RE: [Zen] D.L. Again
MJMJ, Thanks for your thoughtful post. You documented many things about DL I didn’t know – like his announcement that, as you wrote, “…he would not be reincarnated”. What do you think he meant by that? Do you think he meant that he, as the personage of Dali Lama, would not be reincarnated? Do you think that he meant that he himself would not be reincarnated? If he meant this it would seem to go against Buddhist teachings. Zen might allow for that if DL was fully enlightened and as a result no longer subject to karma and the cycle of life and death. I don’t know what the traditional Buddhist teaching is on that. I’d be interested in your thoughts on this. Oh yes, I almost forgot – are you married? Do you think we could meet in a coffee shop somewhere to get to know each other better? I’m a Capricorn. What’s your sign? Thanks…Bill! From: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jue Miao Jing Ming - Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2008 8:19 AM To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Zen] D.L. Again What I have learned about Chan is to be synced with the life force and wisdom at all time and be detached from all forms. Or in our every day language, live with our best foot forward without expectation, agenda, objective, etc. Based on this perspective, though still partial once expressed in language . Dalai Lama was carried out to protect the linage. D.L was brought up to lead, guide, broadcast, teach whatever he was capable of, educated with, felt inside, or believed in strongly. Now that he is aging. His rinpoches are teaching world wide. He has met every leader in the world that he could. He has also now realized that his insistence that he will be reincarnated again will only divide his people more. And even perhaps cause more suffering. He realized also perhaps that his mission in this life is to bring Tibetanism to the rest of the world instead of just in Tibet. As you know, he announced that he will not be reincarnated again. I have thumb through a book published in Taiwan, by someone who interviewed D.L extensively on this decision of his. It was complex, forward looking, as well as spiritual with some political points of view. In all, what i have learned about D.L. was he did what he could at every moment. That is in line what I have learned. I can not say that I am correct. I can only say, no one should make quick judgment on anyone else. We are all here with a mission. Each of us is different. _/\_ JM __ NOD32 2880 (20080215) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com image001.jpgimage002.jpg
Re: [Zen] D.L. Again
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Cynth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ew...there's something unsavory about getting a pickup line from someone in an email group, especially in the middle of a debate. Cynth My point exactly! It's the old 'hold up a mirror to show you what you are doing' trick. My last paragraph in my most recent post was mocking the recent reparte between you and Al and Charlie and Dawn. ...Bill! Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today! Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [Zen] D.L. Again
Cynth, Yeah.I noticed that both you and Dawn were not too receptive, but I couldn't resist that little jab; and I've exchanged posts with JHJH enough to know he wouldn't take it seriously. I'm glad to see you participating on the forum. I hope we can revive it with some serious zen-oriented discussions - or even not so serious zen-oriented discussions. The key here is 'zen-oriented'. Where is Jarvis when we need him? .Bill! From: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Cynth Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2008 12:17 PM To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Zen] D.L. Again Damn! Hoisted by my own petard. How dre you?!? Seriously, though, I was trying to give him the brush-off and he would not stop bugging me. I did not want to play the I'm a mom card, but that was about all I was left to do. Cynth Bill Smart wrote: --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com, Cynth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ew...there's something unsavory about getting a pickup line from someone in an email group, especially in the middle of a debate. Cynth My point exactly! It's the old 'hold up a mirror to show you what you are doing' trick. My last paragraph in my most recent post was mocking the recent reparte between you and Al and Charlie and Dawn. ...Bill! __ NOD32 2880 (20080215) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com
Re: SV: RE: [Zen] Re: D.L.
! ...Bill! --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ps.com, mike brown uerusuboyo@ ... wrote: I think your opinion is very well put, but in response to Bill's assertion that what has the political situation in Tibet got to with Zen I would say that everything we do as members of a society has political ramifications. Even if we do nothing, claiming to be apolitical, we still end up unwittingly supporting the status quo. Further, what about the vows repeated daily in Zen temples everywhere to save countless beings? Could it be argued that by doing nothing to help people practice freedom of religion (in this case towards Enlightenment) against state control we might pave the way for state control of religion (or individual practice of that religion) in countries where Zen itself is practiced? Again, everything we do (or not do), is political. _ _ _ _ _ _ Yahoo! Answers - Got a question? Someone out there knows the answer. Try it now. http://uk.answers. yahoo.com/ Sent from Yahoo! - a smarter inbox. __ NOD32 2877 (20080215) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset. com __ Sent from Yahoo! Mail - a smarter inbox http://uk.mail.yahoo.com
