the control is selected.
best
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xample, like opening a
wxframe, I'd be more than grateful :)
best
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Michael Roberts writes:
> Erik, do you know of any example code for wxMoose?
I have written this framework which I use..
https://github.com/ecocode/ECOCODE_Wx
best
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James Lynes writes:
> Keep the comments coming. I found in my working life that you have to put
> something down in writing before you can get any real feedback.
Well, since you are asking...
I'd like to see some docs on integrating Wxperl and Moose.
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apps without problem for Windows using wxpar (but
developing on mac), but never packaged for Mac deployment.. Maybe anyone
else on the ml has experience with such deployment :)
best
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a while.
>
> I'll post drafts for community feedback soon.
Hi Michael!
Out of curriosity:
What format do you use to write the book ? can it be maintained with
git? Without imposing anything.. it might be interesting to make this a
community effort.
best
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Steve Cookson writes:
> Eric, do you want to work with me and share this?
Hi Steve,
Thanks for offering ;)
Probably I can help you with this. So you can count me in.
best
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to increase the timeout. albeit chances you
get a followup are close to nil..
best
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domain name
- get a new host, and pay for it
- maintain the wiki database (whatever that includes)
- anything else ?
best
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James Lynes writes:
> Is anyone still using wxPerl? The only response I got to my last couple of
> questions came from Steve.
Well, I am ;)
best
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Hi,
I have a combobox. Focus is on the textfield, the list is dismissed.
Now I want to programatically make the list appear and pu focus onto the
first item in it. The first part can be achieved by calling ->Popup.
But how can I put the focus on the first item in the list ?
thx
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Thu Feb 26 16:58:25 2015: Request 102387 was acted upon.
Transaction: Ticket created by ecocode
Queue: Wx
Subject: support ChangeValue in ComboBox.xs
Broken in: (no value)
Severity: Important
Owner: Nobody
Requestors: e...@ecocode.net
Status: new
Ticket https://rt
riendly but this really is the best way to go.
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Erik Colson writes:
> Steve Cookson - gmail writes:
>
>> I had a similar case with updating a progress bar during a database
>> update. The answer is $app->Yield();
>
> Hi Steve,
>
> That does the trick. Thanks !
Playing a little more with Yield. It seems th
I'd need to keep track of a task being run and add a check in every user
event handler to see if a task is running and therefor not allowing user
events.
Sounds like a no-go to me :(
Other ideas ?
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Steve Cookson - gmail writes:
> I had a similar case with updating a progress bar during a database
> update. The answer is $app->Yield();
Hi Steve,
That does the trick. Thanks !
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Hi,
The code in the attached file is working nicely on Windows XP. i.e. when
clicking on 'add text' it adds a line to the textctrl each second. On
Macosx the same code only shows the added 30 lines once execution hits
the event loop. Any idea why this happens ?
best
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Tue Oct 21 04:20:44 2014: Request 99607 was acted upon.
Transaction: Correspondence added by ecocode
Queue: Wx
Subject: Issue using wxTextEntryBox
Broken in: (no value)
Severity: (no value)
Owner: Nobody
Requestors: pwnbusiness2...@centurylink.net
Status: open
Tic
Tue Oct 21 02:26:08 2014: Request 99607 was acted upon.
Transaction: Correspondence added by ecocode
Queue: Wx
Subject: Issue using wxTextEntryBox
Broken in: (no value)
Severity: (no value)
Owner: Nobody
Requestors: pwnbusiness2...@centurylink.net
Status: new
Tick
Erik Colson writes:
> Do you have a small script which shows your prob ?
Hi Steve,
I checked the archives and at first sight your prob is Windows
related. Am I correct in this, or did you try Linux too ?
best
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is still
>>> >not perfect.
> I recall you also had an issue here. Did you get it all working
> without any errors? What did you do?
Can't remember I had an issue. I do have code using timers and that
works nicely. Do you have a small script which shows your prob ?
best
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Steve Cookson writes:
>> Have to take out the dog now, so I'll read you later.
> I hope the dog is feeling happier now!
Yep, she's exhausted :)
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Erik Colson writes:
> I'm currently setting
> things up. No stuff should be lost.
