Re: [Zappa-List] Re: Wolfgang's Vault / VO: MOI Fillmore West 11-06-70 (Audio CD)
yes. thank you john k. i'd like in on this one as well--- johnk(us)guy(us)john g in kansas(us) - Original Message - From: Guy To: Zappa-List@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 25, 2006 3:46 PM Subject: [Zappa-List] Re: Wolfgang's Vault / VO: MOI Fillmore West 11-06-70 (Audio CD) Thank you John K. Count me in. John K (US) Guy (US) --- In Zappa-List@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: They say that they are going to make some shows available for download, though this hasn't happened yet. You can use software to record the shows which brings me to something I was thinking about bringing up anyway: If there is enough interest in the MOI show at the Fillmore West on 11-06-70, I will offer this up as a vine. What I did was record the show as presented on the Vault site, and then edited out the breaks between tracks to make one continuous show, and then burned it to Audio CD. Please keep in mind that what they are currently presenting on the site are MP3s, so that's only as good as this CD is going to get. But until they offer something better, I have to tell you it's pretty good - especially if you like the Flo and Eddie era Mothers. So let me know if there's interest - I'll start the vine off here - Details below. Merry Christmas! John K John K (US) ??? ** Mothers of Invention Fillmore West San Francisco, CA 11/06/1970 # of Tracks: 15 Total Time: 63:49 Have Gun, Will Travel 1:34 Call Any Vegetable 10:34 The Sanzini Brothers 2:02 Penis Dimension 8:05 The Sanzini Brothers 2:20 Little House I Used to Live In/Mudshark 4:57 Touring Can Make You Crazy 2:14 Would You Like a Snack? 1:39 Holiday in Berlin 4:07 Cruisinâ?T For Burgers 8:47 Easy Meat 5:19 **Frank talks to the crowdâ?¦** 1:53 Daddy, Daddy, Daddy/ Do You Like My New Car? 7:24 Happy Together 1:07 Who Are The Brain Police? 1:47 George Duke - keyboards Aynsley Dunbar - drums Howard Kaylan - vocals Jim Pons - bass (actually Jeff Simmons) Mark Volman - vocals Frank Zappa - guitar, vocals Like a tidal wave of total weirdness, the Mothers of Invention splashed down on the Fillmore West for a series of shows in November of 1970 before washing back into the seedy ocean of L.A., leaving the landscape forever changed (or at least confused and offended). Not to be outdone by the art school drop-outs and buck-skin fringe contingent then wandering the Sunset Strip, Frank Zappa had been steadily releasing incredibly strange records since the mid-â?~60s. He abandoned the original Mothers at the close of that decade, only to reform a different line-up under the same name in 1970, this time including two members of the Turtles, Howard Kaylan and Mark Volman (sometimes known as Flo Eddie due to contractual problems), to help with Frankâ?Ts increasingly bizarre comedy routines and, almost incidentally, singing. The opening set by Boz Scaggs couldnâ?Tt possibly have prepared anyone for what was going to occur that night at the corner of Van Ness and Market, though it did prove that Bill Graham had a pretty good sense of humor. Eager to try out material from the upcoming 200 Motels film and accompanying album, the Mothers donâ?Tt move in any one direction for too long; sometimes itâ?Ts as if theyâ?Tre moving in all directions at once. There are hints of jazz-fusion and psychedelia, along with Zappaâ?Ts beloved doo-wop. They even make a brief stab at the Turtlesâ?T Happy Together as part of the groupie- baiting sleaze-fest Daddy, Daddy, Daddy. This is a limber bunch, but theyâ?Tre at their best when playing it straight (Call Any Vegetable from Absolutely Free is a prime example). Some songs are derailed by excessive hollering and dialogue, the delivery of which suggests the performers are nearly as bored as the audience theyâ?Tre baffling. Provoking the crowd, however, is part of the plan and listening to Frank scold them for their indifference is highly satisfying for anyone whoâ?Ts ever stood under stage lights. An appreciation for this performance depends entirely on oneâ?Ts threshold for long and noodly instrumental explorations accented by dick jokes. But it can safely be said that no one else was doing anything quite like this at the time. During an age of weird, Frank Zappa had the distinction of being the unparalleled weirdest. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Zappa-List@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sat, 23 Dec 2006 10:55 PM Subject: [Zappa-List] Re: Wolfgang's Vault Is there a way to download the shows from the site? Matt It's an amazing source for free shows:
Re: [Zappa-List] Re: Wolfgang's Vault / VO: MOI Fillmore West 11-06-70 (Audio CD)
I guess I'm in - if only to hear the early Easy Meat... SOFA johnk(us)guy(us)john g in kansas(us) SOFA - USA
RE: [Zappa-List] Re: Wolfgang's Vault - Fillmore West still available
