Re: CLOSED Re: [WSG] Firefox Promotion
for anything good to spread in a network it takes lots of small voices, not one big one. Nice one Trovester, (though don't forget to sniff for other (not windows) OS's) Sean On 23/10/2004, at 3:53 PM, James Ellis wrote: Offlist please, this has nothing do with the implementation of web standards. Mozilla vs * discussions are best left for places like mozillazine.org. Don't request to keep things like this on the list or your account will be unsubscribed - that's not a threat, we are just trying to keep this list on -topic with a manageable volume of traffic. If you were discussing how you implemented your website to be XHTML 1.0 strict then thats ok. Regards James Trovster wrote: I have started a little site for the promotion of Firefox http://firefox.trovster.com But as you can see it's pretty thin at the moment. I have added my favourite extensions, with links and short descriptions to the customise section, and links to other resources in the links section (funny that!). I am looking for some help in writing some motivational words in the about and why sections. I have outlined some sections I would like in the why section but I would like some help writing it. Also, send me information on more articles and favourite extensions/themes etc. If anyone can help, you can either email me personally or keep it on the list. Thanks Trevor Morris ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] Firefox Promotion
From: Trovster I have started a little site for the promotion of Firefox http://firefox.trovster.com Not to sound like a party pooper, but...why not spend energy contributing to the official http://www.spreadfirefox.com, rather than fragmenting the landscape with a separate new site? I'm all for diversity and variety, but I think what we need is a concerted, focussed, single-minded effort rather than lots of small competing ones... IMHO, of course. Patrick Patrick H. Lauke Webmaster / University of Salford http://www.salford.ac.uk ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Firefox Promotion
I'm actually wondering if there's a site that promotes all browsers that support Web standards. I use Firefox, and will recommend it to anybody who asks, but when I talk about Web standards, I don't like sounding like I'm tooting Firefox's horn, ya know? So is there a generic site with some credability that will give people not in the know the low-down on the browser choices? ~john _ Dr. Zeus Web Development http://www.DrZeus.net content without clutter Patrick Lauke wrote: From: Trovster I have started a little site for the promotion of Firefox http://firefox.trovster.com Not to sound like a party pooper, but...why not spend energy contributing to the official http://www.spreadfirefox.com, rather than fragmenting the landscape with a separate new site? I'm all for diversity and variety, but I think what we need is a concerted, focussed, single-minded effort rather than lots of small competing ones... IMHO, of course. Patrick Patrick H. Lauke Webmaster / University of Salford http://www.salford.ac.uk ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Firefox Promotion
There's browse happy campaign - http://browsehappy.com/ which talks about experiences from changing from IE to Opera/Mozilla/Firefox and Safari Trev ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Firefox Promotion
Whilst Firefox may be a bloody good browser, shouldn't the WSG list be more about lobbying for a range of browsers that are Web Standards friendly. IE may cause most web developers committed to standards to pull their hair out but the fact is it is still used by the majority of interner users and unless MS totally disappears this is likely to continue. I find the whole smash IE and support firefox thing a total waste of energy. What does this really do for web standards? Jonothan On Fri, 22 Oct 2004 17:53:12 +0100, Trovster [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There's browse happy campaign - http://browsehappy.com/ which talks about experiences from changing from IE to Opera/Mozilla/Firefox and Safari Trev ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Firefox Promotion
On Sat, 23 Oct 2004 08:39:26 +1000, Jonothan Stribling wrote: I find the whole smash IE and support firefox thing a total waste of energy. What does this really do for web standards? Well, yes! But its the Firefox people who are promoting Firefox specifically, and this doesn't seem unreasonable. The good people at WaSP - The Web Standards Project - are responsible for Browse Happy. I don't think W3c does anything (specific) about promoting browsers, and that probably correct too, as they should not be accused of bias. HIH Lea -- Lea de Groot Elysian Systems - http://elysiansystems.com/ Brisbane, Australia ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Firefox Promotion
for anything good to spread in a network it takes lots of small voices, not one big one. Nice one Trovester, (though don't forget to sniff for other (not windows) OS's) Sean On 23/10/2004, at 3:34 AM, Patrick Lauke wrote: From: Trovster I have started a little site for the promotion of Firefox http://firefox.trovster.com Not to sound like a party pooper, but...why not spend energy contributing to the official http://www.spreadfirefox.com, rather than fragmenting the landscape with a separate new site? I'm all for diversity and variety, but I think what we need is a concerted, focussed, single-minded effort rather than lots of small competing ones... IMHO, of course. Patrick Patrick H. Lauke Webmaster / University of Salford http://www.salford.ac.uk ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Firefox Promotion
Lobbying who? MS has shown itself to be singularly un-interested in standards, esp with the whole Avalon thing with Longhorn. Moz co have produced a browser (or a few actually) which mostly supports web standards and have made a commitment to improving their support of those standards. I would have thought that promoting the use of standards-based software would be a good thing. Certainly not just promoting FF, but there are a number of alternatives to IE that are largely standards compliant. The more people that use them, the more standards will matter. That's what it does for web standards. Also, while most people will use IE, if enough corporations start to switch, it's just possible that MS may take notice. Individuals, or even developer lobby groups calling for better IE development will really not get much of a responce. Mozilla now has ~ 5% market share (depending on what metric you use), and I know of a large number of unis that now use it almost exclusively. That's breeding a whole generation of people who know there's a standards-based alternative. This is a good thing for web standards. Glenn Jonothan Stribling wrote: Whilst Firefox may be a bloody good browser, shouldn't the WSG list be more about lobbying for a range of browsers that are Web Standards friendly. IE may cause most web developers committed to standards to pull their hair out but the fact is it is still used by the majority of interner users and unless MS totally disappears this is likely to continue. I find the whole smash IE and support firefox thing a total waste of energy. What does this really do for web standards? Jonothan ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Firefox Promotion
On 10/22/04 7:20 AM Trovster [EMAIL PROTECTED] sent this out: If anyone can help, you can either email me personally or keep it on the list. I'd keep it off list. This list is getting too much questionable content these days. Rick Faaberg ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
CLOSED Re: [WSG] Firefox Promotion
Offlist please, this has nothing do with the implementation of web standards. Mozilla vs * discussions are best left for places like mozillazine.org. Don't request to keep things like this on the list or your account will be unsubscribed - that's not a threat, we are just trying to keep this list on -topic with a manageable volume of traffic. If you were discussing how you implemented your website to be XHTML 1.0 strict then thats ok. Regards James Trovster wrote: I have started a little site for the promotion of Firefox http://firefox.trovster.com But as you can see it's pretty thin at the moment. I have added my favourite extensions, with links and short descriptions to the customise section, and links to other resources in the links section (funny that!). I am looking for some help in writing some motivational words in the about and why sections. I have outlined some sections I would like in the why section but I would like some help writing it. Also, send me information on more articles and favourite extensions/themes etc. If anyone can help, you can either email me personally or keep it on the list. Thanks Trevor Morris ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
