date:20051223

Re: [Zappa-List] Ripping?

2005-12-23 Thread mr_and_mrs_skull

Thank you Jim.

I think the term
first gained popular usage when mp3 caught on. A music CD (usually factory
made) would be inserted and the act of producing mp3 files on the hard drive
from it was termed ripping. I guess a new term was necessary in that audio on
a music CD is in a format that cant be stored on a hard drive. CDDA or
compact digital disc format. So to get the music onto your hard drive it cant
be just copied but rather must be changed to a different format. Wav files are
almost bit for bit identical to CDDA but the header is a little different on
CDDA by design so that it cant be copied so easily. At least thats what they
thought back in the early eighties. Mp3 is of course not similar at all and
most of the digital information must be discarded when mp3 is created. Flac
and shn files still contain all of the data from the original wav file but
store it a bit more compactly and can be expanded back into the original wav
file. With mp3 you can expand back to wav but you can never get back the
information thats been tossed out. Thats why theyre referred to as lossy
while wav, flac and shn are considered lossless. Much of the information that
gets tossed out in the creation of mp3 isnt even audible however and thats
why they can sound as good as the do. Results seem to vary dramatically to my
ear depending on what encoder is used. To me LAME makes the very best mp3 and
razorlame is a good front end for it. Both are free.

Then DVD entered the
picture. Commercially produced DVD is encrypted and so cant be directly
copied to the hard drive or disc ether. So ripping software for DVD became
available in short order. It decrypts the files so that they can be copied.
Unencrypted DVDs like we share here can be directly copied to the hard drive.

Also if you do a
direct disc copy of a CD it doesnt have to be ripped to another format but
can directly copy the CDDA files. The belief that EAC (exact audio copy)
software is superior at reading the disc however has lead to the practice of
ripping an audio CD into wav files first and then authoring a new CD from them
rather than doing a disc copy. Everything Ive read as well as my own
experiences seems to back up this belief. Ideally a software could read the
disc like EAC but create a disc image from the data instead of making wav
files. That would avoid converting from CDDA to wav and then back to CDDA just
to copy a disc. Perhaps EAC will get around to that in the
future.

Jim
L

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Ripping?

All,

What precisely is ripping, as
opposed to merely burning and copying?

Mr.
Skull

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[Zappa-List] VO: Nov 3, 1984 - Stoneybrook, NY - early late shows - SBD - 4 CDs

2005-12-23 Thread Dawayne Bailey

I just received these 4 amazing discs from Joe Della Posta and now I 
need the name and mailing address for the next person in line to send 
them to.

I am also curious if anyone knows the source of where these came from? 
It's so great to have 2 shows from the same day that sound so clean. 

It's great when the Zappa family and Joe Travers releases stuff here 
and there from the vault but these soundboard live shows are just as 
incredible to find.

Thanks to whoever shared these in the first place.

They're ready to go to the next person in line.





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RE: [Zappa-List] Ripping?

2005-12-23 Thread Jack Simpson

Holy crap! That is some email that you just wrote Jim L.Jim L [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: mr_and_mrs_skull asked -All,What precisely is ripping, as opposed to merely burning and copying?Mr. SkullI think the term first gained popular usage when mp3 caught on. A music CD (usually factory made) would be inserted and the act of producing mp3 files on the hard drive from it was termed ripping. I guess a new term was necessary in that audio on a music CD is in a format that cant be stored on a hard drive. CDDA or compact digital disc format. So to get the music onto your hard drive it cant be just copied but rather must be changed to a different format. Wav files are almost bit for bit identical to CDDA but the header is a little different on CDDA by design so that it cant be copied so easily. At least thats what they thought back in the early eighties. Mp3 is of course not similar at all and most of the digital information must be discarded when mp3 is created. Flac and shn files still contain all of the data from the original wav file but store it a bit more compactly and can be expanded back into
the original wav file. With mp3 you can expand back to wav but you can never get back the information thats been tossed out. Thats why theyre referred to as lossy while wav, flac and shn are considered lossless. Much of the information that gets tossed out in the creation of mp3 isnt even audible however and thats why they can sound as good as the do. Results seem to vary dramatically to my ear depending on what encoder is used. To me LAME makes the very best mp3 and razorlame is a good front end for it. Both are free. Then DVD entered the picture. Commercially produced DVD is encrypted and so cant be directly copied to the hard drive or disc ether. So ripping
software for DVD became available in short order. It decrypts the files so that they can be copied. Unencrypted DVDs like we share here can be directly copied to the hard drive. Also if you do a direct disc copy of a CD it doesnt have to be ripped to another format but can directly copy the CDDA files. The belief that EAC (exact audio copy) software is superior at reading the disc however has lead to the practice of ripping an audio CD into wav files first and then authoring a new CD from them rather than doing a disc copy. Everything Ive read as well as my own experiences seems to back up this belief. Ideally a software could read the disc like EAC but create a
disc image from the data instead of making wav files. That would avoid converting from CDDA to wav and then back to CDDA just to copy a disc. Perhaps EAC will get around to that in the future. Jim L From: Zappa-List@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Zappa-List@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2005 9:30 PMTo: Zappa-List@yahoogroups.comSubject: [Zappa-List] Ripping? All,What precisely is ripping, as opposed to merely burning and copying?Mr. Skull"Being in politics is like being a football coach; you have to be smart enough to understand the game and dumb enough to think it's important." -Eugene McCarthy, 1968
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RE: [Zappa-List] Ripping?

