Re: [WSG] Mambo Accessibility
Michael Donnermeyer wrote: TextPattern works well, particularly now that they've released a final version. I used WordPress up until v.1.5 due to TXP being in beta and RC versions, but have since slowly switched to TXP for all my sites. The only site I can think of at the moment that is running TXP (and doing a good job of it) is Hicks Design (http:// www.hicksdesign.co.uk/). I'm sure there's more out there, just can't think of them right now. A few other sites using Textpattern: http://txpmagazine.kbbu.de/all_sites/ lr ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Mambo Accessibility
Lloyd wrote: Guys, Thanks for all the feedback! Backend is important as one of our content providers is blind. Does anyone know much more about Joomla? They are possibly prepared to upgrade (As they see this is just the same thing). I want to know whether its possible to do this with either Mambo or Joomla but I guess otherwise it will need be something else so your suggestions of other good CMS's are welcome! Thanks again. Regards, Lloyd Just as a point of interest, Mambo, before it split into Joomla, said that the next major release (5.x) would aim to generate web standard compliant code, they had taken on board as a core developer the person/people who takes Mambo, and fixes it to produce XMambo (http://mamboforge.net/projects/xmambo/). I don't think that will happen of itself, and will need web standards developers to work with the various teams to provide feedback. I don't know what has happened with these initiatives since the Mambo/Joomla split. The Typo3 people have said the same thing about Typo3 V4.x, which is in alpha (http://typo3.org/?tx_newsimporter_pi1%5BshowItem%5D=0cHash=e4a40a11a9). Again, it will require web standard developers to work with them on that. So I think there's the opportunity to work with and provide feedback to bring these products up to a standard where we can maybe*enjoy* good web content management tools. -- Geoff Deering ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Mambo Accessibility
Plz dont send me any mail onword.. otherwise i'll.!!1 On 12/1/05, Lloyd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Guys,I have been asked to work on a web site and Mambo is the current CMSbeing used. They want to, if possible, keep Mambo as they're CMS but upon inspecting it I am surrounded by tables and poor markup. It doesnot even seem possible (Without hacking the source) to add ALT text tosome images!Is there a way to make Mambo compatible (A large reason for the work is to allow blind users to get value from the site) with accessiblilyand hopefully web standards?Is there another CMS that you would mention which may suit my needs?Regards,Lloyd** The discussion list forhttp://webstandardsgroup.org/See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help**
Re: [WSG] Mambo Accessibility
Hi all, Weused Textpattern for http://www.bustahouse.com/and http://www.selfcateringshetland.com/ It's a really nice solution for putting together sites. My main concern with Textpattern is teaching clients how to use it, as the sections/categories model is sometimes a little tricky for them to understand. That said, teaching a client to use Mambo is not the easiest job in the world either ... clients are always initimidated by the number of steps involved to add a new page: create the page, make sure the correct menu is displayed on the page and also make sure the page is linked to from the correct menus ... and so on. Cheers David On 12/2/05, Rakesh Patil [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Plz dont send me any mail onword.. otherwise i'll.!!1 On 12/1/05, Lloyd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Guys,I have been asked to work on a web site and Mambo is the current CMSbeing used. They want to, if possible, keep Mambo as they're CMS but upon inspecting it I am surrounded by tables and poor markup. It doesnot even seem possible (Without hacking the source) to add ALT text tosome images!Is there a way to make Mambo compatible (A large reason for the work is to allow blind users to get value from the site) with accessiblilyand hopefully web standards?Is there another CMS that you would mention which may suit my needs?Regards,Lloyd ** The discussion list forhttp://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Mambo Accessibility