Hi
All repos on wxPerl github have been updated and are now tracking the
official svn repo.
For those who need the old repos from wxPerl github I have added them
the github ecocode-cron account. I
he warning, but it is still
> not perfect.
Hi Steve,
I added your commits on the Development branch. I'm currently setting
things up. No stuff should be lost.
best
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no longer sure about
> "Experimental-Dev", maybe just "Development".
OK
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Erik Colson writes:
> I think the way to go is that I regenerate new svn clones on my server
> (already done now). Then delete the repos on github which I checked have
> not that much forks and/or branches. Then we recreate the DEV branches
> and reapply your commits to Ali
r commits to Alien-wxWidgets.
After this I setup the svn tracking through my server.
Does that sound like a plan for you ?
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You had to do this _before_ uploading the repo to github.
Because that repository is the one I need to issue regular "git svn rebase"
before sending commits from the svn repo to github.
best
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Steve Cookson writes:
> I saw that wxWidgets 3.0.2 came out last week. Although I'm still
> don't know how to do anything with windows, here is a quick hack if
> you are using Mac or Linux.
Man, you're fast !
++
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>
> Steve.
Hi Steve,
The mirror I created on github is here:
https://github.com/wxPerl/wxPerl/tree/master
and actually it _only_ tracks
http://svn.code.sf.net/p/wxperl/code/wxPerl/trunk/ at this moment.
The other repos on wxperl github don't track the svn. I'll have to set
that up ;)
So, Alien::wxWidgets is _not_ tracking (yet).
best
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Steve Cookson writes:
>> cpan -i App::cpanminus
> Do you prefer this to cpan? Why? Anybody else?
of course. cpanm just rocks.
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n job which will:
- 'git svn rebase' that repository locally
- 'git push' to the repo on github
That should do it ;)
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strategies, take a look at this blog post which introduces a very neat
workflow configuration. It is used as a guide for lots of projects using
git:
http://nvie.com/posts/a-successful-git-branching-model/
best
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Hi,
I saw Wx::Timer::StartOnce has been added XS/Timer.xs.
However required version is set to (3,0,0). This should be (2,9,5).
Please modify..
best
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Steve Cookson - gmail writes:
> I guess it's already in your version of the repository, here
> https://github.com/ecocode/wxPerl.
yep, it's in the develop branch. The master branch being an exact
replica of the svn repo. I just figure I forgot to send the patch to the
list..
> Is StartOnce a n
Here's a patch to support wxTimer::StartOnce.
best
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diff --git XS/Timer.xs XS/Timer.xs
index cd85315..6760bae 100644
--- XS/Timer.xs
+++ XS/Timer.xs
@@ -83,6 +83,13 @@ wxTimer::Start( milliseconds = -1, oneshot = false )
int milliseconds
bool oneshot
rojects for active branches.
I can check deeper into this if there is a demand from the core
developers / maintainers.
So, lets have a pull/discussion on this: Which developers want to move
the repo to Github ? Who doesn't ?
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Erik Colson writes:
> Hi,
>
> Just a little question.. Do you have plans to move the repo to git ?
>
> best
Well, for my easier handling I've setup a github repo which tracks the
svn trunk of wxPerl here:
https://github.com/ecocode/wxPerl
best
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Hi,
Just a little question.. Do you have plans to move the repo to git ?
best
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Fri Mar 07 01:47:17 2014: Request 93595 was acted upon.
Transaction: Ticket created by ecocode
Queue: Wx
Subject: ComboBox Popup and Dismiss
Broken in: (no value)
Severity: Wishlist
Owner: Nobody
Requestors: e...@ecocode.net
Status: new
Ticket https://rt.cpan.org/
Hi Mark,
great site !
thanks for all the work !
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Mark Dootson writes:
> Hi,
>
> On 07/03/2013 22:42, steveco.1...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Is this now the wxPerl main homepage?
>
> Yes it is. Existing links should redirect there OK.
>
> I hope to post useful stuff regularly.
>
> wxPerl has
Thanks. So I know ;)
Seems the direct IP (81.173.110.10) link is down too.
