RE: [WSG] page check

2006-01-04 Thread kvnmcwebn
georg wrote: Looks like you have two layers of some of those container- borders, and not all line up well in Firefox Opera. Do you mean the navbarnthe header? do you think it will be ok, as im out of time on this, Slight weakness when font-resizing is applied,

[WSG] ordered lists inside data tables

2006-01-04 Thread Vicki Berry
Hi all, I have a table of a schedule of fees that needs to have nested ordered lists inside it. Each list item has an associated fee which obviously should go on the same line. With a bit of fiddling I can put a whole list in one table row and get the prices to align (might work as long

Re: [WSG] ordered lists inside data tables

2006-01-04 Thread Lea de Groot
On 04/01/2006, at 6:29 PM, Vicki Berry wrote: With a bit of fiddling I can put a whole list in one table row and get the prices to align (might work as long as everyone views in the same sized browser window so there is no wrapping! Ha!) but then I lose the association between each item and

Re: [WSG] ordered lists inside data tables

2006-01-04 Thread Joshua Street
http://www.usability.com.au/resources/tables.cfm is a great resource. I find particularly interesting http://www.usability.com.au/resources/tables.cfm#very , as it demonstrates that accessible tables needn't be meagre and can, in fact, contain quite a lot of structured information. It sounds as

Re: [WSG] Firefox 1.0.x rogue PNG background line

2006-01-04 Thread Patrick H. Lauke
Joshua Street wrote: This is a seriously odd problem, resulting from Photoshop's PNG output/Firefox 1,0.x's PNG decoder (I think). Test case at http://joahua.com/blog/2006/01/04/photoshopfirefox-10x-and-the-case-of-the-mystery-line Anyone seen this before? I used to see a weird line at the

Re: [WSG] page check

2006-01-04 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
kvnmcwebn wrote: www.mcmonagle.biz/mockup/final11.htm Looks like you have two layers of some of those container- borders, and not all line up well in Firefox Opera. Do you mean the navbarnthe header? do you think it will be ok, as im out of time on this, It is looking pretty ok

Re: [WSG] Firefox 1.0.x rogue PNG background line

2006-01-04 Thread Joshua Street
This isn't just a line, it's the background showing through. Plus I'm seeing it on at least three computers with Firefox release 1.0.x versions... so it's not JUST beta software. Could just be corruption, but it's such an odd outcome I had to ask if anyone had seen it before. On 1/4/06, Patrick

Re: [WSG] page check

2006-01-04 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Gunlaug Sørtun wrote: It is looking pretty ok now. Valid code helps - at times :-) This: /div!-- navdrop -- -- ...doesn't look good in IE6. The last comment-end is visible text. Since you are commenting out navdrop, maybe it'll come out better if you end it like: /div -- !-- navdrop --

RE: [WSG] page check

2006-01-04 Thread kvnmcwebn
georg wrote: Footer can't expand properly in Firefox etc. Looking acceptable otherwise. I know this is not good but i defined a pixel height for the footer. The background image of the div behind it was showing through the footer div's padding. I will try and use a background image for the

[WSG] Images as DIV Background with and without link (w3c friendly)

2006-01-04 Thread Fausto Balloni
Hi All, We came with a W3C friendly solution to insert images with or without link in the layout, being able to control it via CSS only, without writing the IMG tag on the HTML code). It also helps Google and other search engines to find the name, title or alt of the image. Image Without

Re: [WSG] Images as DIV Background with and without link (w3c friendly)

2006-01-04 Thread Paul Collins
Hi Fausto, A good way of doing it, but It doesn't work with Images off and CSS still turned on, which becomes an Accessibility issue. Has anyone ever resolved a way ofdoing this for graphic links containing a rollover state? The problem is, IE doesn't let you add a hover state to anything

Re: [WSG] ordered lists inside data tables

2006-01-04 Thread Vicki Berry
Lea wrote: Can you show us an example of what you have so far? It does sound like it should be a table, IMHO. Yes, definitely, I just don't know how to mark it up so I can keep my lists and the table. The existing page (that I now need to update) is here:

Re: [WSG] Images as DIV Background with and without link (w3c friendly)

2006-01-04 Thread Patrick H. Lauke
Fausto Balloni wrote: It also helps Google and other search engines to find the name, title or alt of the image. Somehow I don't think Google and co. have any trouble finding the ALT attribute on images already... -- Patrick H. Lauke

Re: [WSG] page check

2006-01-04 Thread Peter J. Farrell
kvnmcwebn wrote: the html validates now Tidy is still complaining of unescaped amp's in your title attributes: ul class="navlist" lia href="subcategory.htm" title="parenting"Parenting/a/li lia href="subcategory.htm" title="childcare"Childcare/a/li lia href="subcategory.htm"

Re: [WSG] Images as DIV Background with and without link (w3c friendly)

2006-01-04 Thread webmaster
Hi Fausto, To cut things short: there is nothing wrong with images used as background via CSS as long as theses images are used as layout and not to give meaningful pieces of information to the visitors. You may end up confusing people who use text-only or speech devices. Read this article

Re: [WSG] Images as DIV Background with and without link (w3c friendly)

2006-01-04 Thread Martin Heiden
Paul, on Wednesday, January 4, 2006 at 15:48 wsg@webstandardsgroup.org wrote: I thought the Gilder/Levin/Shea Enhancement Method was best, but you can't have a hover state on a graphic link using this. Example HTML would be: a id=header title=Revised Image Replacement

RE: [WSG] Images as DIV Background with and without link (w3c friendly)

