[WSG] Starting with HTML and CSS

2009-02-03 Thread Katrina
Gday WSGers! I am lucky enough to be a tutor for a web course at the local uni, and I love to point students towards Starting with HTML + CSS http://www.w3.org/Style/Examples/011/firstcss However, it uses absolute positioning. I would like to use a *huge* favour. Anyone want to write a

Re: [WSG] Starting with HTML and CSS

2009-02-03 Thread James Ducker
That tutorial seems pretty detailed. Why not have them follow that tutorial, then introduce them to the float property and point them to a tutorial like: http://www.456bereastreet.com/lab/developing_with_web_standards/csslayout/2-col/ - James On Tue, Feb 3, 2009 at 7:32 PM, Katrina

[WSG] Opera Targeting?!

2009-02-03 Thread Brett Patterson
Hello All, I am in the process of working on my portfolio. It is not complete yet, but one problem with my navigation menu on the top exists. Although it is a minor pixel alignment in Opera, I cannot, for the life of me, figure out why only Opera is aligning my tabs (which are the top part of my

Re: [WSG] Opera Targeting?!

2009-02-03 Thread Adam Martin
I do not use conditional comments myself as I have coded a css parser to handle all these differences... but anyhow.. you could try and get Opera looking correct and then use conditional comments as needed for the other browsers. Just a suggestion, I am sure others here will know how to target

Re: [WSG] Opera Targeting?!

2009-02-03 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Brett Patterson wrote: If my site is visited in Firefox or Internet Explorer first, you can see that everything aligns perfectly. Not if that browser is called IE8, I'm afraid. IE8 agrees with Opera10alpha. http://ttcharriman.edu/TTCH07/iftprojects/brettpatterson/index.html It's a

Re: [WSG] Opera Targeting?!

2009-02-03 Thread Christian Montoya
On Tue, Feb 3, 2009 at 2:41 PM, Gunlaug Sørtun gunla...@c2i.net wrote: David Dixon wrote: Chomping at the bit to dismiss IE7 a little early aren't we Georg? :) :-) Look at IE7 from a designer/developer's point of view... IE7 is dead - meaning: stable, Ah, well, most people would consider

Re: [WSG] Opera Targeting?!

2009-02-03 Thread Brett Patterson
There are patches for Internet Explorer, though Microsoft calls them several different things, it could be a Security Update for Internet Explorer, a Cumulative Security Update for Internet Explorer, or even a Security Update for Windows (maybe worded differently on the last one). They just update

Re: [WSG] Opera Targeting?!

2009-02-03 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Christian Montoya wrote: On Tue, Feb 3, 2009 at 2:41 PM, Gunlaug Sørtun gunla...@c2i.net IE7 is dead - meaning: stable, Ah, well, most people would consider dead and stable to be two entirely different things. Dead is more akin to abandoned or unsupported. OK, guess my choice of word

Re: [WSG] Opera Targeting?!

2009-02-03 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Brett Patterson wrote: You should rethink the positioning method, and forget about deviations between browsers until you have stabilized it in one. I do not understand this either, unless you are talking about using margin as the positioning method. I have stabilized it one browser. This

Re: [WSG] Opera Targeting?!

2009-02-03 Thread Felix Miata
On 2009/02/03 15:13 (GMT-0500) Brett Patterson composed: On 2009/02/03 19:54 (GMT+0100) Gunlaug Sørtun composed: I really don't understand what you mean, when you say: It's a designer-bug. Vertical position of the navigation relies entirely on font size, which means it is all over the place

Re: [WSG] Opera Targeting?!

2009-02-03 Thread Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis
On 3/2/09 20:13, Brett Patterson wrote: I really don't understand what you mean, when you say: It's a designer-bug. Vertical position of the navigation relies entirely on font size, which means it is all over the place in my browsers on first load. No two browsers calculate

Re: [WSG] Opera Targeting?!

2009-02-03 Thread Brett Patterson
Oh! I get it. Finally!!! :) It has always been my understanding, from some books that I have read (like CIW's books, ciwcertified.com, which go into some detail just not a lot) and a few others, that a pixel (in relation to size, meaning if you looked at your screen closely the little squares on

Re: [WSG] Opera Targeting?!

2009-02-03 Thread David Dixon
Chomping at the bit to dismiss IE7 a little early aren't we Georg? :) David Gunlaug Sørtun wrote: Besides: one should only target/hack dead browsers, like IE7 and older. Targeting/hacking live browsers like Opera, Firefox, Safari etc. for real, will only create maintenance-problems as new

Re: [WSG] label:hover - more harm than good?!

2009-02-03 Thread tee
Thanks Rob, and David. If the label and the checkbox or select have matching 'for' and 'id' attributes they should be getting focus when clicked. As far as the value label:hover goes I tend not to make labels change colour on hover as they may be misinterpreted as links. If you want

Re: [WSG] Opera Targeting?!

2009-02-03 Thread Brett Patterson
I really don't understand what you mean, when you say: It's a designer-bug. Vertical position of the navigation relies entirely on font size, which means it is all over the place in my browsers on first load. No two browsers calculate font size exactly the same before rendering, so relying

Re: [WSG] Opera Targeting?!

2009-02-03 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
David Dixon wrote: Chomping at the bit to dismiss IE7 a little early aren't we Georg? :) :-) Look at IE7 from a designer/developer's point of view... IE7 is dead - meaning: stable, so if it acts up and there isn't a suitable solution that all browsers can see, there's no harm whatsoever in

Re: [WSG] Opera Targeting?!

2009-02-03 Thread Felix Miata
On 2009/02/03 15:18 (GMT-0500) Brett Patterson composed: There are patches for Internet Explorer, though Microsoft calls them several different things, it could be a Security Update for Internet Explorer, a Cumulative Security Update for Internet Explorer, or even a Security Update for