Re: [WSG] Call for a new (scalable) business case for web standards.

2006-02-06 Thread Bert Doorn
G'day heretic wrote: Actually, I think some of the benefits touted for large-scale sites are actually more urgently required and keenly noticed by small business. In particular... The problem is that many small/micro businesses don't see it (y)our way. They only see the shiny coat of paint,

Re: [WSG] Call for a new (scalable) business case for web standards.

2006-02-06 Thread heretic
The problem is that many small/micro businesses don't see it (y)our way. They only see the shiny coat of paint, not the rust underneath it, or the engine under the bonnet. Bombarding them with technical jargon isn't going to help. They just see a web page in their browser. It either looks

Re: [WSG] Call for a new (scalable) business case for web standards.

2006-02-06 Thread Jay Gilmore
I am coming to realize that there is little real business case for small business. Total cost of operation of a website for a small business might be marginal. My reasoning for this thread was to formulate a position statement that could be communicated to small business leaders to have them

Re: [WSG] Call for a new (scalable) business case for web standards.

2006-02-06 Thread Jan Brasna
I want a standards based website -- can you deliver? This premise is wrong. When I'm buying a house I also do not explicitly state that I want it to be built with standards, however I anticipate it's not going to fall on my head soon. It's the professional side of all the suppliers. If you

Re: [WSG] Call for a new (scalable) business case for web standards.

2006-02-06 Thread Jay Gilmore
Jan Brasna wrote: I want a standards based website -- can you deliver? This premise is wrong. When I'm buying a house I also do not explicitly state that I want it to be built with standards, however I anticipate it's not going to fall on my head soon. I don't agree with this analogy.

Re: [WSG] Call for a new (scalable) business case for web standards.

2006-02-05 Thread Peter Ottery
Jay wrote: So here is the question: What are the benefits of web standards for small business that can be sufficiently measured in results for the business both in the long and short term? Jay, been thinking about this for a few days. As youve pointed out, youre really interested in small

Re: [WSG] Call for a new (scalable) business case for web standards.

2006-02-05 Thread heretic
So here is the question: What are the benefits of web standards for small business that can be sufficiently measured in results for the business both in the long and short term? I've been thinking a bit about this one... Actually, I think some of the benefits touted for large-scale sites

Re: [WSG] Call for a new (scalable) business case for web standards.

2006-02-03 Thread adam LEAPER
what this email meant for me or what? im confused to why I am getting so many emails? On 2/3/06, Ben Bishop [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 2/3/06, Jay Gilmore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I want to go beyond the argument of separation of information and presentation markup. What sort of

Re: [WSG] Call for a new (scalable) business case for web standards.

2006-02-03 Thread Jay Gilmore
Ben Bishop wrote: On 2/3/06, Jay Gilmore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I want to go beyond the argument of separation of information and presentation markup. What sort of resistance are you facing here? I.e. why are you arguing in the first place? The definition of argument I am

Re: [WSG] Call for a new (scalable) business case for web standards.

2006-02-03 Thread Ric Raftis
Jay Gilmore wrote et al.. I'm with you Jay. I live in a small rural community as well and my work comes by word of mouth. I can't start something up locally as most people in town don't even believe people use the internet!!! This is probably where a thread on a forum has more value

Re: [WSG] Call for a new (scalable) business case for web standards.

2006-02-03 Thread Joseph R. B. Taylor
In most instances, its not a case of trying to convince someone to change their ways, nor is it a case of trying to sell web standards. The real fact is that each and everyone of my clients knows that HTML exists, and that it has something to do with a webpage. My role when talking with them

Re: [WSG] Call for a new (scalable) business case for web standards.

2006-02-02 Thread Christian Montoya
On 2/2/06, Jay Gilmore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am looking for a way to make small business owners see that they have now sane alternative but to use web standards, not tell them they will be ahead of the curve or save $100/year on hosting. I'll think of more arguments later, but I can

Re: [WSG] Call for a new (scalable) business case for web standards.

2006-02-02 Thread Jay Gilmore
Christian, I wholeheartedly agree with you points but I want to go beyond the argument of separation of information and presentation markup. I am talking about coding using the whole of standards based documents. That portion is an easy sell. I am really talking about form and usage of

Re: [WSG] Call for a new (scalable) business case for web standards.

2006-02-02 Thread Joseph R. B. Taylor
A point I often bring up is that using standards ensures that anyone can jump in and work on the site (looking forward), the whole future-proofing issue, and my personal favorite thing to do is open up sites in Firefox and strip off all styles (in the web dev toolbar) to show them the squeaky

Re: [WSG] Call for a new (scalable) business case for web standards.

2006-02-02 Thread Ben Bishop
On 2/3/06, Jay Gilmore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I want to go beyond the argument of separation of information and presentation markup. What sort of resistance are you facing here? I.e. why are you arguing in the first place? That portion is an easy sell. I am really talking about form and usage of