I gave up trying to do anything with Mambo. Expression Engine, Movable Type, and Wordpress are Standards based and simple and easy to configure, All three validate out of the box and don't require a two year course and beating your head on the desk to reconfigureafter several years of trying to use other systems I gave Mambo and all nuke related up as a lost cause. Bruce Prochnau BKDesign Solutions - Original Message - From: Lloyd [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 7:15 AM Subject: [WSG] Mambo Accessibility Hi Guys, I have been asked to work on a web site and Mambo is the current CMS being used. They want to, if possible, keep Mambo as they're CMS but upon inspecting it I am surrounded by tables and poor markup. It does not even seem possible (Without hacking the source) to add ALT text to some images! Is there a way to make Mambo compatible (A large reason for the work is to allow blind users to get value from the site) with accessiblily and hopefully web standards? Is there another CMS that you would mention which may suit my needs? Regards, Lloyd ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Mambo Accessibility
Woops, missed this: If Mambo can be configured easy, as some claim, why has there not been a ton of templates available long ago??? On different CMS type forums I see problems mambo related all the time... Nuff said ;-) Bruce Prochnau BKDesign Solutions - Original Message - From: Lloyd [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 7:15 AM Subject: [WSG] Mambo Accessibility Hi Guys, I have been asked to work on a web site and Mambo is the current CMS being used. They want to, if possible, keep Mambo as they're CMS but upon inspecting it I am surrounded by tables and poor markup. It does not even seem possible (Without hacking the source) to add ALT text to some images! Is there a way to make Mambo compatible (A large reason for the work is to allow blind users to get value from the site) with accessiblily and hopefully web standards? Is there another CMS that you would mention which may suit my needs? Regards, Lloyd ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] Mambo Accessibility
I used mambo to do this... www.jabary.com Carlos Revillo Tanta Tecnología y Comunicación Grupo Onetec c/ Julián Camarillo 26 1º Of. 2 28037 Madrid Tel.: 91.440.10.40 Fax: 91.304.91.24 www.tantacom.com www.grupoonetec.com -Mensaje original- De: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] En nombre de Bruce Enviado el: jueves, 01 de diciembre de 2005 13:26 Para: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Asunto: Re: [WSG] Mambo Accessibility Woops, missed this: If Mambo can be configured easy, as some claim, why has there not been a ton of templates available long ago??? On different CMS type forums I see problems mambo related all the time... Nuff said ;-) Bruce Prochnau BKDesign Solutions - Original Message - From: Lloyd [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 7:15 AM Subject: [WSG] Mambo Accessibility Hi Guys, I have been asked to work on a web site and Mambo is the current CMS being used. They want to, if possible, keep Mambo as they're CMS but upon inspecting it I am surrounded by tables and poor markup. It does not even seem possible (Without hacking the source) to add ALT text to some images! Is there a way to make Mambo compatible (A large reason for the work is to allow blind users to get value from the site) with accessiblily and hopefully web standards? Is there another CMS that you would mention which may suit my needs? Regards, Lloyd ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Mambo Accessibility
I am a big fan of Wordpress [1]. I personally use it, as well as use it on a lot of projects for clients. I have found it very easy to configure. If you know a HTML and a little PHP, it is very versatile.For one project, I was tasked with taking a look at the accessibility of Mambo and the feasibility of making it accessible. After going over the documentation, it just felt very daunting.You may want to check out the W3C's Authoring Tool Accessibility Guidelines (ATAG) [2]. It is a good measuring stick for quality in a CMS (or any authoring tool) as far as it's ability to be accessible. You can ask the CMS vendors how they measure up to ATAG.Sincerely,Justin Thorp[1] http://www.wordpress.org[2] http://www.w3.org/WAI/intro/atag.phpOn Dec 1, 2005, at 7:23 AM, Bruce wrote:I gave up trying to do anything with Mambo._expression_ Engine, Movable Type, and Wordpress are Standards based andsimple and easy to configure, All three validate out of the box and don'trequire a two year course and beating your head on the desk toreconfigureafter several years of trying to use other systems I gaveMambo and all nuke related up as a lost cause.Bruce ProchnauBKDesign Solutions- Original Message - From: "Lloyd" [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.orgSent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 7:15 AMSubject: [WSG] Mambo AccessibilityHi Guys,I have been asked to work on a web site and Mambo is the current CMSbeing used. They want to, if possible, keep Mambo as they're CMS butupon inspecting it I am surrounded by tables and poor markup. It doesnot even seem possible (Without hacking the source) to add ALT text tosome images!Is there a way to make Mambo compatible (A large reason for the workis to allow blind users to get value from the site) with accessiblilyand hopefully web standards?Is there another CMS that you would mention which may suit my needs?Regards,Lloyd *** Justin Thorp Technical Assistant Michigan State University Academic Computing Network Services - Applications Programming http://approg.msu.edu/ Principal; Web Developer Accessibility Specialist MyCapitalWeb.com LLC 3016 S. Deerfield Lansing, MI 48911 [EMAIL PROTECTED] my NEW personal blog - http://www.justinthorp.com my web development blog - http://thinkthentype.blogspot.com
