RE: [WSG] HTML/CSS reference
I agree ... Bulletproof Web Design is highly recommended. Dan -Original Message- From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On Behalf Of Jon Reece Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2011 8:05 PM To: wsg Subject: Re: [WSG] HTML/CSS reference They may be a little old comparatively, but Bulletproof Web Design and Handcrafted CSS (both by Dan Cederholm) helped me in a big way. - Jon On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 6:56 PM, Andrew Staff andrew.st...@zebraweb.com.au wrote: Hello all, I was wondering if anyone on this distribution list would have a recommendation for a great HTML/CSS reference bible? I've been web developing for over 10 years but only in the last 2 have I got heavier into the HTML and CSS side of things and I'd class myself as an intermediate in terms of knowledge so not looking for a starters/beginners/HTML for dummies type of reference but more a in depth, tips and tricks for layout, cross-browser compatibility tips, do's and don'ts, etc. I have a load of web references and enjoy the links for light reading however am after a book that I can take with me on my commute and have as a reference when needed at work etc. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Kind Regards Andrew *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** LEXI-COMP CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The information in this electronic mail is intended for the named recipients only. Any use of this information by anyone other than the intended receiver is prohibited. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, copying, or other use of this message or its attachments is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately by replying to this electronic e-mail or by calling 330-650-6506. Please delete it from your computer. Thank you. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] HTML/CSS reference
I was unable to find any contact information on that site... Without weighing in on the substance of what w3fools.com itself is saying, I'd suggest the substantialish list of twitter usernames under From at the top of the page might constitute a good starting point for making contact... :P http://w3fools.com/#contributors I'm curious to know which one you would pick? Because I doubt all these people have access to the site to make changes. In any case, that's not what I call contact information. I'm ok to send feedback to a web site if it is an easy task for me, but not if it requires me to do any guessing (and that includes CAPTCHA), or to register, etc. -- Regards, Thierry @thierrykoblentz www.tjkdesign.com | www.ez-css.org | www.css-101.org *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
RE: [WSG] HTML/CSS reference
Hard Boiled Web Design (Andy Clarke) is good. It's also quite light-hearted. -Original Message- From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On Behalf Of Dan Freeman Sent: Wednesday, 6 April 2011 11:08 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: RE: [WSG] HTML/CSS reference I agree ... Bulletproof Web Design is highly recommended. Dan -Original Message- From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On Behalf Of Jon Reece Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2011 8:05 PM To: wsg Subject: Re: [WSG] HTML/CSS reference They may be a little old comparatively, but Bulletproof Web Design and Handcrafted CSS (both by Dan Cederholm) helped me in a big way. - Jon On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 6:56 PM, Andrew Staff andrew.st...@zebraweb.com.au wrote: Hello all, I was wondering if anyone on this distribution list would have a recommendation for a great HTML/CSS reference bible? I've been web developing for over 10 years but only in the last 2 have I got heavier into the HTML and CSS side of things and I'd class myself as an intermediate in terms of knowledge so not looking for a starters/beginners/HTML for dummies type of reference but more a in depth, tips and tricks for layout, cross-browser compatibility tips, do's and don'ts, etc. I have a load of web references and enjoy the links for light reading however am after a book that I can take with me on my commute and have as a reference when needed at work etc. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Kind Regards Andrew *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** LEXI-COMP CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The information in this electronic mail is intended for the named recipients only. Any use of this information by anyone other than the intended receiver is prohibited. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, copying, or other use of this message or its attachments is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately by replying to this electronic e-mail or by calling 330-650-6506. Please delete it from your computer. Thank you. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] HTML/CSS reference