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writes:
> Yes, down for me too.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Erik Colson [mailto:e...@ecocode.net]
> Sent: 14 February 2013 06:50
> To: wxperl-users@perl.org
> Subject: wiki ?
Hi,
Following the title on #wxperl (irc), the wiki should be at
wiki.wxperl.nl.
However that doesn't seem to work on my laptop.. The thing just hangs
without showing whatsoever.
Am I missing something ?
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Hi,
Maybe someone wants to have wxPerl talk @ FOSDEM ?
http://nxadm.wordpress.com/2013/01/25/perlfosdem2013-a-very-late-call-for-papers/
Best
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Johan Vromans writes:
> Actually, the added benefits from the Moose layer escapes me. Looking at
> the (only) test script the only advantage seems to be to be able to call
> the constructor with named arguments.
I like to Mooseify my code. It's a choice. Code is clean and coherent. I
used to do
Johan Vromans writes:
> It would be nice to have a set of Mo*whatever wrappers for wxPerl but
> currently there is none. I'd rather spend my energy in producing
> examples that are working and useful now.
Hi Johan,
I'm using my own moose wrapper classes which are available here:
https://github.
Mark Dootson writes:
> Hi,
>
> I've not kept up with current PAR::Packer so I guess you'll need to
> ask there.
OK. Thanks for your answer.
best
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Mark Dootson writes:
> Hi,
>
> On 11/09/2012 07:09, Erik Colson wrote:
>
>> Ok, sounds fair to me.
>>
>> I'll check wxpar for where the perl executable is defined. Or is it
>> taken from the command that launched wxpar ?
>
> I didn't reali
Hi,
When a wxPerl app is run on windows you can view the process name in the
task manager which is 'perl.exe'. Can this be renamed ? Is it enough to
rename the perl.exe on the disk to something else and are there any
caveats related to this ?
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Hi!
I'm used to create mooseified classes around Wx classes. I used
MooseX::NonMoose with succes for a lot of classes as Dialog, Frame, Grid
etc.
Now I needed to Mooseify ProgressDialog and it fails when using
MooseX::NonMoose. However it does work with
MooseX::NonMoose::InsideOut. Is there any
>
> wxFD_SAVE || wxFD_OVERWRITE_PROMPT
>
> instead of wxFD_SAVE | wxFD_OVERWRITE_PROMPT ?
>
> I don't see these problems.
> If this isn't a simple typo problem perhaps you could post a failing
> example.
>
> Regards
>
> Mark
>
> On 09/09/2012 16:37, Erik Colson
Hi !
This code on MacosX does ask if the selected should be replaced. However
it doesn't if run Windows XP... Any idea why it doesn't ? and how to fix
this ?
my $f = Wx::FileDialog->new( $self, "Budget XLS file",
"", "", '*.XLS', wxFD_SAVE || wxFD_OVERWRITE_PROMPT,
herbert breunung writes:
> Allright,
>
> I alright wrote here that I do currently some helper modules and after im more
> familiar with dzil and their API gets more stable i want to ship them to cpan.
> However after we get more and more Wx::Perl modules (didnt knew even
> Wx::Perl::ListCtrl) i w
Mark Dootson writes:
> Thanks for posting. It certainly helps me. I will be able to
> incorporate necessary code in next release of Alien::wxWidgets so Wx
> builds automatically in most cases on Mountain Lion.
Hi Mark,
Thank you for the incredible work you do !
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Hi,
I wanted to share that I successfully build Alien::wxWidgets on Mountain
Lion with a freshly compiled Perl 5.16.0
I entered into the build directory for Alien::wxWidgets and launched
following Build.PL command:
perl Build.PL
--wxWidgets-extraflags="--with-macosx-sdk=/Applications/Xcode.app/C
Mark Dootson writes:
> Hi,
>
> Check your PAR::Packer versions. I believe the latest releases fix an
> issue with the --gui param not being passed to the inner executable,
> so best guess at this stage is that you have different versions of
> PAR::Packer installed.
[...]
Hi Mark,
that solves t
Ahmad Zawawi writes:
> Does PAR-Packer even install on strawberry v5.14.2?
> I am trying it on strawberry here and it is not working for me.
