Re: [WSG] transparency, png IE6 ??

2008-06-17 Thread Michael Persson
I have tried this option and it works on ONE image only, having more 
than one PNG

does not give transparency, so its not a good solution either...

I will just go back to gifs and make a background of the image behind to 
cut the out line
with expand 1px, that always work and save struggling time with 
incompetent web browsers..


When will we ever have some standards and make websites for todays users!!!

Thanks all anyways

Michael


Essential eBiz Solutions Ltd wrote:

Even that site resource advise's to use the htc approach. I use this on a
number of website and it works really well. I attach it to a style sheet for
IE6 or below that way my CSS still passes validation.

http://bjorkoy.com/past/2007/4/8/the_easiest_way_to_png/


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Subject: RE: [WSG] transparency, png IE6 ??

 
  

Does anyone have a clever full functional solution for this


transparency crap to make work ?

I know it's a rather old thread but I just came across a nice solution
which does not even need an iepngfix.htc Javascript.

One template I work on required a semitransparent background. I have it
working nicely cross-browser (FF, IE6, IE7) with the following:

CSS:

.className {background:transparent url('img/707070_90pc.png') repeat 0
0} /* The 'pc' indicates the opacity, 90% here */
* html .className
{background:none;filter:progid:DXImageTransform.Microsoft.AlphaImageLoad
er(enabled=true, sizingMethod=scale,
src='css/skin-travel/img/707070_90pc.png')}

The first line if for standards-compliant browsers, the second one for
IE6 only.

Image:

You'll also need the PNG image. Here's the magic: Usually a PNG image
used with the proprietary filter overlays any links and renders them
unclickable. But I found a website [1] which offers a fix: You have to
use a certain image size, then IE6 allows clickable links. 


So I made the PNG just 10x2 pixels (wXh).

That's it. The site's not live yet, so I cannot offer a link.

Cheers,
 
Jens 


[1] http://www.daltonlp.com/view/217

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Re: [WSG] transparency, png IE6 ??

2008-06-17 Thread David Hucklesby
On Tue, 17 Jun 2008 11:38:21 +0300, Michael Persson wrote:
 I have tried this option and it works on ONE image only, having more than one 
 PNG
 does not give transparency, so its not a good solution either...

 I will just go back to gifs and make a background of the image behind to cut 
 the out
 line
 with expand 1px, that always work and save struggling time with incompetent 
 web
 browsers..


Not sure exactly what you are trying to achieve here Michael.
But if you are happy using the limited 8-bit palette of GIFs, you
might consider 8-bit PNGs instead. They are a lot more versatile,
as this Sitepoint article explains:

http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2008/03/20/making-ie6-friendly-png8-images/

Cordially,
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RE: [WSG] transparency, png IE6 ??

2008-06-16 Thread Jens-Uwe Korff
 
 Does anyone have a clever full functional solution for this
transparency crap to make work ?

I know it's a rather old thread but I just came across a nice solution
which does not even need an iepngfix.htc Javascript.

One template I work on required a semitransparent background. I have it
working nicely cross-browser (FF, IE6, IE7) with the following:

CSS:

.className {background:transparent url('img/707070_90pc.png') repeat 0
0} /* The 'pc' indicates the opacity, 90% here */
* html .className
{background:none;filter:progid:DXImageTransform.Microsoft.AlphaImageLoad
er(enabled=true, sizingMethod=scale,
src='css/skin-travel/img/707070_90pc.png')}

The first line if for standards-compliant browsers, the second one for
IE6 only.

Image:

You'll also need the PNG image. Here's the magic: Usually a PNG image
used with the proprietary filter overlays any links and renders them
unclickable. But I found a website [1] which offers a fix: You have to
use a certain image size, then IE6 allows clickable links. 

So I made the PNG just 10x2 pixels (wXh).

That's it. The site's not live yet, so I cannot offer a link.

Cheers,
 
Jens 

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RE: [WSG] transparency, png IE6 ??

2008-06-16 Thread Essential eBiz Solutions Ltd
Even that site resource advise's to use the htc approach. I use this on a
number of website and it works really well. I attach it to a style sheet for
IE6 or below that way my CSS still passes validation.

http://bjorkoy.com/past/2007/4/8/the_easiest_way_to_png/


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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Jens-Uwe Korff
Sent: 17 June 2008 00:50
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: RE: [WSG] transparency, png IE6 ??

 
 Does anyone have a clever full functional solution for this
transparency crap to make work ?

I know it's a rather old thread but I just came across a nice solution
which does not even need an iepngfix.htc Javascript.

