Re: [WSG] Checking in as many browsers as possible
I just began having the same Firefox problem last night. Continues today. FF locks up. And no other browser running at same time. Seems to be recent issue. I was using all browsers - loaded and operating - last week (except cannot run NN7 and Mozilla at same time) FF worked fine then - no matter how many others were running. Now it locks up. Hmm! Will Jensen Moscow, Russia [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Dec 18, 2004, at 11:59 PM, Wayne Godfrey wrote: Ag!! Am I having Firefox problems because the latest Netscape is also on my Mac OSX (Panther) as well? The latest version of Firefox has been acting strangely ever since I installed Netscape (or thereabouts). I can't seem to quit Firefox without it remaining in the menu and is unusable without a reboot (I also get no force quit option on the dock) . It also, quite often, doesn't load any page on startup, though it is suppose to. If this is OT, I am sorry, but this has been driving me batty for a couple of weeks. I've searched for answers, but can't seem to find any. Any thoughts out there would be greatly appreciated. Wayne Godfrey Outgate Media, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED]> ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Checking in as many browsers as possible
Hi Wayne, Wayne Godfrey wrote: Am I having Firefox problems because the latest Netscape is also on my Mac OSX (Panther) as well? The latest version of Firefox has been acting strangely ever since I installed Netscape (or thereabouts). I can't seem to quit Firefox without it remaining in the menu and is unusable without a reboot (I also get no force quit option on the dock) . It also, quite often, doesn't load any page on startup, though it is suppose to. Create a new issue relating to your problem on Bugzilla [1]. Bugzilla is the official bug tracker for all Mozilla software. You could also make a post on the Mozillazine [2] official Firefox forums. Someone may have a solution to this issue. [1] http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/ [2] http://forums.mozillazine.org/ Tim ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Checking in as many browsers as possible
Wong Chin Shin wrote: Hi, In addition to making sure our codes adhere to standards, we also face the unenviable task of making sure they appear right in as many UAs are possible. Therefore, I reckon it's not too far off topic here when I ask what are the usual browsers to check against and how in tarnation do some of you guys manage to maintain so many of them. Simple answer: I don't :) I use http://www.browsercam.com, its got practically every UA and platform under the sun, the Remote Access feature is particularly useful HTH -David R ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Checking in as many browsers as possible
On 18 dec 2004, at 20.12, Wong Chin Shin wrote: I've never failed to be amazed when somebody does a site review listing test results with 10 UAs or more. How many machines do you have running in your cubicle?!?!? One. A PowerMac G4 running Mac OS X, with Virtual PC installed. I can run any browser for Mac OS 9, Mac OS X, Windows Me, 2000, or XP. I haven't installed any form of Linux, but you could do that as well, either directly on the Mac or on a Virtual PC disk image. Some advice for Windows users - don't bother with those Mac emulators that only let you run Mac OS 7.5, which was released in 1994. It's like checking your stuff in Windows 95. Spend some money on a used iMac or PowerMac G4 instead. It doesn't have to be very new - basically anything released after 1998 will do (just make sure it can run Mac OS X) - so it won't cost you a lot. /Roger -- http://www.456bereastreet.com/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Checking in as many browsers as possible
I was going to make a post about browsers also, but it fits directly into your post also... Is it necessary to test the same browser on different platforms (e.g. IE6 on Win2000 AND WinXP), or ok to just test all available windows browsers in XP? Tim ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Checking in as many browsers as possible
Will Jensen wrote: I just began having the same Firefox problem last night. Continues today. FF locks up. And no other browser running at same time. Not to state the obvious, but: have you created separate profile directories for each of the Gecko based browsers? It sounds like NN corrupted the current FF profile somehow. -- Patrick H. Lauke _ re·dux (adj.): brought back; returned. used postpositively [latin : re-, re- + dux, leader; see duke.] www.splintered.co.uk | www.photographia.co.uk http://redux.deviantart.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Checking in as many browsers as possible
Tim Burgan wrote: Is it necessary to test the same browser on different platforms (e.g. IE6 on Win2000 AND WinXP), or ok to just test all available windows browsers in XP? Believe it or not, sometime yes. I've had different results with IE5 on Win9x and WinXP (In truth, the CSS was a little sloppy and when I fixed it there weren't and noticeable differences). From what I read, the port of IE 5/Mac to OSX didn't go well; it's almost a different browser. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