2006-01-04 Thread Fausto Balloni
Thank you foryour help,Paul. This link will be very useful!!! It is in my bookmark allready. (-: Regards from Rio de Janeiro (Brazil), Fausto. -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Paul CollinsSent: quarta-feira, 4 de janeiro de

Re: [WSG] Images as DIV Background with and without link (w3c friendly)

2006-01-04 Thread Paul Collins
Hi Martin, thanks for your reply... You can't use the :hover pseudo class on any element other than an anchor in IE unfortunately. I don't have time to look too far, but with a brief search I found this link that mentions it: http://4umi.com/web/css/hover.htm They say it will be fixed in

[WSG] @media 2006 , London, 15th-16th June

2006-01-04 Thread Patrick H. Lauke
Apologies for cross-posting: @media 2006 Unveiled http://www.vivabit.com/atmedia2006/ The @media conference returns in 2006 after an incredibly successful conference in 2005. This time there are more presentations and panels, spread across two tracks, and more speakers, including Eric

Re: [WSG] ordered lists inside data tables

2006-01-04 Thread Terrence Wood
Vicki Berry said: Yes, definitely, I just don't know how to mark it up so I can keep my lists and the table. The In you dreams solution. Any chance it can be rewritten in *plain english* to remove the redundant clauses and overuse of numbering? Example: clause 1(b)is already *explicitly*

Re: [WSG] ordered lists inside data tables

2006-01-04 Thread Terrence Wood
Vicki Berry said: Yes, definitely, I just don't know how to mark it up so I can keep my lists and the table. The In you dreams solution. Any chance it can be rewritten in *plain english* to remove the redundant clauses and overuse of numbering? Example: clause 1(b)is already *explicitly*

Re: [WSG] ordered lists inside data tables

2006-01-04 Thread Lea de Groot
On 05/01/2006, at 1:04 AM, Vicki Berry wrote: http://www.mrc.wa.gov.au/services/fee_schedule.html The first decision to make is: is the numbering part of the content? By this I mean does it have to be exact - if this is legislation then you may well have to ensure the numbers appear, then

[WSG] New to Standards.

2006-01-04 Thread Alvaro Mouriño
Hi list, For about 8 years I've been working with HTML and web-related languages. One day I discovered CSS and learnt (not much) about it, but I never realized how powerful it is. Little time ago something called Web Standards called my attention, causing me a very strong curiosity. That's why I

Re: [WSG] New to Standards.

2006-01-04 Thread webmaster
Try this: www.w3schools.com It helped me a lot in the beginning. Cheers Paolo

RE: [WSG] New to Standards.

2006-01-04 Thread Rachel Radford
Hi Alvaro, A really good book that I'm sure has taught many of us lots is Jefferey Zeldman's book Designing with Web Standards. It introduces everything from a beginner's view, moving from tables to more standard markup and more css. Eric Meyer on CSS is also a brilliant book. Rachel

RE: [WSG] New to Standards.

2006-01-04 Thread Paul Bennett
Hi AlvAro, The WSG Resources section is a good place to start: http://webstandardsgroup.org/resources/ :) Paul ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on

Re: [WSG] New to Standards.

2006-01-04 Thread Bert Doorn
Hi Alvaro Now I'm writing to this list to ask for books, eBooks, links, and every piece of information that could help me to learn and understand Web Standards and not feel like an ignorant when I read the posts sent to the list, and, in a not-far future, help others too. The Web Standards

Re: [WSG] New to Standards.

2006-01-04 Thread Côcu
http://www.alistapart.com/ 2006/1/5, Bert Doorn [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi Alvaro -- .: marcello.côcu ..: IPwd - stúdio de webdesigner ...: http://ipwd.ppg.br ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See

Re: [WSG] ordered lists inside data tables

2006-01-04 Thread Vicki Berry
Hi Terrence, Because the document is written in leagalise I would not leave the numbering up to HTML + CSS to interpret - hard code the values instead. I don't know *why* I didn't see this for myself. Thanks for pointing it out. Forget about using lists - clauses are *not* list items

Re: [WSG] ordered lists inside data tables

2006-01-04 Thread Vicki Berry
Hi Lea, I am very relieved to have now got the point that the numbering should be part of the content. Doesn't that make (my) life so much simpler? :-D Thanks for taking the time to help. Vicki. :-) -- Vicki Berry DistinctiveWeb Web: http://www.distinctiveweb.com.au Blog:

Re: [WSG] ordered lists inside data tables

2006-01-04 Thread Terrence Wood
On 5 Jan 2006, at 4:54 PM, Vicki Berry wrote: Forget about using lists - clauses are *not* list items They're not? But ok, I've forgotten about using lists. :-) I guess you could argue that it's a list of clauses ;-) but no, the numbering has a very specific meaning that needs to be

[WSG] Claiming compliance when a site doesn't' actually comply

2006-01-04 Thread Nic
I'd be interested to know what this group's take is on a practice I seem to find more and more. You go to a site, and it proudly claims xhtml/css/wai compliance. You do a quick check, and discover that the code wouldn't pass xhtml 1.0 compliance, let alone the 1.1 strict they claim! Their css

Re: [WSG] Claiming compliance when a site doesn't' actually comply

2006-01-04 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Nic wrote: You go to a site, and it proudly claims xhtml/css/wai compliance. You do a quick check, ... Gosh. Don't do that!!! Just think of all the hard work those poor web designers had to do just to get hold of those buttons and create those links. Might have taken them several minutes ;-)