One template I work on required a semitransparent background. I have it
working nicely cross-browser (FF, IE6, IE7) with the following:

CSS:

.className {background:transparent url('img/707070_90pc.png') repeat 0
0} /* The 'pc' indicates the opacity, 90% here */
* html .className
{background:none;filter:progid:DXImageTransform.Microsoft.AlphaImageLoad
er(enabled=true, sizingMethod=scale,
src='css/skin-travel/img/707070_90pc.png')}

The first line if for standards-compliant browsers, the second one for
IE6 only.

Image:

You'll also need the PNG image. Here's the magic: Usually a PNG image
used with the proprietary filter overlays any links and renders them
unclickable. But I found a website [1] which offers a fix: You have to
use a certain image size, then IE6 allows clickable links. 

So I made the PNG just 10x2 pixels (wXh).

That's it. The site's not live yet, so I cannot offer a link.

Cheers,
 
Jens 

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Re: [WSG] transparency, png IE6 ??

2008-06-16 Thread Korny Sietsma
... and all of them ultimately rely on AlphaImageLoader, which (as I
mentioned elsewhere) runs the risk of the sort of problems discussed
at http://blogs.cozi.com/tech/2008/03/transparent-png.html?cid=106552420

- Korny

On Tue, Jun 17, 2008 at 10:57 AM, Jens-Uwe Korff
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I attach [the htc approach ] to a style sheet for IE6 or below[,] that
 way my CSS still passes validation.

 Good point which I didn't mention explicitly. However, not using the HTC
 approach reduces your HTTP requests by one which might be interesting in
 terms of optimising your site for speed.

 Cheers,

 Jens

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Re: [WSG] transparency, png IE6 ??

2008-06-16 Thread Caleb Wong
I used a javascript call IE7.

And it works in IE6.

http://code.google.com/p/ie7-js/

On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 10:04 PM, Michael Persson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 HI people,

 I have tried to not use transparency for years as it is not working IE6
 properly.

 I have not a situation where i need it and there is no way out, I have
 tried some
 tricks and there are some that works half way to the full solution.

 There is a solution with a js file called htc somethnig where i get the
 transparency
 working but only in one of the images i need them to appear.


 Does anyone have a clever full functional solution for this transparency
 crap
 to make work ?

 I have grey hair already but its starting to fall of soon...


 Michael in Athens


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Re: [WSG] transparency, png IE6 ??

2008-06-16 Thread Spirit Q.9 Gaming
http://spirit.q9-gaming.com/en/?p=37

A re-arranged article about that.

On Tue, Jun 17, 2008 at 11:39 AM, Caleb Wong [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I used a javascript call IE7.

 And it works in IE6.

 http://code.google.com/p/ie7-js/

 On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 10:04 PM, Michael Persson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 HI people,

 I have tried to not use transparency for years as it is not working IE6
 properly.

 I have not a situation where i need it and there is no way out, I have
 tried some
 tricks and there are some that works half way to the full solution.

 There is a solution with a js file called htc somethnig where i get the
 transparency
 working but only in one of the images i need them to appear.


 Does anyone have a clever full functional solution for this transparency
 crap
 to make work ?

 I have grey hair already but its starting to fall of soon...


 Michael in Athens


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Re: [WSG] transparency, png IE6 ??

2008-06-12 Thread Korny Sietsma
SuperSleigh seems to use a very similar method to iepngfix.htc (which
I think Michael indicated he is using?) - we're using iepngfix and it
seems to handle most situations, though both solutions are limited to
what the microsoft AlphaImageLoader filter can do.

But yes, there are some tricky situations - especially if you are
building content via javascript or ajax.  And as far as I can tell
setting opacity (other than 1 or 0) on a transparent png just doesn't
work at all.

- Korny

On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 10:36 PM, Andrew McGrath
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 theres no clean solution that i'm aware of...but this is a common issue, so
 i'm certain there is plenty of tips and tricks out there to help you get
 around the problem you are faced with.

 http://24ways.org/2007/supersleight-transparent-png-in-ie6

 the above link provides some /interesting/ info, i don't claim to know a lot
 about this topic in particular however this page essentially summarized what
 i already knew...so maybe it will help.

  Good luck!

 2008/6/10 Michael Persson [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 HI people,

 I have tried to not use transparency for years as it is not working IE6
 properly.

 I have not a situation where i need it and there is no way out, I have
 tried some
 tricks and there are some that works half way to the full solution.

 There is a solution with a js file called htc somethnig where i get the
 transparency
 working but only in one of the images i need them to appear.


 Does anyone have a clever full functional solution for this transparency
 crap
 to make work ?

 I have grey hair already but its starting to fall of soon...