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Some advice for Windows users - don't bother with those Mac emulators that only let you run Mac OS 7.5... If this is targeted to me, than thanks for advice, but don't be afraid, I'll try to run Panther via PearPC. And I'm going to buy an (i|Power)Book soon (I love it, but Mac is not much common here in Central Europe, only DTP ops and some designers have it). -- Jan Brasna :: alphanumeric.cz | webcore.cz | designlab.cz | janbrasna.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Checking in as many browsers as possible
I use http://www.browsercam.com, its got practically every UA Well, it's really good and useful service. However if you need to test the styles and edit them on-the-fly, it's a bit difficult. Anyways... it's still a great idea... -- Jan Brasna :: alphanumeric.cz | webcore.cz | designlab.cz | janbrasna.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Checking in as many browsers as possible
JohnyB wrote: I use http://www.browsercam.com, its got practically every UA Well, it's really good and useful service. However if you need to test the styles and edit them on-the-fly, it's a bit difficult. Anyways... it's still a great idea... Doesn't help it you need to test JavaScript or :hover. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
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Mordechai Peller wrote: From what I read, the port of IE 5/Mac to OSX didn't go well; it's almost a different browser. Indeed, you cannot compare IE5/Mac to IE5/Win, they were both developed independenly of each other... they use different rendering engines, and IE5/Mac was the first browser ever to support the entire CSS1 standard. So almost is inaapropriate, the term is completely ;) -David ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
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David R wrote: From what I read, the port of IE 5/Mac to OSX didn't go well; it's almost a different browser. Indeed, you cannot compare IE5/Mac to IE5/Win, they were both developed independenly of each other... they use different rendering engines, and IE5/Mac was the first browser ever to support the entire CSS1 standard. I wasn't comparing Mac to Win, but rather from 68K Macs to the current generation. But like I said, [from] IE 5/Mac not IE 5/Win. So almost is inaapropriate, the term is completely ;) Since in theory, IE 5/Mac 68K and IE 5/Mac OS X are the same browser, I thought almost was appropriate. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
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David R wrote: Wong Chin Shin wrote: ... and how in tarnation do some of you guys manage to maintain so many of them. Simple answer: I don't :) I use http://www.browsercam.com, its got practically every UA and platform under the sun, the Remote Access feature is particularly useful Browsercam is useful just to get an idea of how it looks, but only displays a limited part of larger pages, and provides no real interaction. Too much can slip away there, so I don't use it very often. My (slightly more complex) answer is that I use a couple of fast PCs running win2K-pro with Matrox 3-screen setups - and a few old PCs - on a simple 8-way LAN. From 3 to 12 different browsers/-versions up at one time during debugging, alongside a couple of editors based on HTML Tidy, and Notebook for CSS. 6 to 8 screens, to avoid confusion. Don't care too much about old browsers, unless I've got time for them and want some fun. Clients may also have a say in this... The browser-list is like this: - The latest Opera is standard, and a few older versions in the 7+ range for testing (the irregular ones). - New Gecko-browsers are in - Moz - NN7.2 - FF, but FF 1.0 is usually enough for testing (at the moment). A few older versions spread in the system. - Lynx (2.8.5) is useful, but I usually emulates that one in Opera. One click and I know what I need to know. - IE5 and IE6 comes last on the CSS testing-list - on separate PCs. Got some stand-alones too, but they are of little use on my system - too unstable. - NN4.8 and IE4 are here just to see that they can receive plain HTML. An iMac on its way in - tomorrow, so I'll get Safari - Omniweb - IE/Mac (maybe) under control in the future (I hope). Linux OS won't be included just yet. Next year - maybe. All the other variables are handled by helpful individuals who makes me aware of any too bad page-handlings in other browsers/OS. It's a 2-way relationship that beats most other solutions. There's simply too many things that can go wrong, to rely entirely on ones own setup. Note that I design web pages only as a hobby. My professional activities are focused on how to make browsers work properly. I can't do that through browsercam or similar services. I need hands on contact with the browser's inner core. Georg ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Checking in as many browsers as possible
Tim Burgan wrote: Is it necessary to test the same browser on different platforms (e.g. IE6 on Win2000 AND WinXP), or ok to just test all available windows browsers in XP? Depends whether you require pixel perfection or not. Fonts, including those standard with windoze that are often installed on other platforms (mswbfnts), get different leading according to OS that the browsers apparently have no direct control over. -- I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.John 14:6 NIV Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 Felix Miata *** http://members.ij.net/mrmazda/auth/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Checking in as many browsers as possible.
