Re: [ydl-gen] Linux yellow dog manual for dummies

2010-01-14 Thread Rob Sanders
Some of the code forked, but only during the setup. Once everything was 'running' each of the processes were persistent, communicating via shared memory with posix semaphores for keeping everyone in sync. We had some problems with Solaris 9 or 10 where the shared memory overhead was killi

Re: [ydl-gen] Linux yellow dog manual for dummies

2010-01-14 Thread rhubbell
On Thu, 14 Jan 2010 18:59:18 -0500 Derick Centeno wrote: > From: rhubbell > Reply-To: Discussion List for Yellow Dog Linux User Topics > > To: yellowdog-general@lists.fixstars.com > Subject: Re: [ydl-gen] Linux yellow dog manual for dummies > Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 11:42:3

Re: [ydl-gen] Linux yellow dog manual for dummies

2010-01-14 Thread Robert Spykerman
Eh.. I must have missed this thread. Bit late but I think I may know what is up and perhaps it is actually due to the kernel. forks possibly given the way Rob described the code he was running. On Sun, Dec 27, 2009 at 7:46 AM, Warren Nagourney wrote: > That's very interesting, Rob. Were the apps

Re: [ydl-gen] Linux yellow dog manual for dummies

2010-01-14 Thread Derick Centeno
From: rhubbell Reply-To: Discussion List for Yellow Dog Linux User Topics To: yellowdog-general@lists.fixstars.com Subject: Re: [ydl-gen] Linux yellow dog manual for dummies Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 11:42:35 -0800 (14:42 EST) Mailer: Mail-2.1 Hi Robert: In order to help you get a handle on

Re: [ydl-gen] Linux yellow dog manual for dummies

2010-01-14 Thread rhubbell
On Thu, 24 Dec 2009 15:27:42 -0500 Derick Centeno wrote: > On Thu, 24 Dec 2009 10:09:48 +1100 > Robert Spykerman wrote: > > > On Thu, Dec 24, 2009 at 2:23 AM, Derick Centeno > > wrote: ...snip... > > > Be sure to use the YDL Board as a resource so that you "meet" other > > > PS3 users like your

Re: [ydl-gen] Linux yellow dog manual for dummies

2010-01-14 Thread rhubbell
On Sat, 26 Dec 2009 16:34:23 -0500 Derick Centeno wrote: > On Fri, 25 Dec 2009 11:37:34 -0800 > Warren Nagourney wrote: > > > Thanks, Derick. > > > > Although this is a YDL forum, I am afraid to say that there is no > > comparison between any linux on PPC and OS X. The former simply > > doe

Re: [ydl-gen] Linux yellow dog manual for dummies

2009-12-28 Thread Derick Centeno
On Sun, 27 Dec 2009 14:20:18 -0500 Rob Sanders wrote: > It is an interesting article, and reminds me of some discussions > I've had with 'younger' > programmers at work. One of my coworkers is an absolutely awesome > web developer, using > the newer frameworks (Groovy on Grails) to develop fro

Re: [ydl-gen] Linux yellow dog manual for dummies

2009-12-27 Thread Rob Sanders
It is an interesting article, and reminds me of some discussions I've had with 'younger' programmers at work. One of my coworkers is an absolutely awesome web developer, using the newer frameworks (Groovy on Grails) to develop from scratch a replacement GUI for out linux security tools (comm

Re: [ydl-gen] Linux yellow dog manual for dummies

2009-12-27 Thread Derick Centeno
I thought you, Rob and interested others would find this article interesting as it follows along the lines of what you stated earlier with some different details. First the article: http://arstechnica.com/hardware/news/2009/11/end-of-the-line-for-ibms-cell.ars You'll note that future developmen

Re: [ydl-gen] Linux yellow dog manual for dummies

2009-12-27 Thread Derick Centeno
I found an article discussing IBM's decision to cancel the Cell which I'm posting for others here. I'm satisfied it comes close enough to what he described. Here's that article: http://arstechnica.com/hardware/news/2009/11/end-of-the-line-for-ibms-cell.ars On Thu, 24 Dec 2009 12:46:10 -0800 Warre

Re: [ydl-gen] Linux yellow dog manual for dummies

2009-12-26 Thread Derick Centeno
On Fri, 25 Dec 2009 11:37:34 -0800 Warren Nagourney wrote: > Thanks, Derick. > > Although this is a YDL forum, I am afraid to say that there is no > comparison between any linux on PPC and OS X. The former simply > doesn't have the software base that I need. I used to think that it > would

Re: [ydl-gen] Linux yellow dog manual for dummies

2009-12-26 Thread Warren Nagourney
That's very interesting, Rob. Were the apps compiled using the same compilers (with the same degree of optimization) in both cases? Were the time differences actual CPU time of just elapsed time? Apple's scheduler isn't very good and - particularly in Leopard - some of their background oper

Re: [ydl-gen] Linux yellow dog manual for dummies

2009-12-26 Thread Rob Sanders
Warren, I'd concur. This application was hugely floating point intensive. Graphics ops were not an issue for us. The app used only low-level X11 calls (no Motif, or Xt calls even), so what graphics there were under OSX had to go through Apple's X11 layer before being seen. Most of th

Re: [ydl-gen] Linux yellow dog manual for dummies

2009-12-26 Thread Warren Nagourney
I think one needs to distinguish between the OS and the CPU. My experience with the G5 is that its floating point performance is between 1.5x and 2x as fast as the equivalent x86. Unfortunately, the fixed point advantages are not there. I use LaTeX a lot and heard that the typesetting speed