 Michael in Athens


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Re: [WSG] transparency, png IE6?? Screen Resolution

2008-06-12 Thread Korny Sietsma
The linked article at
http://blogs.cozi.com/tech/2008/03/transparent-png.html?cid=106552420
is especially scary - AlphaImageLoader causing browser crashes? Ow.
And those guys had direct contacts inside Microsoft.

I'm not completely sure of the benefit of using png8 over using png32
for all browsers, and using gifs for ie6 and below.  It is a tad more
work to do ie6-specific style sheets and ie6-specific images; but
presumably the png32 images will look nicer for all other users.  YMMV
of course.

- Korny

On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 4:11 PM, David Hucklesby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Tue, 10 Jun 2008 13:49:43 +0100, Stewart Griffiths wrote:

 However, within Fireworks you can also export png's as a png8, which 
 provides a palette
 based colour model (like gif's) and which many believe only offers a 1 bit 
 transparency
 option. However, if we play with some of the settings we are able to offer 
 similar semi-
 transparency colors as a png32.


 Yes.

 More on that technique here:
  http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2007/09/18/png8-the-clear-winner/

 ... with some ideas for improving appearance in IE 6 here:
  http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2008/03/20/making-ie6-friendly-png8-images/


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Re: [WSG] transparency, png IE6?? Screen Resolution

2008-06-11 Thread David Hucklesby
On Tue, 10 Jun 2008 13:49:43 +0100, Stewart Griffiths wrote:

 However, within Fireworks you can also export png's as a png8, which provides 
 a palette
 based colour model (like gif's) and which many believe only offers a 1 bit 
 transparency
 option. However, if we play with some of the settings we are able to offer 
 similar semi-
 transparency colors as a png32.


Yes.

More on that technique here:
  http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2007/09/18/png8-the-clear-winner/

... with some ideas for improving appearance in IE 6 here:
  http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2008/03/20/making-ie6-friendly-png8-images/


Cordially,
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Re: [WSG] transparency, png IE6?? Screen Resolution

2008-06-10 Thread IceKat

Hey,

I recently looked this up for someone else. I've found this link (below) 
to work well for regular images but don't seem to do much for background 
images pulled in with CSS. However having said that I've used this 
script without much trouble for quite a while.


As for the 800x600 thread. I've been interested in reading the replies 
and thank everyone responding to my thread. I asked because I was making 
a fixed width layout which was looking very odd on my computer when made 
to fix for an 800x600 and my screen being a wide screen. Some of you 
might be glad to know I've since started trying to make it fluid width 
but it's been great to read all the replies and get the opinion of everyone.


IceKat.

PNG Link: http://homepage.ntlworld.com/bobosola/pnghowto.htm


Michael Persson wrote:

HI people,

I have tried to not use transparency for years as it is not working 
IE6 properly.


I have not a situation where i need it and there is no way out, I have 
tried some

tricks and there are some that works half way to the full solution.

There is a solution with a js file called htc somethnig where i get 
the transparency

working but only in one of the images i need them to appear.


Does anyone have a clever full functional solution for this 
transparency crap

to make work ?

I have grey hair already but its starting to fall of soon...


Michael in Athens


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Re: [WSG] transparency, png IE6 ??

2008-06-10 Thread Andrew McGrath
theres no clean solution that i'm aware of...but this is a common issue, so
i'm certain there is plenty of tips and tricks out there to help you get
around the problem you are faced with.

http://24ways.org/2007/supersleight-transparent-png-in-ie6

the above link provides some /interesting/ info, i don't claim to know a lot
about this topic in particular however this page essentially summarized what
i already knew...so maybe it will help.

 Good luck!

2008/6/10 Michael Persson [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 HI people,

 I have tried to not use transparency for years as it is not working IE6
 properly.

 I have not a situation where i need it and there is no way out, I have
 tried some
 tricks and there are some that works half way to the full solution.

 There is a solution with a js file called htc somethnig where i get the
 transparency
 working but only in one of the images i need them to appear.


 Does anyone have a clever full functional solution for this transparency
 crap
 to make work ?

 I have grey hair already but its starting to fall of soon...


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Re: [WSG] transparency, png IE6?? Screen Resolution

2008-06-10 Thread Stewart Griffiths
There is a way to produce portable network graphics (png's) so that they
render correctly across all browsers without the need to employ complicated
hacks and ie filter-based
solutionshttp://www.w3.org/TR/PNG-DataRep.html#DR.Alpha-channelor
heavy javascript files, such as the twin
helixhttp://www.thewebsqueeze.com/forum/redirect.php?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.twinhelix.com%2Fcss%2Fiepngfix%2Fapproach
or the
supersleighthttp://www.thewebsqueeze.com/forum/redirect.php?url=http%3A%2F%2F24ways.org%2F2007%2Fsupersleight-transparent-png-in-ie6
.