Re: [WSG] Mambo Accessibility
On Thu, 1 Dec 2005 20:15:13 +0800 Lloyd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Guys, ... Is there a way to make Mambo compatible (A large reason for the work is to allow blind users to get value from the site) with accessiblily and hopefully web standards? Is there another CMS that you would mention which may suit my needs? I've never used it myself, but you might want to take a look at Joomla. It's compatible with Mambo at this point http://www.joomla.org/index.php?Itemid=44option=com_faqcatid=7 and the developers are at least are trying to be compliant and accessible http://help.joomla.org/content/view/805/125/ Cheers, Steve Ferguson - http://illumit.com/ Regards, Lloyd ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Mambo Accessibility
What about www.textpattern.com has anyone tried this? ~n uoting Steve Ferguson [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Thu, 1 Dec 2005 20:15:13 +0800 Lloyd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Guys, ... Is there a way to make Mambo compatible (A large reason for the work is to allow blind users to get value from the site) with accessiblily and hopefully web standards? Is there another CMS that you would mention which may suit my needs? I've never used it myself, but you might want to take a look at Joomla. It's compatible with Mambo at this point http://www.joomla.org/index.php?Itemid=44option=com_faqcatid=7 and the developers are at least are trying to be compliant and accessible http://help.joomla.org/content/view/805/125/ Cheers, Steve Ferguson - http://illumit.com/ Regards, Lloyd ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** Neal Watkins www.constructweb.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] Mambo Accessibility
www.GAWDS.org (Guild of Accessible Web Developers) has a fully accessible CMS platform. I would recommend moving away from Mambo if you are interested in standards. Ted -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steve Ferguson Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 8:35 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Mambo Accessibility On Thu, 1 Dec 2005 20:15:13 +0800 Lloyd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Guys, ... Is there a way to make Mambo compatible (A large reason for the work is to allow blind users to get value from the site) with accessiblily and hopefully web standards? Is there another CMS that you would mention which may suit my needs? I've never used it myself, but you might want to take a look at Joomla. It's compatible with Mambo at this point http://www.joomla.org/index.php?Itemid=44option=com_faqcatid=7 and the developers are at least are trying to be compliant and accessible http://help.joomla.org/content/view/805/125/ Cheers, Steve Ferguson - http://illumit.com/ Regards, Lloyd ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Mambo Accessibility
TextPattern works well, particularly now that they've released a final version. I used WordPress up until v.1.5 due to TXP being in beta and RC versions, but have since slowly switched to TXP for all my sites. The only site I can think of at the moment that is running TXP (and doing a good job of it) is Hicks Design (http:// www.hicksdesign.co.uk/). I'm sure there's more out there, just can't think of them right now. On Dec 1, 2005, at 11:00 AM, Neal Watkins wrote: What about www.textpattern.com has anyone tried this? ~n uoting Steve Ferguson [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Thu, 1 Dec 2005 20:15:13 +0800 Lloyd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Guys, ... Is there a way to make Mambo compatible (A large reason for the work is to allow blind users to get value from the site) with accessiblily and hopefully web standards? Is there another CMS that you would mention which may suit my needs? I've never used it myself, but you might want to take a look at Joomla. It's compatible with Mambo at this point http:// www.joomla.org/index.php?Itemid=44option=com_faqcatid=7 and the developers are at least are trying to be compliant and accessible http://help.joomla.org/content/view/805/125/ Cheers, Steve Ferguson - http://illumit.com/ Regards, Lloyd ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** Neal Watkins www.constructweb.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Mambo Accessibility
