RE: Off with your JS (was Re: [WSG] Best approach (new question))
G'day Do the 'Bob-The-Office-Worker', and the 'Mary-The-Surfing-Homemaker' (or vise-versa ;) ) types really know about this stuff? Maybe not, but Bob-The-Office-Worker's Directors may have instructed the IT department to cripple the browsers on all their employees' workstations. They may also have set all the PC's to a common resolution of 800x600 at 256 colours. I have been out of the regular workforce for nearly 4 years, but in my last regular job we had just that scenario. About 200 employees around the country (with the exception of the IT department) had no control over it. Flash was also taboo, because animations worked very slowly (or froze the terminals) with the setup they had. Bottom line: use JavaScript, flash etc for embellishment if you want, but make sure the site is accessible without it. While I'm at it - hide CSS from browsers that belong in the museum (as an exhibit, rather than a tool). Nothing wrong with plain text if the document is well structured (OK, graphics designers might disagree) Regards -- Bert Doorn, Web Developer Better Web Design http://www.betterwebdesign.com.au/ Fast-loading, user-friendly websites ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: Off with your JS (was Re: [WSG] Best approach (new question))
At 07:02 AM 12/10/04, Tom Livingston wrote: But I can't help wondering if these things, and others mentioned, are done by people who *know* about these things. In my mind, that is a small minority. Most likely only developers. Do the 'Bob-The-Office-Worker', and the 'Mary-The-Surfing-Homemaker' (or vise-versa ;) ) types really know about this stuff? Tom, Bottom line: it doesn't really matter what populations you think are turning off javascript the most. Even if it's only developers you still need to engineer your pages to be both accessible and functional whether scripting is turned on or off. Just as you need to make your pages graceful enough that they can continue to be useful in the absence of CSS, image display, mouse peripherals, and human visual perception. We don't know what sorts of users and user agents will be coming to our pages, and there's a great appeal -- if not a mandate -- to make them useable by everyone. Fortunately it's feasible, thanks to the communities of bright, problem-solving, self-critical thinkers we've got in WSG, CSS-D, and other groups. Cheers, Paul ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: Off with your JS (was Re: [WSG] Best approach (new question))
Well, I'm gonna bail out on this thread before it gets ugly. On a closing note, one might hope that Bob and Mary-The-Office-Worker start complaining (or complain harder) to their Directors that they can't do their work properly and/or efficiently with NN4 (or worse) and that this promps the move to putting NN4 et al on that museum exhibit shelf. We have had cases ourselves where the work we were doing for a client, that *they* asked us to do, could not be managed/transfered between us and them because of their own IT 'rules'. I just had to chuckle at that when I heard about it... Thanks for the responses all... Tom Livingston Senior Multimedia Artist mlinc.com Bert Doorn wrote: snip Bob-The-Office-Worker's Directors may have instructed the IT department to cripple the browsers on all their employees' workstations. snip ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
