RE: [WSG] Forcing a vertical scrollbar in Firefox 3
> He who lives in a glass house etc, etc... Hi Paul, you're right and I'm sorry if my comment came across too negative. In fact, I was rather amused that Opera, which I value for its fight for standards compliance, was advertising a course on standard compliant HTML programming and doing such an annoying mistake. I am totally aware of where Fairfax' (and, in fact, also all our competitor's) websites are at re validation, hence my bowing to Opera for not having validation mistakes. Once you know what a backend process involves in a large company the task of bringing perfectly valid frontend code into the deployed site online is the true challenge. Cheers, Jens The information contained in this e-mail message and any accompanying files is or may be confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, any use, dissemination, reliance, forwarding, printing or copying of this e-mail or any attached files is unauthorised. This e-mail is subject to copyright. No part of it should be reproduced, adapted or communicated without the written consent of the copyright owner. If you have received this e-mail in error please advise the sender immediately by return e-mail or telephone and delete all copies. Fairfax does not guarantee the accuracy or completeness of any information contained in this e-mail or attached files. Internet communications are not secure, therefore Fairfax does not accept legal responsibility for the contents of this message or attached files. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Forcing a vertical scrollbar in Firefox 3
Paul wrote: "Lets keep it positive folks. It won't be pretty if we start assigning value to people by how their sites look through the validator." No kidding! I recently checked one page on my site and had 102 errors. Some could come along and say, "What a lousy job, I'll never hire nor recommend him!" Truth is, I had updated my cms and didn't check pages being valid as in general they are, but a bug in cms update made it wrap paragraph tags around my div's, which it hadn't before. I didn't notice for quite a while. Removing the p tags fixed errors. So judging would have been completely unfair and wrong... Bruce bkdesign - Original Message - From: "Paul Bennett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2008 9:44 PM Subject: RE: [WSG] Forcing a vertical scrollbar in Firefox 3 Hi Jen, Your comment may have come across as a bit more negative than it was intended, however: http://validator.w3.org/check?verbose=1&uri=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.fairfax.com.au%2Findex.ac (46 errors) He who lives in a glass house etc, etc... My opinion (and it is just that) is the we need to stop being so critical about trifling matters like this. I applaud Opera for their involvement in web standards and for their commitment to put a resource like this together even when it doesn't seem to offer a direct business benefit for them. Lets keep it positive folks. It won't be pretty if we start assigning value to people by how their sites look through the validator. Happy Friday :) Paul *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] Forcing a vertical scrollbar in Firefox 3
Hi Jen, Your comment may have come across as a bit more negative than it was intended, however: http://validator.w3.org/check?verbose=1&uri=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.fairfax.com.au%2Findex.ac (46 errors) He who lives in a glass house etc, etc... My opinion (and it is just that) is the we need to stop being so critical about trifling matters like this. I applaud Opera for their involvement in web standards and for their commitment to put a resource like this together even when it doesn't seem to offer a direct business benefit for them. Lets keep it positive folks. It won't be pretty if we start assigning value to people by how their sites look through the validator. Happy Friday :) Paul *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] Forcing a vertical scrollbar in Firefox 3
> Opera Web Standards Curriculum: http://www.opera.com/wsc/ It is interesting to note that they fail to follow the most basic web standard for implementing an image tag - specifying width and height - so that the page annoyingly jumps when the image is loaded. But heads up for only one validation error. Cheers, Jens The information contained in this e-mail message and any accompanying files is or may be confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, any use, dissemination, reliance, forwarding, printing or copying of this e-mail or any attached files is unauthorised. This e-mail is subject to copyright. No part of it should be reproduced, adapted or communicated without the written consent of the copyright owner. If you have received this e-mail in error please advise the sender immediately by return e-mail or telephone and delete all copies. Fairfax does not guarantee the accuracy or completeness of any information contained in this e-mail or attached files. Internet communications are not secure, therefore Fairfax does not accept legal responsibility for the contents of this message or attached files. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Forcing a vertical scrollbar in Firefox 3
Drawback is of course that only Mozilla based browsers understand this. On Fri, Jun 20, 2008 at 3:20 PM, Gregorio Espadas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I use: > > *html{ overflow:-moz-scrollbars-vertical; }* > > ... and it works fine for me :-) > > Gregorio Espadas > http://espadas.com.mx > > > > On Fri, Jun 20, 2008 at 8:04 AM, Алексей Тен <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> You should try >> >> html { overflow-y: scroll; } >> >> >> On Fri, Jun 20, 2008 at 16:53, Mark Voss <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> > I've always used: >> > >> > html{min-height:100.1%;} >> > >> > > > *** > List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm > Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm > Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > *** > *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] Forcing a vertical scrollbar in Firefox 3
> Mark Voss > html{min-height:100.2%;} even more subtle html { min-height: 100%; margin-bottom: 1px; } http://www.splintered.co.uk/experiments/49/ P Patrick H. Lauke Web Editor Enterprise & Development University of Salford Room 113, Faraday House Salford, Greater Manchester M5 4WT UK T +44 (0) 161 295 4779 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.salford.ac.uk A GREATER MANCHESTER UNIVERSITY *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Forcing a vertical scrollbar in Firefox 3
I use: *html{ overflow:-moz-scrollbars-vertical; }* ... and it works fine for me :-) Gregorio Espadas http://espadas.com.mx On Fri, Jun 20, 2008 at 8:04 AM, Алексей Тен <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > You should try > > html { overflow-y: scroll; } > > > On Fri, Jun 20, 2008 at 16:53, Mark Voss <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I've always used: > > > > html{min-height:100.1%;} > > > *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] Forcing a vertical scrollbar in Firefox 3
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] > html { overflow-y: scroll; } Ah, back in the days I tried it Opera wasn't playing ball. I now see that (at least Opera 9.5) understands this now. Good stuff. P Patrick H. Lauke Web Editor Enterprise & Development University of Salford Room 113, Faraday House Salford, Greater Manchester M5 4WT UK T +44 (0) 161 295 4779 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.salford.ac.uk A GREATER MANCHESTER UNIVERSITY *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Forcing a vertical scrollbar in Firefox 3
You should try html { overflow-y: scroll; } On Fri, Jun 20, 2008 at 16:53, Mark Voss <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I've always used: > > html{min-height:100.1%;} > > to force a vertical scroll-bar in Firefox for fixed width sites that are > centred in the browser window - it stops them jumping sideways when you > navigate between pages that are longer and shorter than the viewport. > > With the release of Firefox 3 however, I've found that this no longer works > and I need to increase the minimum height percentage slightly: > > html{min-height:100.2%;} > > does the trick! > _ > > Regards, > Mark Voss > > > > > *** > List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm > Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm > Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > *** > > -- Алексей *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***