>
> http://paste.scsys.co.uk/188112
[...]
Don't know..
I'm working with :
This is perl 5, version 12, subversion 3 (v5.12.3) built for
MSWin32-x86-multi-
Erik Colson writes:
[...]
> I'll figure later if it might be related to the "Cwd" call.
Well, that didn't help either ..
any idea left ?
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Mark Dootson writes:
> Hi,
>
> Win32::Exe currently has a problem mangling PAR::Packer executables.
> Does it work as expected if you don't specify an icon ?
[...]
Hi Mark,
Removing --icon in wxpar call didn't solve the issue..
I'll figure later if it might be related to the "Cwd" call.
Best
Hi,
I wrote a wxPerl app which I package into an .exe with wxPAR.
I have 2 computers with both Windows XP installed.
Depending of the system I use to create the package, the program will or
will not start with a CMD window opened.
Both systems have the same version of Strawberry Perl installed.
W
Mark Dootson writes:
[...]
> So I think you are left with having to code for both 2.8 and 2.9
> wxWidgets or having a specific Perl install for your application
> whether that's Citrus, or a perlbrew recipe or Strawberry or
> ActivePerl + ppms etc.
>
> Suggestions for better solutions most welc
Hi all,
My app is packaged in an exe with PAR. I'm using a splashscreen with
following code, but (of course) the splashscreen only shows up once the
exe is decompressed and perl is lauched. At first start this takes ages
and after that it takes up to 10 secs.
Any idea how I can make the splashscr
Hi,
This gives an error:
perl -MWx=:everything -le 'print STDOUT wxDP_ALLOWNONE'
Error while autoloading 'Wx::wxDP_ALLOWNONE' at -e line 1
But the demo DatePickerCtrl works...
I can't figure why the code doesn't work when I try to use it in my app.
Any ideas ?
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On 16 Aug 2011, at 09:40, Johan Vromans wrote:
> How about iPad? Is it possible to run wxPerl on iPad?
>
> With basic functionailty? E.g., window management, point & click.
> No fancy stuff like multitouch?
AFAIK wxwidgets doesn't compile on ios ..
so probably not
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Hello,
Seems that EVT_KILL_FOCUS is not triggered in MACOSX. Code works nicely for
Linux.
When tabbing or clicking on another widget, the EVT_SET_FOCUS is triggered for
that widget (even if it is a grid). But the EVT_KILL_FOCUS is not triggered on
the previously focussed grid.
Can this be wxPe
On 24 Jul 2011, at 15:56, Steve Cookson wrote:
> Hi Mark,
>
> I'm using Linux not Mac, but when I do 2.9.2, I get an error message saying
> only 2.8.10, 2.8.11 or 2.9.0 allowed.
>
> It doesn't show the fabled 2.9.1 or indeed 2.9.2, where I get the message.
>
> Interesting that Erik managed to
On 23 Jul 2011, at 18:48, Mark Dootson wrote:
> Hi,
>
> To build all current wxWidgets, either stable or development, you need to use
> SDK 10.6 or below I think.
>
> The code pasted below is untested but should probably work using
> Alien::wxWidgets from SVN to get you a 2.9.2 build
>
> per
Ehlo,
So I got a brand new Macbook Air today and launched
cpan install Alien::wxWidgets
wxWidgets 2.9.1 failed to build with this error:
/private/var/root/.cpan/build/Alien-wxWidgets-0.52-4MCRKr/wxWidgets-2.9.1/bld/bk-deps
g++ -mmacosx-version-min=10.5 -c -o coredll_utils_osx.o
-I./.pch/wxp
ehlo,
I used to keep metadata for a data grid in a separate array or hash.
When that data is no more than a hidden id, I'd find it preferable to put this
in a column which would be hidden from the user.
I tried Wx::Grid->HideCol which seems not implemented in my wxPerl version
based on wxwidgets
$curValue = "" ;
} ;
my $curPos = List::Util::max( $control->GetInsertionPoint(),
length($curValue) ) ;
$control->ChangeValue("$curValue") ;
$control->SetInsertionPoint($curPos) ;
})
Thanks for help!
