderstanding. This was asked of me by the
client as an
What is the repercussion, if any, of having a div set to display:
none with content meant strictly for search engines.
Strictly for search engines? Actually, non-flash content would be most
valuable for accessibility reasons to all users which don't have, or
can't use, flash content. And
Patrick H. Lauke wrote:
Strictly for search engines? Actually, non-flash content would be most
valuable for accessibility reasons to all users which don't have, or
can't use, flash content. And there's the rub: most screenreaders
don't see any content that has been hidden via display:none
Hi,
Thanks for your enlightened reply. The right tool for the job, is my
thought. Developing on the MAC OS 10 side has a gap with the search
SDK. Any suggestions, as google returned null.
On Wednesday, March 30, 2005, at 10:56 AM, Tom Livingston wrote:
Well.
Flash actually is searchable.
Hi,
Thanks for your enlightened reply. The right
tool for the job, is my thought. Developing on
the MAC OS 10 side has a gap with the search
SDK. Any suggestions, as google returned null.
From the MM site:
http://www.macromedia.com/software/flash/download/search_engine/
I _think_ it is
On Wed, 30 Mar 2005 21:09:59 +0100, Tom Livingston
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
From the MM site:
http://www.macromedia.com/software/flash/download/search_engine/
I _think_ it is literally _for search engines_ as in the Google devs
would use/implement it. Sorry for any confusion this may have
On Wed, 30 Mar 2005 20:15:09 +0100, designer
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I think there has been a misunderstanding. This was asked of me by the
client as an alternative for:
add alternative content
(images, text) inside object element.
I had no idea this would be considered cheating, and posted
Thanks for replies on this. I've got this all go in CSS now so don't
need to apply !important in my script.
Don't have much choice re using !important as have to mix a few things -
inline height style on a block, DHTML height adjustments on this, then
CSS fixes for that IE 3-pixel jog all on the
I was recently asked by a recruiter:
Do you have experience with creating CSS/XHTML layouts from Use Cases?
I havent heard of any company who does use this method so if anyone on
the list does use it, I'd appreciate knowing how it is applied and what
benefits there are
thanks
--
Neerav Bhatt
Hi Darren
You can use a filter to show a style sheet only to ie5, it's pretty simple
and you only have to declare a few margins and paddings.
Look at the style sheet at http://www.csatravelprotection.com for an
example.
This is in the main style sheet:
/*\*//*/
@import url(ie5mac.css);
/**/
David wrote:
Check out this book:
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/073571150X/qid=1112225842/sr=8-1/ref=pd_csp_1/102-9707569-2762560?v=glances=booksn=507846
If the link breaks it's called Building Accessible Websites by Joe
Clark.
A company I recently started working for gave it to
Hi list,
I'm wondering if anyone knows what I have done to cause Opera 7 not to
render this page correctly.
http://e-lusion.com/design/greenmarinee/
http://e-lusion.com/design/greenmarinee/screen.css
It appears correct in Internet Explorer 6/5.5/5 and Gecko.
I'm searching for Opera bugs
Flash actually is searchable.
Hmm. Does it have to be a specific version of flash, built a specific
way? Just thinking of claims that flash is accessible, which
actually means flash mx can be accessible if the developer really
knows what they are doing; and the user knows how to use it, has the
Sometimes I think this web design game is more like a (neurotic) jigsaw
puzzle than an intelligent occupation :-)
*laughs* ... only sometimes? ;)
h
--
--- http://cheshrkat.blogspot.com/
--- The future has arrived; it's just not
--- evenly distributed. - William Gibson
Matthew Cruickshank wrote:
David Nicol wrote:
I would be very grateful if someone could direct me to an existing
resource or article addressing the subject of how a validly-coded web
site can fail to be truly accessible. i.e. why valid code is not, in
itself, enough to guarantee accessibility.
As stated by Jennifer the possible repercussion is the chance of being
blacklisted.
I think this technique would be regarded in the same vein as using small
text or text which is the same colour as the page background. Don't do it.
p.s. Some search engines do index flash content. ref:
Drake, Ted C. wrote:
Hi Darren
You can use a filter to show a style sheet only to ie5, it's pretty simple
and you only have to declare a few margins and paddings.
Look at the style sheet at http://www.csatravelprotection.com for an
example.
Thanks for that, Ted.
I've opted for conditional
Ian Main wrote:
I'm wondering if anyone knows what I have done to cause Opera 7 not to
render this page correctly.
http://e-lusion.com/design/greenmarinee/
body {padding: 0;}
...makes it look identical in Opera 7.54 and Firefox 1.0, at my end.
regards
Georg
--
http://www.gunlaug.no
Thanks Ben and Georg worked but now I have that dirty feeling all
over. Not nice.
Cheers guys.
Ian
http://www.e-lusion.com
Ian Main wrote:
I'm wondering if anyone knows what I have done to cause Opera 7
not to
render this page correctly.
http://e-lusion.com/design/greenmarinee/
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