I was wrong about the Fillmore West show being gone. It's still available http://concerts.wolfgangsvault.com/ConcertDetail.aspx?id=1361|4901 here. http://concerts.wolfgangsvault.com/ConcertDetail.aspx?id=1361|4901 Hard to find on the website though. Jim L _ From: Zappa-List@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Central Screw10izer Sent: Friday, December 08, 2006 7:31 PM To: Zappa-List@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Zappa-List] Re: Wolfgang's Vault I do have this show (courtesy of Zappeteers) and have confirmed that it is the same show, but a completely different recording. There is a different balance in the sound (wolfgangs appears better, but it streams at a low bitrate so the flac version could be exceptional. The drop outs aren't the same. On 12/3/06, Dawayne Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] com wrote: --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:Zappa-List%40yahoogroups.com ups.com, Jim L [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I thought I had this in my collection but a quick check shows that I don't have it in the flac section. I do have a few other shows somewhere that are in audio CD format only. I'll have to do some digging and check them. Either way it's possible that Wolfgang's source tapes are better than and possibly different than what's been circulating. Jim L Thanks Jim and Glen. The quality of the Wolfgang's Vault recording is very nice. Have any of you checked out any of their other concerts that you can record on your computer? It's an amazing source for free shows: http://concerts. http://concerts.wolfgangsvault.com/Artists.aspx?s=a wolfgangsvault.com/Artists.aspx?s=a
RE: [Zappa-List] Re: Wolfgang's Vault
They say downloads are coming but some details still need worked out. It also says they've transferred the well preserved tapes to the highest quality digital formats. I can only hope they will offer downloads in flac or an equivalent format then. I can't find the Zappa concert today so I guess it rotated out. I'm listening to a Black Sabbath concert from 1975 just now. Brings back some old memories cause I always went to see them back then when they came to town back then. Anyway I'm hopeful that downloads of a few Zappa shows among others will be available soon. Jim L _ From: Zappa-List@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Central Screw10izer Sent: Friday, December 08, 2006 7:31 PM To: Zappa-List@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Zappa-List] Re: Wolfgang's Vault I do have this show (courtesy of Zappeteers) and have confirmed that it is the same show, but a completely different recording. There is a different balance in the sound (wolfgangs appears better, but it streams at a low bitrate so the flac version could be exceptional. The drop outs aren't the same. On 12/3/06, Dawayne Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] com wrote: --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:Zappa-List%40yahoogroups.com ups.com, Jim L [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I thought I had this in my collection but a quick check shows that I don't have it in the flac section. I do have a few other shows somewhere that are in audio CD format only. I'll have to do some digging and check them. Either way it's possible that Wolfgang's source tapes are better than and possibly different than what's been circulating. Jim L Thanks Jim and Glen. The quality of the Wolfgang's Vault recording is very nice. Have any of you checked out any of their other concerts that you can record on your computer? It's an amazing source for free shows: http://concerts. http://concerts.wolfgangsvault.com/Artists.aspx?s=a wolfgangsvault.com/Artists.aspx?s=a
Re: [Zappa-List] Re: Wolfgang's Vault - Fillmore West still available
I listened to this show again last night - This is a good recording. Hope it does become available, at some point. John K -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Zappa-List@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sat, 9 Dec 2006 6:35 AM Subject: RE: [Zappa-List] Re: Wolfgang's Vault - Fillmore West still available I was wrong about the Fillmore West show being gone. It’s still available here. http://concerts.wolfgangsvault.com/ConcertDetail.aspx?id=1361|4901 Hard to find on the website though. Jim L From: Zappa-List@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Central Screw10izer Sent: Friday, December 08, 2006 7:31 PM To: Zappa-List@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Zappa-List] Re: Wolfgang's Vault I do have this show (courtesy of Zappeteers) and have confirmed that it is the same show, but a completely different recording. There is a different balance in the sound (wolfgangs appears better, but it streams at a low bitrate so the flac version could be exceptional. The drop outs aren't the same. On 12/3/06, Dawayne Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In Zappa-List@yahoogroups.com, Jim L [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I thought I had this in my collection but a quick check shows that I don't have it in the flac section. I do have a few other shows somewhere that are in audio CD format only. I'll have to do some digging and check them. Either way it's possible that Wolfgang's source tapes are better than and possibly different than what's been circulating. Jim L Thanks Jim and Glen. The quality of the Wolfgang's Vault recording is very nice. Have any of you checked out any of their other concerts that you can record on your computer? It's an amazing source for free shows: http://concerts.wolfgangsvault.com/Artists.aspx?s=a Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across the web, free AOL Mail and more.