Lloyd said: Is there a way to make Mambo compatible (A large reason for the work is to allow blind users to get value from the site) with accessiblily and hopefully web standards? Are you refering to the the CMS interface itself (i.e. the admin bits) or to the public facing output? Most CMS's should be able to handle producing accessible public facing pages. If you are looking for an accessible backend, I'm sorry but you won't find one out of the box. Your best solution is to look to a CMS that has good sepeartion of code and UI - preferably where the admin pages are themeable - and build your own backend, or work with an OS project that has accessiblity as a goal for the backend. One of the blogging platforms (WordPress, MovableType, TextPattern) might suffice depending on how much 'managing' and how scalable your CMS needs to be, however, last I looked none of these are particularly accessible out of the box either, and all suffered to some degree of poor seperation of code + ui (disclaimer: it's been a very long time since I looked at TP, or MT). kind regards Terrence Wood. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] Mambo Accessibility
Except that they still insist on membership before you can view such pages. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ted Drake Sent: Friday, 2 December 2005 4:15 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: RE: [WSG] Mambo Accessibility www.GAWDS.org (Guild of Accessible Web Developers) has a fully accessible CMS platform. I would recommend moving away from Mambo if you are interested in standards. Ted -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steve Ferguson Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 8:35 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Mambo Accessibility On Thu, 1 Dec 2005 20:15:13 +0800 Lloyd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Guys, ... Is there a way to make Mambo compatible (A large reason for the work is to allow blind users to get value from the site) with accessiblily and hopefully web standards? Is there another CMS that you would mention which may suit my needs? I've never used it myself, but you might want to take a look at Joomla. It's compatible with Mambo at this point http://www.joomla.org/index.php?Itemid=44option=com_faqcatid=7 and the developers are at least are trying to be compliant and accessible http://help.joomla.org/content/view/805/125/ Cheers, Steve Ferguson - http://illumit.com/ Regards, Lloyd ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Mambo Accessibility
If you want to find out which CMS is good for your needs, you might want to check out: http://www.opensourcecms.com/ They have live installs of maybe hundreds of CMS, all rated, user comments, organized in categories. The installs are wiped every 2 hours, so you can go in with the demo password and do whatever you want, try different features, see the output, etc. You might find a CMS no one would think of suggesting that might actually be perfect for you, and you don't have to worry about installing something on your own server and having to uninstall it later. To save you some time, most comments about Mambo on the site go along the lines of Mambo was good for a while, but there are better solutions now that will save you lots of time. It might be faster to take the Mambo database and port it into another CMS than try to make all the Mambo markup standards-compliant. -- -- Christian Montoya christianmontoya.com ... rdpdesign.com ... cssliquid.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] Mambo Accessibility
You can also directly compare hundreds of CMSs and choose them based on selection criteria from this helpful site: http://cmsmatrix.org However, if you're after a simplt, straight-forward no-nonsense, accessible and XHTML compliant CMS I'm going to recommend CMS Made Simple again. It's in it's infancy but it's got the most active developer community I've ever seend and it's growing out of site(sic). And, no, I have no affiliations beyond those of an emotive nature. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Christian Montoya Sent: Friday, 2 December 2005 8:47 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Mambo Accessibility If you want to find out which CMS is good for your needs, you might want to check out: http://www.opensourcecms.com/ They have live installs of maybe hundreds of CMS, all rated, user comments, organized in categories. The installs are wiped every 2 hours, so you can go in with the demo password and do whatever you want, try different features, see the output, etc. You might find a CMS no one would think of suggesting that might actually be perfect for you, and you don't have to worry about installing something on your own server and having to uninstall it later. To save you some time, most comments about Mambo on the site go along the lines of Mambo was good for a while, but there are better solutions now that will save you lots of time. It might be faster to take the Mambo database and port it into another CMS than try to make all the Mambo markup standards-compliant. -- -- Christian Montoya christianmontoya.com ... rdpdesign.com ... cssliquid.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Mambo Accessibility