Most times when a png is exported it is done so as a png32, which provides
lossless compression and allows for more complex settings. All the goodies
we love when designing a site.

However, within Fireworks you can also export png's as a png8, which
provides a palette based colour model (like gif's) and which many believe
only offers a 1 bit transparency option. However, if we play with some of
the settings we are able to offer similar semi-transparency colors as a
png32.

So if you use the export wizard and set it to export as png8 with indexed
transparency, you will see the palette colours have been flattened and you
are offered one, single transparent colour.

However, if you change these settings to alpha transparency, you will notice
a few small chunks cut out of the some of the palette colours. These are
the new semi-transparent colours.

The only downside is that complicated fade effects on images are not seen on
IE5.5  6, but it still is a transparent image.

This works for IE5.5 and above (I haven't tested lower than that), FF,
Safari and Opera, so it's a winner all round.

Also, the generated image files are smaller, which will increase delivery
time, and , more importantly, there is no need to implement hacks,
javascript files or any other third party coding, making the total delivery
package smaller and therefore increasing the speed of your site.

Hope the above helps you all.

I am planning on writing an article on the web design forum I moderate (
www.webforumz.com) around this, once complete I shall let you know so you
can bookmark it for future reference.

Stew

2008/6/10 IceKat [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 Hey,

 I recently looked this up for someone else. I've found this link (below) to
 work well for regular images but don't seem to do much for background images
 pulled in with CSS. However having said that I've used this script without
 much trouble for quite a while.

 As for the 800x600 thread. I've been interested in reading the replies and
 thank everyone responding to my thread. I asked because I was making a fixed
 width layout which was looking very odd on my computer when made to fix for
 an 800x600 and my screen being a wide screen. Some of you might be glad to
 know I've since started trying to make it fluid width but it's been great to
 read all the replies and get the opinion of everyone.

 IceKat.

 PNG Link: http://homepage.ntlworld.com/bobosola/pnghowto.htm


 Michael Persson wrote:

 HI people,

 I have tried to not use transparency for years as it is not working IE6
 properly.

 I have not a situation where i need it and there is no way out, I have
 tried some
 tricks and there are some that works half way to the full solution.

 There is a solution with a js file called htc somethnig where i get the
 transparency
 working but only in one of the images i need them to appear.


 Does anyone have a clever full functional solution for this transparency
 crap
 to make work ?

 I have grey hair already but its starting to fall of soon...


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Re: [WSG] transparency, png IE6?? Screen Resolution

2008-06-10 Thread Michael Persson


I need a function of a link that one KNOWS is working...

Michael


IceKat wrote:

Hey,

I recently looked this up for someone else. I've found this link 
(below) to work well for regular images but don't seem to do much for 
background images pulled in with CSS. However having said that I've 
used this script without much trouble for quite a while.


As for the 800x600 thread. I've been interested in reading the replies 
and thank everyone responding to my thread. I asked because I was 
making a fixed width layout which was looking very odd on my computer 
when made to fix for an 800x600 and my screen being a wide screen. 
Some of you might be glad to know I've since started trying to make it 
fluid width but it's been great to read all the replies and get the 
opinion of everyone.


IceKat.

PNG Link: http://homepage.ntlworld.com/bobosola/pnghowto.htm


Michael Persson wrote:

HI people,

I have tried to not use transparency for years as it is not working 
IE6 properly.


I have not a situation where i need it and there is no way out, I 
have tried some

tricks and there are some that works half way to the full solution.

There is a solution with a js file called htc somethnig where i get 
the transparency

working but only in one of the images i need them to appear.


Does anyone have a clever full functional solution for this 
transparency crap

to make work ?

I have grey hair already but its starting to fall of soon...


Michael in Athens


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Re: [WSG] transparency, png IE6 ??

2008-06-10 Thread Christian Fagan

Hi there Michael,

Had the same problem a while back and, while I can't give you the exact 
line of code that makes it work, the paragraph on this page seems to 
display properly in IE6 (as well as all other major browsers):

http://www.meccompany.com.au/aboutUs.php

I think it has something to do whether the element is floated or not


Andrew McGrath wrote:
theres no clean solution that i'm aware of...but this is a common 
issue, so i'm certain there is plenty of tips and tricks out there to 
help you get around the problem you are faced with.


http://24ways.org/2007/supersleight-transparent-png-in-ie6

the above link provides some /interesting/ info, i don't claim to know 
a lot about this topic in particular however this page essentially 
summarized what i already knew...so maybe it will help.