Re: [Zappa-List] Re: Wolfgang's Vault
I do have this show (courtesy of Zappeteers) and have confirmed that it is the same show, but a completely different recording. There is a different balance in the sound (wolfgangs appears better, but it streams at a low bitrate so the flac version could be exceptional. The drop outs aren't the same. On 12/3/06, Dawayne Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In Zappa-List@yahoogroups.com Zappa-List%40yahoogroups.com, Jim L [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I thought I had this in my collection but a quick check shows that I don't have it in the flac section. I do have a few other shows somewhere that are in audio CD format only. I'll have to do some digging and check them. Either way it's possible that Wolfgang's source tapes are better than and possibly different than what's been circulating. Jim L Thanks Jim and Glen. The quality of the Wolfgang's Vault recording is very nice. Have any of you checked out any of their other concerts that you can record on your computer? It's an amazing source for free shows: http://concerts.wolfgangsvault.com/Artists.aspx?s=a
RE: [Zappa-List] Re: Wolfgang's Vault
I thought I had this in my collection but a quick check shows that I don't have it in the flac section. I do have a few other shows somewhere that are in audio CD format only. I'll have to do some digging and check them. Either way it's possible that Wolfgang's source tapes are better than and possibly different than what's been circulating. Jim L _ From: Zappa-List@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Glen Young Sent: Saturday, December 02, 2006 1:30 AM To: Zappa-List@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Zappa-List] Re: Wolfgang's Vault Dawayne wondered Thank you for that info. Much appreciated. I am still wondering though, it this recording currently in circulation in the FZ trading community? I just checked the FZ shows database and it's listed as circulating as a 62m sbd in A- quality,and it also says the first 20m circulate under a different date (24/6/70), If you're not familiar with the site I'm talking about just google for FZ shows and it will come right up. Cheers, Glen in Bristol,England.
Re: [Zappa-List] Re: Wolfgang's Vault
One minor detail about the Filmore West recording. I was at this show and it was Jeff Simmons on bass(and Asian vocal character on Have Gun Will Travel) not Jim Pons. This was before the movie 200 Motels when Jeff left the band. rh - Original Message - From: Dawayne Bailey To: Zappa-List@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2006 11:20 PM Subject: [Zappa-List] Re: Wolfgang's Vault Now streaming complete shows including Zappa 11/06/70 Fillmore West. 15 tracks - 63 minutes of an unheard Mothers show - Friday Nov. 6, 1970 http://concerts.wolfgangsvault.com/ConcertDetail.aspx?id=1361|4901 - - - - - - George Duke - keyboards Aynsley Dunbar - drums Howard Kaylan - vocals Jim Pons - bass Mark Volman - vocals Frank Zappa - guitar, vocals Like a tidal wave of total weirdness, the Mothers of Invention splashed down on the Fillmore West for a series of shows in November of 1970 before washing back into the seedy ocean of L.A., leaving the landscape forever changed (or at least confused and offended). Not to be outdone by the art school drop-outs and buck-skin fringe contingent then wandering the Sunset Strip, Frank Zappa had been steadily releasing incredibly strange records since the mid-`60s. He abandoned the original Mothers at the close of that decade, only to reform a different line-up under the same name in 1970, this time including two members of the Turtles, Howard Kaylan and Mark Volman (sometimes known as Flo Eddie due to contractual problems), to help with Frank's increasingly bizarre comedy routines and, almost incidentally, singing. The opening set by Boz Scaggs couldn't possibly have prepared anyone for what was going to occur that night at the corner of Van Ness and Market, though it did prove that Bill Graham had a pretty good sense of humor. Eager to try out material from the upcoming 200 Motels film and accompanying album, the Mothers don't move in any one direction for too long; sometimes it's as if they're moving in all directions at once. There are hints of jazz-fusion and psychedelia, along with Zappa's beloved doo-wop. They even make a brief stab at the Turtles' Happy Together as part of the groupie-baiting sleaze-fest Daddy, Daddy, Daddy. This is a limber bunch, but they're at their best when playing it straight (Call Any Vegetable from Absolutely Free is a prime example). Some songs are derailed by excessive hollering and dialogue, the delivery of which suggests the performers are nearly as bored as the audience they're baffling. Provoking the crowd, however, is part of the plan and listening to Frank scold them for their indifference is highly satisfying for anyone who's ever stood under stage lights. An appreciation for this performance depends entirely on one's threshold for long and noodly instrumental explorations accented by dick jokes. But it can safely be said that no one else was doing anything quite like this at the time. During an age of weird, Frank Zappa had the distinction of being the unparalleled weirdest. For further Z-related fun, please visit http://www.thebignote.com or http://www.killuglyradio.com , thank you. Yahoo! Groups Links Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. http://new.mail.yahoo.com For further Z-related fun, please visit http://www.thebignote.com or http://www.killuglyradio.com , thank you. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zappa-List/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zappa-List/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Zappa-List] Re: Wolfgang's Vault
