Re: [WSG] What do browsers download?

2004-06-30 Thread Chris Stratford
Im not 100% sure... but here is what I think a browser would download, in what order.. 1st it would download the HTML code... then any Images in the document... then the DTD... then the Stylesheets... then the Stylesheet images... then 3rd party gear - flash, java, other applets and mods... just

Re: [WSG] What do browsers download?

2004-06-30 Thread t94xr.net.nz webmaster
this may sound like a stupid answer but wouldnt it be like an html page of somesort. t94xr http://www.t94xr.net.nz/ * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on

Re: [WSG] What do browsers download?

2004-06-30 Thread John Horner
here is what I think a browser would download, in what order.. [snip] The only real problem with that is the phrase a browser. Different browsers will almost certainly do it differently. Your theory certainly makes sense and maybe someone will do the experiment in more detail. I'd love to do

Re: [WSG] What do browsers download?

2004-06-30 Thread Mordechai Peller
John Horner wrote: So, the question is, what does the browser actually do? Three developers, discussing this, came up with different answers. Does it download only the images required for that page, download all images, or does it download the ones needed right away and the others in the

Re: [WSG] What do browsers download?

2004-06-30 Thread Chris Blown
As stated, it is very much browser dependant. I use Firefox for daily browsing and I like to load pages in background tabs. I was surprised when I first noticed that switching to a tab Firefox would then fetch CSS images ( unless cached ). If you are really keen on the ordering of http requests

Re: [WSG] What do browsers download?

2004-06-29 Thread Tim Lucas
John Horner spoke the following wise words on 30/06/2004 10:01 AM EST: But these days of course it has to fetch the associated CSS files and add them -- but wait, there's more, as they say, it should also fetch any images called by the style sheet and add them to the total. Which is when the

Re: [WSG] What do browsers download?

2004-06-29 Thread Nick Gleitzman
On Wednesday, June 30, 2004, at 10:43 AM, Tim Lucas wrote: I know that for Gecko based browsers background images defined in stylesheets (inline or linked) are deferred from loading until they are asked to display themselves. This also helps because many style sheet rules containing images

Re: [WSG] What do browsers download?

2004-06-29 Thread John Horner
In contrast, I've noticed that images called by css files (as div backgrounds) *all* download in IE and Safari on Mac (not sure about IEWin) That's interesting. My research found that only IE on Mac has this problem, that is, it downloads and caches all the images referenced in a stylesheet,

Re: [WSG] What do browsers download?

2004-06-29 Thread James Ellis
John Whenever I've been forced to test IE5 Mac I've found it to be unreasonably slow - the rendering engine is a dud compared to other browsers. I'm sure it was cutting edge 3-5 years ago but not now. Safari is much faster and better but it tends to have a pretty fierce cache (like Opera), as I

Re: [WSG] What do browsers download?

2004-06-29 Thread John Horner
You mention an ABC internal standard of less than 60kb filesize. How does this work with dynamic pages? There are relatively few dynamic pages on the ABC website, so it doesn't often come up, but of course I'd expect things like search results to be arranged using some sort of paging, with