Brett,
I completely agree. Something did occur to me as I read your post. I think
its the attachment to a book or teacher or lineage or whatever, that can bring
the division. My experience and observations tell me that most do begin their
journey by doing some reading, meeting with a
K Wrote:
Should zennists, (or any spiritual practitioner), get off their butts, and
practise what they preach? Is there not a certain self-righteousness in
believing that the chants of unity and oneness, and purity of heart while
sitting zazen, the ultimate expression of self-focus?.
I
Bill,
o zen = 'direct experience of reality'
o To realize direct experience of reality, one practices shikantaza
o With this practice, and without heeding any other of the Buddha's
teachings, one can eventually realize one's True Nature (or Buddha
Nature)
o Zen (or Zen Buddhism) =
What is truth asked jesting Pilate and he did not wait for an answer.
--Sir Francis Bacon
John chapter 18, verse 38 of the Gospel of John, is often referred to as
jesting Pilate or Truth? What is truth?, of Latin: Quid est
veritas?. In it, Pontius Pilate questions Jesus' claim that
Hi Anil,
There will be many people in our school be interested in getting a copy
of your book.
When do you plan to publish it?
We also have publishing house in Taiwan, if you are interested to
publish it in Chinese.
Additionally, we have many professors in similar field, who could help,
It's only going to be an article for a popular science magazine like New
Scientist or Scientific American-nothing very dazzling I can assure you.
I'm still collecting data and I'll get to writing something when the
academic year is over and I have so time to think about it.
In the meantime,
Makya,
It is precisely my direct experience that brings me to this. I studied
from very insightful and wise teachers. But there's an old saying.. Those
who can--do. Those who can't--teach. Yes-- there is a lot of
self-righteousness in zen and other communities. There is some here.
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Anil Sahal A.Sahal@... wrote:
I first became interested in meditation and brain whilst attending the
'Neuroscience' conference in San Fransisco as few years ago in which the
Dalai Lama was the key note speaker and offered us, with a big grin, the
use of
Got me thinking on that one Ed.
Brett
http://www.pbase.com/brett1963
--- On Mon, 1/24/11, ED seacrofter...@yahoo.com wrote:
From: ED seacrofter...@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: [Zen] Is Chan Buddhist?
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, January 24, 2011, 6:28 AM
What is
Kristy,
Thank you for your insight. I feel books and people are a part of my learning
experience here in life, but I also believe that true enlightenment comes from
with in. As far as getting off our butts and doing something to help other in
need goes, I also believe that the insight that
Thanks K. Paste the children link if you wish to do so. Caring for the
wellbeing of all life is very rewarding. Very glad of hearing at your
enthusiasm and humanitarian intentions. I used to be in togetherness with one
of my sisters and a friend amongst the supporters and sponsors of the
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Brett Corbin brettalancorbin@... wrote:
Hi Steve,
I think how I would answer that, is both.
Brett
http://www.pbase.com/brett1963
Hi Brett. Good answer, imo.
Steve
Current Book Discussion: any Zen
Hi Anil. Thank you. One more good reason to meditate! Say, in your opinion,
is the relationship between brain area activations and states of
consciousness causal or correlative?
There's insufficient data for a meaningful answer. We have NO idea what
consciousness is-we can't even agree on a
Before I started practicing meditation, I had hard time dealing with problems
in my life. The problem, what ever they were, would run through my mind over
and over again, and I would talk about it over and over again. People would
tell me to not let it get to me so much, and just let it go,
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, A Sahal A.Sahal@... wrote:
Hi Anil. Thank you. One more good reason to meditate! Say, in your
opinion,
is the relationship between brain area activations and states of
consciousness causal or correlative?
There's insufficient data for a
Hi Tao Mountain Sage,
Chan itself does not have a practice. Chan by itself is just another
name for the truth of the universe, where people been seeking through
many different paths, some religious, some scientific and some
philosophical.
My teacher has only illustrated the Nature of Chan
Thank you for your quick response, Anil.
Please do send us whatever is convenient for you for our archive, when
you are ready.