Dear all, a good example of a platform that gives certain fonts preferential treatment is the mac version of coloured form fields vs. microsoft version of the same code. Regards, Lee. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Checking in as many browsers as possible
Mordechai Peller wrote: Doesn't help it you need to test JavaScript or :hover. I use their Remote Access (custom version of VNC tied to their Terminal Server) tool, granted... there is some lag for updates, its good for most tasks -David -- ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Checking in as many browsers as possible
You can go down to netscape 4.7 here: http://channels.netscape.com/ns/browsers/archive.jsp Bennie On 12/18/2004 2:12:48 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, In addition to making sure our codes adhere to standards, we also face the unenviable task of making sure they appear right in as many UAs are possible. Therefore, I reckon it's not too far off topic here when I ask what are the usual browsers to check against and how in tarnation do some of you guys manage to maintain so many of them. 1) IE 6 (at least 3 versions of them?), IE 5.5, IE/Mac and below (I've got IE 6 but how do I install IE 5.5 and where do I find it?) 2) Mozilla/Firefox (no issue finding them here, but usually the install instructions advise us not to have more than 1 version of Mozilla etc) 3) Opera (only got the most recent version but they seem pretty consistent throughout the major revisions) 4) Netscape (anybody still got a copy of that ugly monster 4? I'd like to have it) 5) Konqueror 6) Epiphany 7) Safari (it's supposed to be based on Konqueror so I do my testing based on the results from Konqueror due to the lack of a Mac) 8) PDA UAs (got an IPaq, yay) I've never failed to be amazed when somebody does a site review listing test results with 10 UAs or more. How many ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
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I'll show my setup... 1) IE 6 (at least 3 versions of them?), IE 5.5, IE/Mac and below (I've got IE 6 but how do I install IE 5.5 and where do I find it?) IE 4.0, IE 5.01, IE 5.5, IE 6.0, planning IE/Mac via PearPC. http://www.skyzyx.com/archives/94.php 2) Mozilla/Firefox (no issue finding them here, but usually the install instructions advise us not to have more than 1 version of Mozilla etc) PH 0.5, FF 1.0, Moz 1.0, Moz 1.3, Moz 1.6 in different dirs 3) Opera (only got the most recent version but they seem pretty consistent throughout the major revisions) They aren't much consistent :'( Actually having 6.01, 7.00, 7.21, 7.23, 7.50, 7.54 4) Netscape (anybody still got a copy of that ugly monster 4? I'd like to have it) None, because it gets unsyled docs... http://browsers.evolt.org/?navigator/32bit 5) Konqueror 2.2.2, 3.3.2 6) Epiphany None. 7) Safari (it's supposed to be based on Konqueror so I do my testing based on the results from Konqueror due to the lack of a Mac) None, planning 1.2 via PearPC (or via buying an iBook). Safari 1.1+ (?) is slightly different from Konqueror. 8) PDA UAs (got an IPaq, yay) PocketIE on PPC2002 and WM2003, N6230, Opera SSR. How many machines do you have running in your cubicle? One. (Linux LiveCD, PearPC, VMWare... etc.) Well, actually I do not test with all of these browsers. I'm checking the results only in few of the latest... -- Jan Brasna :: alphanumeric.cz | webcore.cz | designlab.cz | janbrasna.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Checking in as many browsers as possible
Ag!! Am I having Firefox problems because the latest Netscape is also on my Mac OSX (Panther) as well? The latest version of Firefox has been acting strangely ever since I installed Netscape (or thereabouts). I can't seem to quit Firefox without it remaining in the menu and is unusable without a reboot (I also get no force quit option on the dock) . It also, quite often, doesn't load any page on startup, though it is suppose to. If this is OT, I am sorry, but this has been driving me batty for a couple of weeks. I've searched for answers, but can't seem to find any. Any thoughts out there would be greatly appreciated. Wayne Godfrey Outgate Media, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