Yeah, I thought so, Rog.I was listening to this show last night, and I thought I heard either Mark or Howard say Jeff, not Jim. John K In a message dated 12/1/2006 9:12:32 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: One minor detail about the Filmore West recording. I was at this show and it was Jeff Simmons on bass(and Asian vocal character on Have Gun Will Travel) not Jim Pons. This was before the movie 200 Motels when Jeff left the band. rh - Original Message - From: Dawayne Bailey To: Zappa-List@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2006 11:20 PM Subject: [Zappa-List] Re: Wolfgang's Vault Now streaming complete shows including Zappa 11/06/70 Fillmore West. 15 tracks - 63 minutes of an unheard Mothers show - Friday Nov. 6, 1970 http://concerts.wolfgangsvault.com/ConcertDetail.aspx?id=1361|4901 - - - - - - George Duke - keyboards Aynsley Dunbar - drums Howard Kaylan - vocals Jim Pons - bass Mark Volman - vocals Frank Zappa - guitar, vocals Like a tidal wave of total weirdness, the Mothers of Invention splashed down on the Fillmore West for a series of shows in November of 1970 before washing back into the seedy ocean of L.A., leaving the landscape forever changed (or at least confused and offended). Not to be outdone by the art school drop-outs and buck-skin fringe contingent then wandering the Sunset Strip, Frank Zappa had been steadily releasing incredibly strange records since the mid-`60s. He abandoned the original Mothers at the close of that decade, only to reform a different line-up under the same name in 1970, this time including two members of the Turtles, Howard Kaylan and Mark Volman (sometimes known as Flo Eddie due to contractual problems), to help with Frank's increasingly bizarre comedy routines and, almost incidentally, singing. The opening set by Boz Scaggs couldn't possibly have prepared anyone for what was going to occur that night at the corner of Van Ness and Market, though it did prove that Bill Graham had a pretty good sense of humor. Eager to try out material from the upcoming 200 Motels film and accompanying album, the Mothers don't move in any one direction for too long; sometimes it's as if they're moving in all directions at once. There are hints of jazz-fusion and psychedelia, along with Zappa's beloved doo-wop. They even make a brief stab at the Turtles' Happy Together as part of the groupie-baiting sleaze-fest Daddy, Daddy, Daddy. This is a limber bunch, but they're at their best when playing it straight (Call Any Vegetable from Absolutely Free is a prime example). Some songs are derailed by excessive hollering and dialogue, the delivery of which suggests the performers are nearly as bored as the audience they're baffling. Provoking the crowd, however, is part of the plan and listening to Frank scold them for their indifference is highly satisfying for anyone who's ever stood under stage lights. An appreciation for this performance depends entirely on one's threshold for long and noodly instrumental explorations accented by dick jokes. But it can safely be said that no one else was doing anything quite like this at the time. During an age of weird, Frank Zappa had the distinction of being the unparalleled weirdest. For further Z-related fun, please visit http://www.thebignote.com or http://www.killuglyradio.com , thank you. Yahoo! Groups Links __ __ Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. http://new.mail.yahoo.com For further Z-related fun, please visit http://www.thebignote.com or http://www.killuglyradio.com , thank you. Yahoo! Groups Links
Re: [Zappa-List] Re: Wolfgang's Vault
Dawayne wondered Thank you for that info. Much appreciated. I am still wondering though, it this recording currently in circulation in the FZ trading community? I just checked the FZ shows database and it's listed as circulating as a 62m sbd in A- quality,and it also says the first 20m circulate under a different date (24/6/70), If you're not familiar with the site I'm talking about just google for FZ shows and it will come right up. Cheers, Glen in Bristol,England. For further Z-related fun, please visit http://www.thebignote.com or http://www.killuglyradio.com , thank you. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zappa-List/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zappa-List/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