A lot of personal opinion here... but try these books: Stunning CSS3 by Zoe Gilenwater The CSS Anthology by Rachel Andrew Designing with CSS by Andy Clarke Transcending CSS by Andy Clarke http://www.transcendingcss.com/ The Ultimate CSS reference by Tommy Olsson Paul O’Brien Building your own website the right way using HTML and CSS By Ian Lloyd One to avoid, as I have heard the author was on crack while writing it: CSS in Ten minutes by Russ Weakley :) On 06/04/2011, at 8:56 AM, Andrew Staff wrote: Hello all, I was wondering if anyone on this distribution list would have a recommendation for a great HTML/CSS reference bible? I’ve been web developing for over 10 years but only in the last 2 have I got heavier into the HTML and CSS side of things and I’d class myself as an intermediate in terms of knowledge so not looking for a starters/beginners/HTML for dummies type of reference but more a in depth, tips and tricks for layout, cross-browser compatibility tips, do’s and don’ts, etc. I have a load of web references and enjoy the links for light reading however am after a book that I can take with me on my commute and have as a reference when needed at work etc. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Kind Regards Andrew *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] HTML/CSS reference
Shameless! ;-) Sent from my iPad On 6 Apr 2011, at 00:20, Russ Weakley r...@maxdesign.com.au wrote: A lot of personal opinion here... but try these books: Stunning CSS3 by Zoe Gilenwater The CSS Anthology by Rachel Andrew Designing with CSS by Andy Clarke Transcending CSS by Andy Clarke http://www.transcendingcss.com/ The Ultimate CSS reference by Tommy Olsson Paul O’Brien Building your own website the right way using HTML and CSS By Ian Lloyd One to avoid, as I have heard the author was on crack while writing it: CSS in Ten minutes by Russ Weakley :) On 06/04/2011, at 8:56 AM, Andrew Staff wrote: Hello all, I was wondering if anyone on this distribution list would have a recommendation for a great HTML/CSS reference bible? I’ve been web developing for over 10 years but only in the last 2 have I got heavier into the HTML and CSS side of things and I’d class myself as an intermediate in terms of knowledge so not looking for a starters/beginners/HTML for dummies type of reference but more a in depth, tips and tricks for layout, cross-browser compatibility tips, do’s and don’ts, etc. I have a load of web references and enjoy the links for light reading however am after a book that I can take with me on my commute and have as a reference when needed at work etc. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Kind Regards Andrew *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] HTML/CSS reference
They may be a little old comparatively, but Bulletproof Web Design and Handcrafted CSS (both by Dan Cederholm) helped me in a big way. - Jon On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 6:56 PM, Andrew Staff andrew.st...@zebraweb.com.au wrote: Hello all, I was wondering if anyone on this distribution list would have a recommendation for a great HTML/CSS reference bible? I’ve been web developing for over 10 years but only in the last 2 have I got heavier into the HTML and CSS side of things and I’d class myself as an intermediate in terms of knowledge so not looking for a starters/beginners/HTML for dummies type of reference but more a in depth, tips and tricks for layout, cross-browser compatibility tips, do’s and don’ts, etc. I have a load of web references and enjoy the links for light reading however am after a book that I can take with me on my commute and have as a reference when needed at work etc. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Kind Regards Andrew *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
RE: [WSG] HTML/CSS reference
Hey fellow Web Developer also named Andrew! The Ultimate HTML Reference (SitePoint) by Ian Lloyd - http://reference.sitepoint.com/htmlThe Ultimate CSS Reference (SitePoint) Tommy Olsson Paul O'Brien - http://reference.sitepoint.com/css (this is the one that Russ mentioned) You can get them both in hardback (and eBook format from SitePoint - http://www.sitepoint.com) but the online references are more up to date and have been amended to include errata and so on. I hope they're of use to you (I'm confident they will be!). All the best, Andrew Cooper From: andrew.st...@zebraweb.com.au To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: [WSG] HTML/CSS reference Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2011 08:56:48 +1000 Hello all, I was wondering if anyone on this distribution list would have a recommendation for a great HTML/CSS reference bible? I’ve been web developing for over 10 years but only in the last 2 have I got heavier into the HTML and CSS side of things and I’d class myself as an intermediate in terms of knowledge so not looking for a starters/beginners/HTML for dummies type of reference but more a in depth, tips and tricks for layout, cross-browser compatibility tips, do’s and don’ts, etc. I have a load of web references and enjoy the links for light reading however am after a book that I can take with me on my commute and have as a reference when needed at work etc. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Kind RegardsAndrew *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] HTML/CSS reference