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ecocode.net
Hi !
After some time I finally moved to perl 5.12.1. (you'll find the perl -V report
at the bottom of this post)
I compiled perl in 32 bit and installed Alien:wxWidgets successfully by letting
the module download and compile wxWidgets by itself (2.8.10).
However building Wx fails. I download th
Hi !
After some time I finally moved to perl 5.12.1. (you'll find the perl -V report
at the bottom of this post)
I compiled perl in 32 bit and installed Alien:wxWidgets successfully by letting
the module download and compile wxWidgets by itself (2.8.10).
However building Wx fails. I download th
hi,
Is it possible to assign a validator to a Wx::GridCellTextEditor.
If not directly, would it be available through subclassing it ?
Thanks !
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Hi All,
I'm struggling with a Wx::Grid and a custom editor based on Wx::TextCtrl...
I've embedded a Wx::TexCtrl using a Wx::PlGridCellEditor, the same way as shown
in wxperl_demo in wxPerl-Controls-wxGrid-Custom Editors and Renderers.
When you run the demo, you can move to cell C2 with the keyb
On 21 Mar 2010, at 22:21, Mark Dootson wrote:
> Looks like you don't have required versions of ExtUtils::XSpp and
> ExtUtils::ParseXS installed.
Hi Mark,
Corrected that, but now I get this error on en on for a bunch of lines
RichText.c
mini:Wx-0.9701 ec$ make
/usr/local/bin/perl script/make_
Hi !
Just installed perl 5.10.1 from scratch on my mac mini 32bit.
Installing wxwidgets works with Alien::wxWidgets but installing Wx module fails.
Any clue ? (I've seen 5.10.1 isn't tested on Macosx so this could be a good way
to test it)
Thanks !
Erik
==
On 14 Feb 2010, at 21:41, Erik Colson wrote:
> t/20_ctx_threads.t This Perl not built to support threads
> Compilation failed in require at t/20_ctx_threads.t line 10.
> BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at t/20_ctx_threads.t line 10.
> t/20_ctx_threads.t Dubious, test
-
t/20_ctx_threads.t (Wstat: 65280 Tests: 0 Failed: 0)
Non-zero exit status: 255
Parse errors: No plan found in TAP output
Files=21, Tests=676, 6 wallclock secs ( 0.17 usr 0.07 sys + 2.20 cusr 0.50
csys = 2.94 CPU)
Result: FAIL
Failed 1/21 test programs. 0/676 subtests failed.
make: *** [test_dynamic] Error 255
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On 14 Feb 2010, at 17:22, Mattia Barbon wrote:
> Erik Colson wrote:
>> On 14 Feb 2010, at 11:36, Mattia Barbon wrote:
>>> The equivalent of perl -Mblib is prove -b so...
>> arf... sorry for this
>> is this ok ?
>
> Yes. The problem seems to happen when
On 14 Feb 2010, at 11:36, Mattia Barbon wrote:
> The equivalent of perl -Mblib is prove -b so...
arf... sorry for this
is this ok ?
BTW: the test suite are allways stopped with a 'Bus error', which doesn't
appear using prove...
=
Rome:Wx-0.9701
On 26 Sep 2009, at 18:21, Mattia Barbon wrote:
> Erik Colson wrote:
>> here's the output when trying to install Wx from cpan prompt:
>
> I must be missing something, but I do not see anything specific to STC in
> the log below... as for the "wrong architecture&q
Here it is...
=
Rome:Wx-0.9701-Qqs5Vz ec$ prove -l t/01_load.t t/03_event.t t/04_userdata.t
t/07_overload.t t/08_ovl_func.t t/09_create_delete.t t/10_oor.t t/11_twostage.t
t/16_stream.t
t/01_load.t ... 1/6
# Failed test 'use Wx;'
# at t
hi Mattia !
I've been working with wx on my mac for some time now and want to recompile the
2.8.10 with the latest versions of Alien::wxWidgets and Wx.
Compiling wxWdigets in 32bit was ok and Alien::wxWidgets did a nice job
installing it. So I don't have to do those things by hand anymore ;)
B
gets-2.8.10.tar.gz
Extracting wxWidgets...
