Re: [WSG] ive given up on css

2007-05-17 Thread David Hucklesby
On Wed, 16 May 2007 10:28:41 +0100, kevin mcmonagle wrote: Today i just told them to go back to using table based layouts and i will restrict my designs accordingly- i cant listen to the whining anymore. What would you have done in this situation? I just tell clients I have no knowledge

Re: [WSG] ive given up on css

2007-05-17 Thread David Hucklesby
On Wed, 16 May 2007 10:28:41 +0100, kevin mcmonagle wrote: Today i just told them to go back to using table based layouts and i will restrict my designs accordingly- i cant listen to the whining anymore. What would you have done in this situation? I just tell clients I have no knowledge

Re: [WSG] ive given up on css

2007-05-17 Thread Matheus Neves
i´m an old school webdesigner by old i mean, i tryed to use cs1.0, some dhtml ans i used to rock on flash3.0 .by those days i gave up on internet, nobody was willing to pay someone an honest amout of money to work with that. (i live in brazil). In the last ten years i created about 10 websites

Re: [WSG] ive given up on css

2007-05-16 Thread Matthew Pennell
On 5/16/07, kevin mcmonagle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What would you have done in this situation? Take off and nuke them from orbit - it's the only way to be sure. ;) *** List Guidelines:

Re: [WSG] ive given up on css

2007-05-16 Thread Nick Gleitzman
On 16 May 2007, at 7:28 PM, kevin mcmonagle wrote: What would you have done in this situation? Find another client - or risk sounding like a whiner yourself. At the end of the day, you can give clients informed choice, but you can't *make* them follow your advice. If they can't see the

Re: [WSG] ive given up on css

2007-05-16 Thread Regnard Kreisler C. Raquedan
Ouch. I had a similar situation where the client just won't listen-- They wanted to integrate a part of an old website to a new one that I did that looks *exactly* as is. I followed what they wanted and now they have a mish-mash of junk code. On 5/16/07, kevin mcmonagle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Re: [WSG] ive given up on css

2007-05-16 Thread Robert O'Rourke
Regnard Kreisler C. Raquedan wrote: Ouch. I had a similar situation where the client just won't listen-- They wanted to integrate a part of an old website to a new one that I did that looks *exactly* as is. I followed what they wanted and now they have a mish-mash of junk code. On 5/16/07,

Re: [WSG] ive given up on css

2007-05-16 Thread Nick Fitzsimons
On 16 May 2007, at 12:49:46, Robert O'Rourke wrote: Here's a link to put a smile on your face anyway, old school web design studio at it's best: http://www.wizwebz.co.uk ... (I kinda like it for some inexplicable reason) Ouch! Of course, you can implement a design from the classic web

Re: [WSG] ive given up on css

2007-05-16 Thread Nick Gleitzman
On 16 May 2007, at 11:28 PM, Nick Fitzsimons wrote: http://www.wizwebz.co.uk ... http://csszengarden.com/?cssfile=http://www.brucelawson.co.uk/zen/ sample.css OK, enough - I quit. How can I possibly compete with these world-class designers? N ___ omnivision.

Re: [WSG] ive given up on css

2007-05-16 Thread Bruce Gilbert
On 5/16/07, Ben Dodson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here's a link to put a smile on your face anyway, old school web design studio at it's best: http://www.wizwebz.co.uk ... (I kinda like it for some inexplicable reason) last updated their home page in 2000. That is old school!

Re: [WSG] ive given up on css

2007-05-16 Thread Robert O'Rourke
Nick Gleitzman wrote: On 16 May 2007, at 11:28 PM, Nick Fitzsimons wrote: http://www.wizwebz.co.uk ... http://csszengarden.com/?cssfile=http://www.brucelawson.co.uk/zen/sample.css OK, enough - I quit. How can I possibly compete with these world-class designers? N It's a tall order

Re: [WSG] ive given up on css

2007-05-16 Thread Rob Wilmshurst
I hope prospective clients don't view source and see it's really all created by Cool Page - easier than frontpage and dreamweaver apparently! They could lose a few clients... http://www.coolpage.com/cpg.html Apparently, it runs 'dynamicGoo' technology ... 0_o -RW. -- Rob Wilmshurst [EMAIL

Re: [WSG] ive given up on css

2007-05-16 Thread Chris Williams
And THAT web page was last updated 5 years ago... From: Rob Wilmshurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [WSG] ive given up on css http://www.coolpage.com/cpg.html *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail

Re: [WSG] ive given up on css

2007-05-16 Thread Susan Grossman
Today i just told them to go back to using table based layouts and i will restrict my designs accordingly- i cant listen to the whining anymore. What would you have done in this situation? Back to your original topic - the client is always right in the end. You can present white papers and

Re: [WSG] ive given up on css

2007-05-16 Thread Robert O'Rourke
Susan Grossman wrote: Today i just told them to go back to using table based layouts and i will restrict my designs accordingly- i cant listen to the whining anymore. What would you have done in this situation? Back to your original topic - the client is always right in the

Re: [WSG] ive given up on css

2007-05-16 Thread kevin mcmonagle
I think in your situation though it's the choice of your client as to their code. Find another client - or risk sounding like a whiner yourself. At the end of the day, you can give clients informed choice... Good advice: I dont want to come off as a whiner because thats not what i would

Re: [WSG] ive given up on css

2007-05-16 Thread dwain
Robert O'Rourke wrote: Susan Grossman wrote: Today i just told them to go back to using table based layouts and i will restrict my designs accordingly- i cant listen to the whining anymore. What would you have done in this situation? Back to your original topic - the

RE: [WSG] ive given up on css

2007-05-16 Thread Geoff Pack
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Re: [WSG] ive given up on css

2007-05-16 Thread Ben Buchanan
Today i just told them to go back to using table based layouts and i will restrict my designs accordingly- i cant listen to the whining anymore. What would you have done in this situation? Well I'm not a designer so this is a bit speculative - but with that sort of situation I'd probably stop