Oh come on. Surely you cannot dispute http://www.w3schools.com/ for the basics. Even after all of these years. The fundamental concepts work. Kev http://.hotels-london-hoteks.com From: Andrew Staff Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2011 11:56 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: [WSG] HTML/CSS reference Hello all, I was wondering if anyone on this distribution list would have a recommendation for a great HTML/CSS reference bible? I’ve been web developing for over 10 years but only in the last 2 have I got heavier into the HTML and CSS side of things and I’d class myself as an intermediate in terms of knowledge so not looking for a starters/beginners/HTML for dummies type of reference but more a in depth, tips and tricks for layout, cross-browser compatibility tips, do’s and don’ts, etc. I have a load of web references and enjoy the links for light reading however am after a book that I can take with me on my commute and have as a reference when needed at work etc. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Kind Regards Andrew *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** This email has been scanned by Netintelligence http://www.netintelligence.com/email *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] HTML/CSS reference
On Wed, 6 Apr 2011, Kevin Ireson wrote: Oh come on. Surely you cannot dispute http://www.w3schools.com/ for the basics. Even after all of these years. The fundamental concepts work. I wouldn't trust w3schools.com (note that it has nothing to do with the W3C) after looking at their HTML tutorial: http://cfajohnson.com/torontowebdesign/w3schools/ Kev http://.hotels-london-hoteks.com From: Andrew Staff Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2011 11:56 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: [WSG] HTML/CSS reference Hello all, I was wondering if anyone on this distribution list would have a recommendation for a great HTML/CSS reference bible? I’ve been web developing for over 10 years but only in the last 2 have I got heavier into the HTML and CSS side of things and I’d class myself as an intermediate in terms of knowledge so not looking for a starters/beginners/HTML for dummies type of reference but more a in depth, tips and tricks for layout, cross-browser compatibility tips, do’s and don’ts, etc. I have a load of web references and enjoy the links for light reading however am after a book that I can take with me on my commute and have as a reference when needed at work etc. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Kind Regards Andrew *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** This email has been scanned by Netintelligence http://www.netintelligence.com/email *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** -- Chris F.A. Johnson, http://cfajohnson.com/ Author: Pro Bash Programming: Scripting the GNU/Linux Shell (2009, Apress) Shell Scripting Recipes: A Problem-Solution Approach (2005, Apress) *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
RE: [WSG] HTML/CSS reference
Chris wrote: On Wed, 6 Apr 2011, Kevin Ireson wrote: Oh come on. Surely you cannot dispute http://www.w3schools.com/ for the basics. Even after all of these years. The fundamental concepts work. I wouldn't trust w3schools.com (note that it has nothing to do with the W3C) after looking at their HTML tutorial: http://cfajohnson.com/torontowebdesign/w3schools/ You say (on that page): The alt attribute is mandatory, not just good practice. It's not, you know. For decorative images, it's not even recommended. Kerry --- This email, and any attachments, may be confidential and also privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender and delete all copies of this transmission along with any attachments immediately. You should not copy or use it for any purpose, nor disclose its contents to any other person. --- *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
RE: [WSG] HTML/CSS reference