2005-12-23 Thread jiml

Lol. It was the power of a double espresso that made me do it. ;-)

Jim L

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   mr_and_mrs_skull asked -

   All,

   What precisely is ripping, as opposed to merely burning and copying?

   Mr. Skull


 -


   I think the term first gained popular usage when mp3 caught on. A music
 CD (usually factory made) would be inserted and the act of producing mp3
 files on the hard drive from it was termed ripping. I guess a new term
 was necessary in that audio on a music CD is in a format that cant be
 stored on a hard drive. CDDA or compact digital disc format. So to get
 the music onto your hard drive it cant be just copied but rather must
 be changed to a different format. Wav files are almost bit for bit
 identical to CDDA but the header is a little different on CDDA by design
 so that it cant be copied so easily. At least thats what they thought
 back in the early eighties. Mp3 is of course not similar at all and most
 of the digital information must be discarded when mp3 is created. Flac
 and shn files still contain all of the data from the original wav file
 but store it a bit more compactly and can be expanded back into the
 original wav file. With mp3 you can expand back to wav but you can never
  get back the information thats been tossed out. Thats why theyre
 referred to as lossy while wav, flac and shn are considered lossless.
 Much of the information that gets tossed out in the creation of mp3 isnt
 even audible however and thats why they can sound as good as the do.
 Results seem to vary dramatically to my ear depending on what encoder is
 used. To me LAME makes the very best mp3 and razorlame is a good front
 end for it. Both are free.

   Then DVD entered the picture. Commercially produced DVD is encrypted and
 so cant be directly copied to the hard drive or disc ether. So ripping
 software for DVD became available in short order. It decrypts the files
 so that they can be copied. Unencrypted DVDs like we share here can be
 directly copied to the hard drive.

   Also if you do a direct disc copy of a CD it doesnt have to be ripped
 to another format but can directly copy the CDDA files. The belief that
 EAC (exact audio copy) software is superior at reading the disc however
 has lead to the practice of ripping an audio CD into wav files first and
 then authoring a new CD from them rather than doing a disc copy.
 Everything Ive read as well as my own experiences seems to back up this
 belief. Ideally a software could read the disc like EAC but create a
 disc image from the data instead of making wav files. That would avoid
 converting from CDDA to wav and then back to CDDA just to copy a disc.
 Perhaps EAC will get around to that in the future.

 Jim L


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 What precisely is ripping, as opposed to merely burning and copying?



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[Zappa-List] Re: Ripping?

2005-12-23 Thread neil_hawkins2003

Great explanation Jim and thanks. One question on the following 
sentence, should that read EAC is inferior? If EAC is superior then 
you would take exact copies of CDs rather than ripping?

 The belief that EAC (exact audio copy) software is superior at
 reading the disc however has lead to the practice of ripping an 
 audio CD into wav files first and then authoring a new CD from 
 them rather than doing a disc copy.

Neil 






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[Zappa-List] Re: VO: Nov 3, 1984 - Stoneybrook, NY - early late shows - SBD - 4 CDs

2005-12-23 Thread neil_hawkins2003

Dawayne

This is the latest vine listing I could find -looks like oozlet is 
next up.