 Good luck!

2008/6/10 Michael Persson [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:

HI people,

I have tried to not use transparency for years as it is not
working IE6 properly.

I have not a situation where i need it and there is no way out, I
have tried some
tricks and there are some that works half way to the full solution.

There is a solution with a js file called htc somethnig where i
get the transparency
working but only in one of the images i need them to appear.


Does anyone have a clever full functional solution for this
transparency crap
to make work ?

I have grey hair already but its starting to fall of soon...


Michael in Athens


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Re: [WSG] transparency, png IE6?? Screen Resolution

2008-06-10 Thread Sergey Kushniruk

I use this: http://homepage.ntlworld.com/bobosola/


On Jun 10, 2008, at 15:52, Michael Persson wrote:



I need a function of a link that one KNOWS is working...

Michael


IceKat wrote:

Hey,

I recently looked this up for someone else. I've found this link  
(below) to work well for regular images but don't seem to do much  
for background images pulled in with CSS. However having said that  
I've used this script without much trouble for quite a while.


As for the 800x600 thread. I've been interested in reading the  
replies and thank everyone responding to my thread. I asked because  
I was making a fixed width layout which was looking very odd on my  
computer when made to fix for an 800x600 and my screen being a wide  
screen. Some of you might be glad to know I've since started trying  
to make it fluid width but it's been great to read all the replies  
and get the opinion of everyone.


IceKat.

PNG Link: http://homepage.ntlworld.com/bobosola/pnghowto.htm


Michael Persson wrote:

HI people,

I have tried to not use transparency for years as it is not  
working IE6 properly.


I have not a situation where i need it and there is no way out, I  
have tried some

tricks and there are some that works half way to the full solution.

There is a solution with a js file called htc somethnig where i  
get the transparency

working but only in one of the images i need them to appear.


Does anyone have a clever full functional solution for this  
transparency crap

to make work ?

I have grey hair already but its starting to fall of soon...


Michael in Athens


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RE: [WSG] transparency, png IE6 ??

2008-06-10 Thread Simon
I've used superslieight to great success. You see a moment of grey border as
the page loads in IE6 but after that it renders fine.

 

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
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Subject: Re: [WSG] transparency, png IE6 ??

 

theres no clean solution that i'm aware of...but this is a common issue, so
i'm certain there is plenty of tips and tricks out there to help you get
around the problem you are faced with.

http://24ways.org/2007/supersleight-transparent-png-in-ie6

the above link provides some /interesting/ info, i don't claim to know a lot
about this topic in particular however this page essentially summarized what
i already knew...so maybe it will help.

 Good luck!

2008/6/10 Michael Persson [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

HI people,

I have tried to not use transparency for years as it is not working IE6
properly.

I have not a situation where i need it and there is no way out, I have tried
some
tricks and there are some that works half way to the full solution.

There is a solution with a js file called htc somethnig where i get the
transparency
working but only in one of the images i need them to appear.


Does anyone have a clever full functional solution for this transparency
crap
to make work ?

I have grey hair already but its starting to fall of soon...


Michael in Athens


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Re: [WSG] transparency, png IE6?? Screen Resolution

2008-06-10 Thread cf

Here you are Michael:
http://www.meccompany.com.au/aboutUs.php

Don't ask me how but it works

Quoting Michael Persson [EMAIL PROTECTED]:



I need a function of a link that one KNOWS is working...

Michael


IceKat wrote:

Hey,

I recently looked this up for someone else. I've found this link   
(below) to work well for regular images but don't seem to do much   
for background images pulled in with CSS. However having said that   
I've used this script without much trouble for quite a while.


As for the 800x600 thread. I've been interested in reading the   
replies and thank everyone responding to my thread. I asked because  
 I was making a fixed width layout which was looking very odd on my  
 computer when made to fix for an 800x600 and my screen being a  
wide  screen. Some of you might be glad to know I've since started  
trying  to make it fluid width but it's been great to read all the  
replies  and get the opinion of everyone.


IceKat.

PNG Link: http://homepage.ntlworld.com/bobosola/pnghowto.htm


Michael Persson wrote:

HI people,

I have tried to not use transparency for years as it is not   
working IE6 properly.


I have not a situation where i need it and there is no way out, I   
have tried some

tricks and there are some that works half way to the full solution.

There is a solution with a js file called htc somethnig where i   
get the transparency

working but only in one of the images i need them to appear.


Does anyone have a clever full functional solution for this   
transparency crap

to make work ?

I have grey hair already but its starting to fall of soon...


Michael in Athens


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