Re: [Zen] truth is beauty

2012-12-01 Thread Edgar Owen
Bill, With regards to a wood stove in particular it's all of the below.. Edgar On Nov 30, 2012, at 10:45 PM, Bill! wrote: Joe, and also RAF and Edgar... So are your efforts to be able to produce your own electricity based on a desire for: complete self-sufficiency (as in

Re: [Zen] truth is beauty

2012-12-01 Thread Edgar Owen
RAF, I think Bill and I both agree with you here. I do. What I mean to convey is that all reality itself is Buddha Nature (what I call 'ontological energy', the reality of existence, and which others call Tao) has existed since the beginning. Siddhartha just discovered or realized what had

Re: [Zen] truth is beauty

2012-12-01 Thread Bill!
Edgar, It rarely gets below 10C (50F) even at night. Heat is the main problem. It does get in excess of 40C (104F) regularly. ...Bill! --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Edgar Owen edgarowen@... wrote: Bill, PS, of course you aren't faced with the problem of cold weather where you are.

Re: [Zen] truth is beauty

2012-12-01 Thread Edgar Owen
Joe, Yes, a wonderful and powerful image which has been largely lost in modern society... Edgar On Nov 30, 2012, at 11:45 PM, Joe wrote: RAF, I think the connectedness we enjoy on sesshin -- which means joining the mind, or sharing the mind -- is what was the norm when small

Re: [Zen] truth is beauty

2012-12-01 Thread Edgar Owen
Bill, Very strange. I do essentially agree with everything in your post below except the last part where you condemn me for NOT AGREEING WITH IT! :-) I can only conclude you still don't realize what I'm saying Edgar On Nov 30, 2012, at 11:59 PM, Bill! wrote: RAF, You have now

Re: [Zen] truth is beauty

2012-12-01 Thread mike brown
I agree, It is a powerful image and one that feels instinctively so familiar. I can also visualise a cave scene, such as the one mentioned, where one of the members lets one rip and you can just hear the muffled sniggers of the others. I guess that says a lot about me. Mike --- On Sun,

Re: [Zen] truth is beauty

2012-12-01 Thread Joe
Edgar, Yes sir. Some work so that this is never lost. I believe this is the most important thing in the world. Funny! --Joe Edgar Owen edgarowen@... wrote: Joe, Yes, a wonderful and powerful image which has been largely lost in modern society... Edgar On Nov 30, 2012, at 11:45

Re: [Zen] truth is beauty

2012-12-01 Thread R A Fonda
On 11/30/2012 11:45 PM, Joe wrote: The golden glow of the low cook-fire; the golden light of Samadhi. The identity of the Community and its lineage, and its storehouse of wisdom and stories. It goes 'way back. This is no modern Invention. I sense that we are all on the same page about this.

Re: [Zen] truth is beauty

2012-12-01 Thread Joe
Mike, My old tai chi teacher Da Liu (1902-2000) always began each class with his doing the form. He'd say, I *DO*, you WATCH. It was a nice organic phrase, and could as well have been one word, in some language. We came to understand it as such. During his playing of the form, Da Liu

Re: [Zen] truth is beauty

2012-12-01 Thread Joe
RAF, There's no sloppiness of any kind, when one is sharing one's heart, and I thank you for it. Our topic is deep and fundamental. And hard to get at. Or is it? --Joe R A Fonda rafonda@... wrote: On 11/30/2012 11:45 PM, Joe wrote: The golden glow of the low cook-fire; the golden light

Re: [Zen] truth is beauty

2012-12-01 Thread Edgar Owen
RAF, Excellent thought and poetry. That in fact is one of the reasons I love my wood stove so much. Controlled fire is a wonderful living force at the center of human civilization and you say may well have been central to the evolution of human consciousness.. Edgar On Dec 1, 2012, at 10:06

Re: [Zen] truth is beauty

2012-12-01 Thread R A Fonda
On 12/1/2012 7:53 AM, Edgar Owen wrote: I'm surprised you don't have a wood stove instead of a fireplace with a blower. We live in a poorly designed faux-chalet that was built by the previous owner, and have just made-do all these years as first we hung on working in a hard-scrabble

Re: [Zen] truth is beauty

2012-12-01 Thread Joe
Bill!, In my far-flung time-zone last night, I was fading, and you were still Bright and Smart. I think you may be encapsulating in your poem for me the concern I showed for that static fellow at the top of the 100-foot pole. Is that correct? I've had about 8 hours now of relative

Re: [Zen] truth is beauty

2012-12-01 Thread mike brown
Joe, Typical! I make a fart gag and you turn it into something deep and meaningful. I can see we`re (flag) poles apart! Still, on a more serious EP note, ; I wonder what epoch it was when primitive man first began sniggering at farts and what effect this had on the development of our

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2012-12-01 Thread Merle Lester
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Re: [Zen] truth is beauty

2012-12-01 Thread Joe
Mike, Well, I just wondered myself -- questioned -- whether the cave people might not have an overall different mentality from people raised in modern times and with probably different norms of behavior in the group. And I thought of how I''d heard that in China, after a good meal where one

Re: [Zen] truth is beauty

2012-12-01 Thread Bill!
Edgar, I've been thinking for a long time that our seeming differences were only semantic or at least not fundamental. Maybe there's hope for us yet! ...Bill! --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Edgar Owen edgarowen@... wrote: Bill, Very strange. I do essentially agree with everything in

Re: [Zen] truth is beauty

2012-12-01 Thread Bill!
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, R A Fonda rafonda@... wrote: In the darkness of mind before the word or concept Fire awakened us In the mind's darkness, Before the word or concept, Coffee woke me up. ...Bill! Current Book Discussion: any Zen

[Zen] Where is Bill!?

2012-12-01 Thread Bill!
All - 1, I'll be offline for at least a day and maybe as many as three. I'll leave you in Co-Moderator Edgar's post-Sandy capable hands. Y'all be good now, ya' hear? ...Bill! Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are