Actually you can find it, if you take the time to look. Here's the link for non-members (sourced from their Membership Benefits page). http://www.qnecms.co.uk/ On Dec 1, 2005, at 3:36 PM, Paul Noone wrote: Except that they still insist on membership before you can view such pages. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ted Drake Sent: Friday, 2 December 2005 4:15 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: RE: [WSG] Mambo Accessibility www.GAWDS.org (Guild of Accessible Web Developers) has a fully accessible CMS platform. I would recommend moving away from Mambo if you are interested in standards. Ted -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steve Ferguson Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 8:35 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Mambo Accessibility On Thu, 1 Dec 2005 20:15:13 +0800 Lloyd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Guys, ... Is there a way to make Mambo compatible (A large reason for the work is to allow blind users to get value from the site) with accessiblily and hopefully web standards? Is there another CMS that you would mention which may suit my needs? I've never used it myself, but you might want to take a look at Joomla. It's compatible with Mambo at this point http://www.joomla.org/index.php?Itemid=44option=com_faqcatid=7 and the developers are at least are trying to be compliant and accessible http://help.joomla.org/content/view/805/125/ Cheers, Steve Ferguson - http://illumit.com/ Regards, Lloyd ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Mambo Accessibility
I've never used it myself, but you might want to take a look at Joomla. It's compatible with Mambo at this point http://www.joomla.org/index.php?Itemid=44option=com_faqcatid=7 and the developers are at least are trying to be compliant and accessible http://help.joomla.org/content/view/805/125/ Cheers, Steve Ferguson - http://illumit.com/ Areas that Joomla is dealing with: 1) Frontend and backend accessibility considerations 2) Well formed, semantic code. Minimal cruft. 3) Appropriate use of markup 4) Design standards (e.g. looking at W3C Core Styles, what classes we really need, correct use of classes) I say this as part of the Usability and Accessibility Group within Joomla. Whilst I'm not the actual core dev team, I have been helping out with ideas and code architecture. Joomla is going in the right direction. It's just not there yet..;) Lawrence Meckan Absalom Media http:///www.absalom.biz ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] Mambo Accessibility
Michael Donnermeyer deftly quothed: ...if you take the time to look. Ahem. Yes. Thank you, Michael. :* ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Mambo Accessibility
Hello Michael, I used WordPress up until v.1.5 due to TXP being in beta and RC versions, but have since slowly switched to TXP for all my sites. The only site I can think of at the moment that is running TXP (and doing a good job of it) is Hicks Design (http:// www.hicksdesign.co.uk/). I'm sure there's more out there, just can't think of them right now. There are a lot of sites on TXP: http://txpmagazine.kbbu.de/all_sites/ -- Vladimir Yashnikov http://www.yashnikov.info/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Mambo Accessibility
Guys, Thanks for all the feedback! Backend is important as one of our content providers is blind. Does anyone know much more about Joomla? They are possibly prepared to upgrade (As they see this is just the same thing). I want to know whether its possible to do this with either Mambo or Joomla but I guess otherwise it will need be something else so your suggestions of other good CMS's are welcome! Thanks again. Regards, Lloyd On 12/2/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've never used it myself, but you might want to take a look at Joomla. It's compatible with Mambo at this point http://www.joomla.org/index.php?Itemid=44option=com_faqcatid=7 and the developers are at least are trying to be compliant and accessible http://help.joomla.org/content/view/805/125/ Cheers, Steve Ferguson - http://illumit.com/ Areas that Joomla is dealing with: 1) Frontend and backend accessibility considerations 2) Well formed, semantic code. Minimal cruft. 3) Appropriate use of markup 4) Design standards (e.g. looking at W3C Core Styles, what classes we really need, correct use of classes) I say this as part of the Usability and Accessibility Group within Joomla. Whilst I'm not the actual core dev team, I have been helping out with ideas and code architecture. Joomla is going in the right direction. It's just not there yet..;) Lawrence Meckan Absalom Media http:///www.absalom.biz ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