Thanks,
JM
Be Enlightened In This Life - We ALL Can
http://chanjmjm.blogspot.com
http://www.heartchan.org
On 1/24/2011 8:12 AM, Anil Sahal wrote:
It's only going
Bill/ED,
There is no denying that the present forms of zen (Soto, Rinzai etc) developed
from mahayana Buddhism. The 'jhana' practice before Buddhism can be traced to
early Hinduism. In China, Laozi was approximately contemporary of Sakyamuni. So
earlier than Hinduism (Brahmaism), we can only
JMJM,
You say: Chan has been in China far longer than Shakymuni.
Please present proof.
Anthony
--- On Mon, 24/1/11, Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明 chan.j...@gmail.com wrote:
From: Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明 chan.j...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [Zen] Is Chan Buddhist?
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
ED,
My imput:
To realize direct experience of reality, one practice shikantaza with clear
mind (not with day dreaming), or do a koan and get 30 beatings.
Anthony
--- On Mon, 24/1/11, ED seacrofter...@yahoo.com wrote:
From: ED seacrofter...@yahoo.com
Subject: [Zen] Re: Meditation Problem
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Brett Corbin brettalancorbin@... wrote:
Before I started practicing meditation, I had hard time dealing with problems
in my life. The problem, what ever they were, would run through my mind over
and over again, and I would talk about it over and over
Thank you Steve, I liked that story very much, and see a lot of truth in it.
Brett
http://www.pbase.com/brett1963
--- On Mon, 1/24/11, SteveW eugnostos2...@yahoo.com wrote:
From: SteveW eugnostos2...@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: [Zen] Is Chan Buddhist?
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday,
JMJM,
You say:
My Teacher, enlightened Chan Master WuJue MiaoTian is the 85th Patriarch since
Shakyamuni, 58th since BodhiDharma and 48th of LinJie. I am the Head Teacher
of the 86th generations.
The lineages are impressive. But what do you have in common with Sakyamuni and
Bodhidharma or
Anthony,
Please translate the book I emailed to you from Chinese into English and
post to this question of yours for the benefit of the group.
Then you can either accept this version or reject it. The choice is
yours. I do like to recommend to you, please be detached from all
forms,
Dear Anthony,
The truth is not in words. Buddha said that. Chan is taught without
words. Buddha said that.
Chan is an experience. Diamond Sutra stated very clearly, All
describable dharma is not it.
Chan is the universe is the closest that my witness is. Additonally,
witness Chan is
JMJM,
As long as you don't shut up, I will continue to talk. Your words are full of
discrepencies. But who cares? Mao Zedong says that without discrepancies there
is no life.
Thank you for giving us a lot of fun. Lets both enjoy it.
Anthony
--- On Tue, 25/1/11, Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明
JMJM,
You say, Just ignore me.
No, I can't ignore you.
Anthony
--- On Tue, 25/1/11, Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明 chan.j...@gmail.com wrote:
From: Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明 chan.j...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [Zen] Is Chan Buddhist?
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, 25 January, 2011, 7:37
--- On Mon, 24/1/11, Kristy McClain healthypl...@yahoo.com wrote:
K: I think its the attachment to a book or teacher or lineage or whatever, that
can bring the division.
MEL: Yes, that is quiet so. However, I'm quite open about it, but I'm actually
attached to the work ZEN MIND BEGINNER'S
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Mel gunnar19632000@... wrote:
Everyday life is still something I struggle with despite the meditative
practices. Nevertheless, I keep pursuing this path of mine
Hi Mel. What do you struggle with, if I may ask?
Steve
--- On Tue, 25/1/11, SteveW eugnostos2...@yahoo.com wrote:
All Buddhas and all sentient beings are no different from the One Mind. In
this One Mind there is neither arising nor ceasing, no name or form, no long or
short, no large or small, and neither existence nor non-existence. It
Hello Anthony
First of all, I'd like to thank you for all your postings. I'm learning quite a
lot from you. However, a question please...do you think it matters whether Zen
as a belief, is Buddhist or not? What's your opinion please
in peace
Mel
--- On Tue, 25/1/11, Anthony Wu
Hello Steve
I'm struggling with keeping my practise pure. I take part in zazen practise and
read/study ZEN MIND BEGINNERS MIND, and yet I make myself impure by
- having so much desire for junk food and other material things
- not working hard enough on my OCD problem
- wordlessly
Mel,
Sorry to butt in. I am surprised you also have OCD. Looking at myself, I cannot
help recognizing my own OCD.