Patching wxWidgets...
Applying patch: /Users/ec/tmp/trunk/patches/wxMac-2.8.3-brokengcc.patch
/usr/local/bin/perl ../inc/bin/patch -N -p0 -u -b .bak < ../patches/
wxMac-2.8.3-brokengcc.patch
Can't open perl script "../inc/bin/patch": No such f
oblem here.
There seems to be something we're overlooking.
Please report when you find it.
regards
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e...@ecocode.net
. It is almost like the wxPerl
binary is reading the bang line, but it shouldn't because that is
there for the OS shell to use so it can figure out what interpreter
to call.
hmmm...
don't kill me me, but...
did you try with
#! /usr/local/bin/wxperl
(lowercase p)
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nary that is causing this?
Hi Daniell,
the bang line should start with #!
so that should be
#! /usr/local/bin/wxPerl
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http://www.ecocode.net
th include wxWidgets and wxPerl,
located in /usr/bin.
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http://www.ecocode.net
post your /usr/local/
lib/perl5/site_perl/5.10.1/darwin-2level/Alien/wxWidgets/Config/
mac_2_8_10_gcc_3_4.pm
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On 28 Sep 2009, at 23:04, Mattia Barbon wrote:
Erik Colson wrote:
sorry, wrong link
should be:
http://ecocode.net/article.shtml?092009.txt-002
Out of curiosity, is the first part (recompiling Perl) something
you must do because Apple ships a 64 bit Perl?
Nope,
Apple perl is
;link' library: 'stc' at
/Users/dfreed/.cpan/build/Wx-0.93-QTP67j/build/Wx/build/MakeMaker.pm
line 211
Hi Daniell,
Did you redo the Alien::wxWidgets part ?
I think Alien::wxWidgets needs to be reinstalled (redo the installation
part will overwrite it)
regards
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, Daniell Freed wrote:
So I've been following these directions and everything has worked up
until the compiling of the Perl Wx part. When I do it I get the
below. Do you have any idea what I'm doing wrong? I highlighted
the error.
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sorry, wrong link
should be:
http://ecocode.net/article.shtml?092009.txt-002
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Mattia,
I figured to install/compile the whole thing.
I described it here (so I have the info if I have to reinstall one
day ;) )
http://ecocode.net/article.shtml?092009.txt-001
regards
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Hi Mattia,
Here comes the info !
On 26 Sep 2009, at 13:44, Mattia Barbon wrote:
Erik Colson wrote:
There is nothing obvious in perl -V/uname to detect a 64bit Mac;
could you also try:
sysctl hw.optional.x86_64
Rome:~ ec$ sysctl hw.optional.x86_64
hw.optional.x86_64: 1
sysctl
Hi Mattia,
Thanks for helping out so fast !
Here's the output
=
=
=
=
=
=
=
=
Rome:~ ec$ perl -V
Summary of my perl5 (revision 5 version 10 subversion 1) configuration:
Platform:
osname=darwin, osvers=10.0.0, archnam
Hi Mattia,
On 26 Sep 2009, at 18:21, Mattia Barbon wrote:
Erik Colson wrote:
here's the output when trying to install Wx from cpan prompt:
I must be missing something, but I do not see anything specific to
STC in the log
The stc problem occurred when I used Alien::wxWidgets to co
Mattia,
This link helped to build wxWidgets on Snow Leopard here...
http://wiki.wxwidgets.org/Development:_wxMac#Building_under_10.6_Snow_Leopard
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On 25 Sep 2009, at 19:07, Mattia Barbon wrote:
Which wxWidgets version gives this problem? How did you compile it?
Regards,
Mattia
Hi Mattia,
I first tried with Alien::wxWidgets from cpan, but wxWidgets building
failed.. Seems to be due to Snow Leopard using 64bit gcc4.2 by default.
So I
Hello
Just checked out the info at your wiki.
Step 2 ([cpan] $ install Alien::wxWidgets) fails on Snow Leopard actually :(
So that won't be of any help actually.
I figured how to compile wxWdgets from source on Snow Leopard but
Alien::wxWidgets doesn't like my installation telling me stc is no
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