Re: [ydl-gen] Linux yellow dog manual for dummies

2009-12-26 Thread Rob Sanders
I haven't done much with YDL in some time as I've changed jobs, but I'd just like to chime in that several years ago that the PPC Linux's ( YDL for Mac, full RedHat/SuSE on some IBM OpenPower720 hardware) was running rings around the equivalent x86 -or- Alpha based platforms we were doing s

Re: [ydl-gen] Linux yellow dog manual for dummies

2009-12-25 Thread Warren Nagourney
Thanks, Derick. Although this is a YDL forum, I am afraid to say that there is no comparison between any linux on PPC and OS X. The former simply doesn't have the software base that I need. I used to think that it would be faster than OS X, but after a few installations of linux on Apple

Re: [ydl-gen] Linux yellow dog manual for dummies

2009-12-25 Thread Derick Centeno
On Sat, 26 Dec 2009 00:55:12 +1100 Robert Spykerman wrote: Hi Robert, may you and all here and elsewhere enjoy the upcoming celebrations and New Year! I haven't had the time to pursue or discover the article or articles which Warren referred to. If I do discover anything along those lines which

Re: [ydl-gen] Linux yellow dog manual for dummies

2009-12-25 Thread Robert Spykerman
On Fri, Dec 25, 2009 at 8:44 AM, Derick Centeno wrote: > I wasn't aware of IBM's announcement.  I guess we are the lucky ones > who got these marvelous computers while they could be had.  Too bad > others won't have the opportunity to explore and develop varied > programming skills which these sy

Re: [ydl-gen] Linux yellow dog manual for dummies

2009-12-24 Thread Derick Centeno
You may want to know that you may find decent parts for your system from http://macsales.com/ I think we may have to really keep our PowerPC running for longer than that although I did hear of someone developing a multicore PowerPC laptop a month or so ago. I've got to search for who this fellow

Re: [ydl-gen] Linux yellow dog manual for dummies

2009-12-24 Thread Warren Nagourney
Thanks, Derick. I still love the PPC architecture and recently bought an Apple dual core 2.3 GHz G5 for very little money and am finding it to be absolutely as fast as I could ever hope for. I will keep it for the next 3-5 years (assuming I can keep the power supply running) and maybe then

Re: [ydl-gen] Linux yellow dog manual for dummies

2009-12-24 Thread Derick Centeno
Good to hear from you Warren!! It's been a long time!! Glad you liked my analogy. I wasn't aware of IBM's announcement. I guess we are the lucky ones who got these marvelous computers while they could be had. Too bad others won't have the opportunity to explore and develop varied programming

Re: [ydl-gen] Linux yellow dog manual for dummies

2009-12-24 Thread Warren Nagourney
I might also add that, due to recent announcements from IBM, the future of the Cell processor is in doubt. In November, IBM announced that it was canceling the next iteration of the Cell, the one with 32 SPE cores. I would therefore hesitate in investing any time in learning Cell programmin

Re: [ydl-gen] Linux yellow dog manual for dummies

2009-12-24 Thread Derick Centeno
On Thu, 24 Dec 2009 10:09:48 +1100 Robert Spykerman wrote: > On Thu, Dec 24, 2009 at 2:23 AM, Derick Centeno > wrote: ...snip... > > Be sure to use the YDL Board as a resource so that you "meet" other > > PS3 users like yourself, as well as others who program using YDL on > > various hardware sy

Re: [ydl-gen] Linux yellow dog manual for dummies

2009-12-24 Thread Robert Spykerman
On Thu, Dec 24, 2009 at 2:53 AM, Aaron Urbain wrote: > Read the gentoo wiki I would on one hand encourage the OP to try gentoo, as there is a lot to be learnt from doing it that way but on the other I would say that unfortunately for a beginner it may be better off learning about gentoo on the x8

Re: [ydl-gen] Linux yellow dog manual for dummies

2009-12-23 Thread Aaron Urbain
Read the gentoo wiki On Dec 23, 2009 6:09 PM, "Robert Spykerman" wrote: On Thu, Dec 24, 2009 at 2:23 AM, Derick Centeno wrote: ...snip... > Be sure to use the YDL Board as a resource so that you "meet" other PS3 > users like yourself, as ... I completely agree. There are not many online forums

Re: [ydl-gen] Linux yellow dog manual for dummies

2009-12-23 Thread Robert Spykerman
On Thu, Dec 24, 2009 at 2:23 AM, Derick Centeno wrote: ...snip... > Be sure to use the YDL Board as a resource so that you "meet" other PS3 > users like yourself, as well as others who program using YDL on various > hardware systems.  There's a lot a good people there who can help you > move forwa

Re: [ydl-gen] Linux yellow dog manual for dummies

2009-12-23 Thread Derick Centeno
On Mon, 21 Dec 2009 22:53:25 +0100 "Celine-Alexander M. Preiss" wrote: > > > Hi, > Anyone that could recommend what > type (title and author) and where to order a suitable book to use to > get a beginner a bit educated in Linux (preferable yellow dog), (I > have some programmer experience from

[ydl-gen] Linux yellow dog manual for dummies

2009-12-21 Thread Celine-Alexander M. Preiss
Hi, Anyone that could recommend what type (title and author) and where to order a suitable book to use to get a beginner a bit educated in Linux (preferable yellow dog), (I have some programmer experience from VB, and Pascal)? I am hoping to get some reading for Christmas, and some fun with my