DawayneB-USA   [EMAIL PROTECTED] (SOFA's in here) 
 Kirby??? Richard Moore - UK [EMAIL PROTECTED]  
scottlibin-US. [EMAIL PROTECTED]  
 Schmig (Ire)  Bart (Pol)Luis (Ar) [EMAIL PROTECTED] 

Neil 

--- In Zappa-List@yahoogroups.com, Dawayne Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 I just received these 4 amazing discs from Joe Della Posta and now 
I 
 need the name and mailing address for the next person in line to 
send 
 them to.
 
 I am also curious if anyone knows the source of where these came 
from? 
 It's so great to have 2 shows from the same day that sound so 
clean. 
 
 It's great when the Zappa family and Joe Travers releases stuff 
here 
 and there from the vault but these soundboard live shows are just 
as 
 incredible to find.
 
 Thanks to whoever shared these in the first place.
 
 They're ready to go to the next person in line.







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Re: [Zappa-List] Re: VO: Nov 3, 1984 - Stoneybrook, NY - early late shows - SBD - 4 CDs

2005-12-23 Thread chris

Dwayne is oozlet, I believe, then SOFA is next, right? Chrisneil_hawkins2003 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: DawayneThis is the latest vine listing I could find -looks like oozlet is next up.DawayneB-USA [EMAIL PROTECTED] (SOFA's in here) Kirby??? Richard Moore - UK [EMAIL PROTECTED] scottlibin-US. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Schmig (Ire) Bart (Pol)Luis (Ar) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Neil --- In Zappa-List@yahoogroups.com, "Dawayne Bailey" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just received these 4 amazing discs from Joe Della Posta and now I need the name and mailing address for the next person in line to send them to. I am also curious if
anyone knows the source of where these came from? It's so great to have 2 shows from the same day that sound so clean. It's great when the Zappa family and Joe Travers releases stuff here and there from the vault but these soundboard live shows are just as incredible to find. Thanks to whoever shared these in the first place. They're ready to go to the next person in line. "Music is The Best!" Frank Zappa
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[Zappa-List] Good sale price

2005-12-23 Thread Jim L

Although it seems to
have gone up a few percent in the last 2 hours

Jim
L

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RE: [Zappa-List] Re: Ripping?

2005-12-23 Thread Jim L











Well Im convinced
that EAC is superior at reading the disc. Its the conversion from CDDA
file to wav file that I would prefer to avoid. Other software is capable of
sort of storing CDDA on the hard drive in the form of a disc image. Burnatonce
for one and it can be set to perform additional read checks when reading the
disc. I dont think its comparable to EACs secure mode
though. EAC does have the ability to create a wav image and a cue sheet that can
be used to make an exact copy. The digital files are still converted to wav and
then back again though. Ive never personally experienced any of the
clicks and pops doing a direct disc copy with Roxio ether but I do still use EAC
just to be sure. Still I think that most of the time a direct disc copy comes
out fine. If your disc is damaged at all then EAC is the only way to go. 





Jim
 L











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Sent: Friday, December 23, 2005
4:17 PM
To: Zappa-List@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Zappa-List] Re: Ripping?





Great explanation Jim and thanks. One question on the following 
sentence, should that read EAC is
inferior? If EAC is superior then 
you would take exact copies of CDs rather than
ripping?

 The belief that EAC (exact audio copy)
software is superior at
 reading the disc however has lead to the
practice of ripping an 
 audio CD into wav files first and then
authoring a new CD from 
 them rather than doing a disc copy.

Neil 












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[Zappa-List] Re: VO: Nov 3, 1984 - Stoneybrook, NY - early late shows - SBD - 4 CDs

2005-12-23 Thread Dawayne Bailey

--- In Zappa-List@yahoogroups.com, chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Dwayne is oozlet, I believe, then SOFA is next, right?
   Chris
 


That's right Chris - I'm oozlet. If Sofa is next, I need his mailing 
info. 





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Re: [Zappa-List] VO: FZ MOI w/ Zubin Metha LA Phil. Orch Audio (Flac cd):

2005-12-23 Thread Joseph Lonon

 Matt ([EMAIL PROTECTED])  

Thanks Joe!

I sent this off to Matt today.  Anyone else interested in receiving this fine 
show shold sign up after him.

I have noticed that therer are a few more traks after what's listed, including 
'Bringing in the Sheaves.'  Check it out for yourselves.

Happy holidays all,
Joseph


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Date:  Thu, 15 Dec 2005 20:12:05 -0500

-- Original Message --

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If the ice  snow let-up, this vine is out to Joseph in Texas.  Should be 
warmer there  then to Matt.

Regards:
Joe.DP


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