As regards struggling with impurities, why make ourselves unhappy with them?
Tantra has a way of 'turning the impure into the pure'. For instance, they use
a sex ritual to
Mel,
I don't really care whether zen is Buddhist or not. However, one should
appreciate Buddhism as the origin of the present day zen. Jusus or Mohamed did
not initiate it, didn't they?
Anthony
--- On Tue, 25/1/11, Mel gunnar19632...@yahoo.com.au wrote:
From: Mel
Anthony,
According to Dr. James Austin in his book 'Zen-Brain Reflections', the
Jhana states are encountered immediately prior to the states of
kensho-satori.
--ED
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Anthony Wu wuasg@... wrote:
Bill/ED,
There is no denying that the present forms of zen
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Mel gunnar19632000@... wrote:
Hello Steve
Â
I'm struggling with keeping my practise pure. I take part in zazen practise
and read/study ZEN MIND BEGINNERS MIND, and yet I make myself impure by
Â
- having so much desire for junk food and other
ED,
As usual with your posts no corrections (inserting my opinions) are
neccessary, but I will add a few unnecessary comments:
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, ED seacrofter001@... wrote:
Bill,
o zen = 'direct experience of reality'
o To realize direct experience of reality, one
Brett,
Stop thinking and sit (zazen)...Bill!
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Brett Corbin brettalancorbin@... wrote:
Got me thinking on that one Ed.
Brett
http://www.pbase.com/brett1963
--- On Mon, 1/24/11, ED seacrofter001@... wrote:
From: ED seacrofter001@...
Subject: Re:
Uh-oh! I think I feel a post from Ed (not ED) coming on...Bill!
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, A Sahal A.Sahal@... wrote:
Hi Anil. Thank you. One more good reason to meditate! Say, in your
opinion,
is the relationship between brain area activations and states of
consciousness
JMJM- can you tell us how Chan Buddhism and Zen Buddhism are
different.thanksDeborah
taomtnsa...@yahoo.com
From: Deborah Mingins taomtnsa...@yahoo.com
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon, January 24, 2011 3:58:42 PM
Subject: Re: [Zen] Is Chan
Anthony,
As you probably know by now I 'shoot from the hip', which means I claim
things without having a lot of backup or proof for them.
By 'cultures far removed from India' I mean northern Europe and all the
New World (North and South America). I have read mystical teachings
from cultures
Anthony, When getting a beating if you practiced shikanta-ouch! you could
experience Buddha Nature.
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Anthony Wu wuasg@... wrote:
ED,
Â
My imput:
Â
To realize direct experience of reality, one practice shikantaza with clear
mind (not with day dreaming),
Hi Deborah,
Thank you for the question. I don't know Zen Buddhism enough to compare
in detail. In words, I seem to sense that Chan and Zen are rather
similar. The difference I noticed could be in the practice, such as
some of the following:
Chan sit with eyes fully closed. Zen with half
Bill, what 'consciousness'? --ED
Related phrases: stream of consciousness
http://www.google.com/search?hl=enq=define:stream+of+consciousnessdef\
l=ensa=Xei=bnQ-TY3YIZL4swOpvKHsBAved=0CAQQowMoAAself
consciousness
http://www.google.com/search?hl=enq=define:self+consciousnessdefl=en\
Deborah and JMJM,
I'll insert my comments about what I was taught in my Japanese Zen
Buddhist training:
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Jue Miao Jing Ming -
覺å¦ç²¾æ chan.jmjm@... wrote:
Hi Deborah,
Thank you for the question. I don't know Zen Buddhism enough to
compare
in detail.
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