On Wed, 6 Apr 2011, Webb, KerryA wrote: Chris wrote: On Wed, 6 Apr 2011, Kevin Ireson wrote: Oh come on. Surely you cannot dispute http://www.w3schools.com/ for the basics. Even after all of these years. The fundamental concepts work. I wouldn't trust w3schools.com (note that it has nothing to do with the W3C) after looking at their HTML tutorial: http://cfajohnson.com/torontowebdesign/w3schools/ You say (on that page): The alt attribute is mandatory, not just good practice. It's not, you know. For decorative images, it's not even recommended. Try validating a page that has an IMG without an ALT attribute! The attribute may be empty, but it MUST be there. -- Chris F.A. Johnson, http://cfajohnson.com/ Author: Pro Bash Programming: Scripting the GNU/Linux Shell (2009, Apress) Shell Scripting Recipes: A Problem-Solution Approach (2005, Apress) *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] HTML/CSS reference
I wouldn't trust w3schools.com (note that it has nothing to do with the W3C) after looking at their HTML tutorial: http://cfajohnson.com/torontowebdesign/w3schools/ There is also this site which takes issue with W3schools: http://w3fools.com/ Personally, I think the approach taken by w3fools is a little too aggressive and emotional. Though they have relevant concerns, they use phrases like the site lies, blatantly false etc. The things is, it is easy for anyone to make mistakes. The W3fools site also have some minor issues in their own statements, which is kinda ironic. Anyway... each to their own. :) Russ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] HTML/CSS reference
On 4/5/11 7:31 PM, Webb, KerryA wrote: You say (on that page): The alt attribute is mandatory, not just good practice. It's not, you know. For decorative images, it's not even recommended. via http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/struct/objects.html#edef-IMG -- src %URI; #REQUIRED -- URI of image to embed -- alt %Text; #REQUIRED -- short description -- Learning to read the specs should be encouraged, I'd say. -- Hassan Schroeder - has...@webtuitive.com webtuitive design === (+1) 408-621-3445 === http://webtuitive.com http://about.me/hassanschroeder twitter: @hassan dream. code. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
RE: [WSG] HTML/CSS reference
On 4/5/11 7:31 PM, Webb, KerryA wrote: You say (on that page): The alt attribute is mandatory, not just good practice. It's not, you know. For decorative images, it's not even recommended. via http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/struct/objects.html#edef-IMG -- src %URI; #REQUIRED -- URI of image to embed -- alt %Text; #REQUIRED -- short description -- Learning to read the specs should be encouraged, I'd say. I stand corrected. Kerry --- This email, and any attachments, may be confidential and also privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender and delete all copies of this transmission along with any attachments immediately. You should not copy or use it for any purpose, nor disclose its contents to any other person. --- *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] HTML/CSS reference
There is also this site which takes issue with W3schools: http://w3fools.com/ Personally, I think the approach taken by w3fools is a little too aggressive and emotional. Though they have relevant concerns, they use phrases like the site lies, blatantly false etc. I agree The things is, it is easy for anyone to make mistakes. The W3fools site also have some minor issues in their own statements, which is kinda ironic. Anyway... each to their own. :) As you say, they get a few things wrong themselves, but I don't think they really want to know as I was unable to find any contact information on that site... -- Regards, Thierry @thierrykoblentz www.tjkdesign.com | www.ez-css.org | www.css-101.org *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] HTML/CSS reference
You say (on that page): The alt attribute is mandatory, not just good practice. It's not, you know. For decorative images, it's not even recommended. For decorative images authors should use empty alt text (alt=). Most screen-readers read the src value if they can't find a alt attribute. -- Regards, Thierry @thierrykoblentz www.tjkdesign.com | www.ez-css.org | www.css-101.org *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] HTML/CSS reference
I was wondering if anyone on this distribution list would have a recommendation for a great HTML/CSS reference bible? Not a great reference bible, but it may help to better understand CSS as it allows users to try things by themselves to figure out how things work. http://www.css-101.org /shameless plug -- Regards, Thierry @thierrykoblentz www.tjkdesign.com | www.ez-css.org | www.css-101.org *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] HTML/CSS reference
On 06/04/2011, at 3:09 PM, Thierry wrote: I was unable to find any contact information on that site... Without weighing in on the substance of what w3fools.com itself is saying, I'd suggest the substantialish list of twitter usernames under From at the top of the page might constitute a good starting point for making contact... :P http://w3fools.com/#contributors Josh *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
