Re: [yast-devel] moving linuxrc documentation to github

2016-12-02 Thread Ancor Gonzalez Sosa
On 12/01/2016 03:46 PM, Devin Waas wrote:
> Hello YaSTheads,
> 
> in an effort to make documentation updated and consistent, I'm
> considering moving the linuxrc entries of the wiki[1] to github.
> 
> The motivations are:
> 1) we'll have docs and source in the same place (thus reducing the
> scattering of information)
> 2) we'll be able to render the docs on readthedocs.io/wherever
> 3) we'll have the benefits of a version control system (history/reviews)

Leaving the technical benefits aside, there is something like a rule of
thumb we are following with the YaST documentation:

- developer oriented documentation -> use git exactly as you suggested
- user oriented documentation -> keep the historical and well known
opensuse wiki

I can't wait for the day in which the openSUSE project completely change
the documentation approach/tooling (there have been several attempts
like adopting activedoc in doc.opensuse.org), but as long as wiki.o.o
continues being the expected place for documentation, we should probably
play by the rules.

Cheers.
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Re: [yast-devel] moving linuxrc documentation to github

2016-12-01 Thread Johannes Meixner


Hello,

On Dec 1 15:46 Devin Waas wrote (excerpt):

moving the linuxrc entries of the wiki[1] to github.

...

https://en.opensuse.org/SDB:Linuxrc


Don't forget to adapt all openSUSE and SUSE 'internal'
stuff (e.g. manuals and whatever) that links to it, cf.
https://en.opensuse.org/Special:WhatLinksHere/SDB:Linuxrc

And don't forget to also adapt all 'external' stuff like
any pages on whatever other web severs that link to it ;-)

Seriously:
You would at least need to change
https://en.opensuse.org/SDB:Linuxrc
into some kind of automated forwarder that can somehow
redirect to the new place where the actual content is.
(I don't know how to do that with a Wiki.)


Kind Regards
Johannes Meixner
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Re: [yast-devel] moving linuxrc documentation to github

2016-12-01 Thread Stefan Hundhammer

On 01.12.2016 15:46, Devin Waas wrote:

If no one has anything to say against this, I'll probably start this weekend.

Please leave your suggestions if you have any. :)

[1] Linuxrc wiki entry
~~
https://en.opensuse.org/SDB:Linuxrc


Please be aware that whenever somebody moves Wiki content around, this means 
breaking everybody's bookmarks, which is almost as good as deleting the 
documentation permanently.


I don't mean to say that the old SDB-based wiki articles are the ultimate 
solution (to the contrary - it's hard to find out what is up to date and what 
is outdeated), but it's been around for a while, word has spread that it 
exists, and there are a gazillion links to that place from everywhere - other 
SDB / Wiki articles, people's blogs, Bugzilla, whatever. Those links will 
then all become invalid.


As a matter of fact, this is the reason why I am very reluctant to write 
anything in any Wiki any more: I find myself cheated out of the benefits of 
my own documentation because that stuff constantly gets rearranged and moved 
around by people just meaning well: "The road to hell is paved with good 
intentions" etc. ;-)


As for benefits of version control: Well, every Wiki has that. It's just a 
bit different from Git.


And as for GitHub Wikis: They are problematic in that you lose the connection 
to the original when you fork a GitHub repo; the original and the forks will 
inevitably diverge, and hardly anybody will notice. Those Wikis are just not 
as well integrated into GitHub as all the rest (well, maybe we are just 
spoiled by how well everything else at GitHub works).


If we absolutely need to move that linuxrc documentation from the old, 
well-known place to someplace else: Did you check out 
https://pages.github.com/ ? I don't know how different that is from the plain 
GitHub Wiki that comes with every GitHub project by default. It might be 
worthwhile looking at (if the format is simple enough like the usual markdown 
they use everywhere else).



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[yast-devel] moving linuxrc documentation to github

2016-12-01 Thread Devin Waas

Hello YaSTheads,

in an effort to make documentation updated and consistent, I'm 
considering moving the linuxrc entries of the wiki[1] to github.


The motivations are:
1) we'll have docs and source in the same place (thus reducing the 
scattering of information)

2) we'll be able to render the docs on readthedocs.io/wherever
3) we'll have the benefits of a version control system (history/reviews)


If no one has anything to say against this, I'll probably start this 
weekend.


Please leave your suggestions if you have any. :)

[1] Linuxrc wiki entry
~~
https://en.opensuse.org/SDB:Linuxrc


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